[Midnight Star]

Ok in sitting here reading over a few things it has become common knowedge that Tidus was pulled to Spira by Sin in order to basically "kill Jecht" and help the Aeons quit their endless dreaming.

Now, if Jecht was Sin, and Sin can travel through time. How do you suppose that Jecht got to Spira to start with?

We know the Aeons can travel through time, they did in fact appear at Zanarkand. But do they possess the power to actually pull others from it? Was it an attack by Sin that pulled Jecht? Was it the Aeons? Or was it his not so good looks?

The game never really explained this so I'm kind of curious as to what everyone else thinks about it.

[Xerno]

Final Fantasy games often seem to like leaving certain things up to the players' imagination. I guess this is another one of those things.

Personally, I'd say it was just the previous Sin that pulled Jecht into reality (aka Spira). Tidus did say Jecht went out to sea for training, but never came back. And where there's sea, there's Sin. It shouldn't be a problem for (any) Sin to make it into the Aeons' dream world, as it's an Aeon of sorts itself, Yu Yevon's nasty summon pet. =p

[Final Fantasist]

well, like xerno said, any Sin could do that, if Jecht could do it, then any Sin could do it too.

We can only speculate. we can speculate, that not only Jecht and Tidus were sucked into Spira by previous Sins. How can we know for sure if they were the only ones? Maybe there were others like Jecht, that were sucked into Spira by the current Sin, but weren't able to defeat it completelly, becomig Sin instead, and this cicle went on and on until Tidus came and beat it, without using the Final Summoning.

Only specultaion though ^^

[Zefie]

Ok, yes. Where there's sea there's Sin. That's been said and I agree with it. And I also agree with the fact that we don't know for sure how many 'Sins' have been pulled into Spira from other time periods. Something 1 of my pals said is that he thinks Jecht 'made' or was the first Sin. He thinks that when Jecht left, he didn't like something about the way the world was working, or something with the machines, so he did something to try and change it. That something went wrong and so Jecht became Sin. It would explain the whole time thing, but I dunno....

I think that mabye, the ones who get 'chosen' to try and deaft Sin (and end up becomming Sin) are linked somehow. I just can't think of how though. Unlesas it was a thing with blood. Like how Jecht chose Tidus, maybe Jecht's dad chose him or something like that....I mean, the gamre never really does say how Jecht became Sin. Atleast not at the point i'm at lol. Or else it's like the 1 guy said, and this is just something meant to be left to our imaginations....

[Raincoat]

Wasn't Zanarkand the first place to be destroyed by Sin 1,000 years ago? Hmm, if that's true, then Tidus was possibly taken by the first one. But then how did Jecht dissapear?

Yes, this is probably something they left for you to decide. Or, make you nuts trying to figure it out. Or dizzy. Something.

[Final Fantasist]

I mean, the gamre never really does say how Jecht became Sin. Atleast not at the point i'm at lol.

That's the key sentence in your whole post. You'll understand how Jecht became Sin late in the game, i'm not gonna say it cause i don't wanna spoil you =p

Wasn't Zanarkand the first place to be destroyed by Sin 1,000 years ago? Hmm, if that's true, then Tidus was possibly taken by the first one. But then how did Jecht dissapear?

Hmm, i don't think so. If you remember before Sin brings Tidus to Spira, Auron says to Sin: "Are you sure?" Also in the game you see that Jecht made Auron promise then when the time had come that he would take care of his son Tidus.

At this time he already knows what is going to happen. When he comes to Zanarkand, and i'm sure it's Jecht as Sin, Auron knows that the time is now and so he brings Tidus to Jecht, ence Sin, that brings Tidus to Spira.

Hope i didn't spoil anyone =p

[corydroid]

Hmmm, there seems to be a good deal of confusion on this issue. First of all, Dream Zanarkand exists in Spira. Zanarkand is being dreamed by the fayth and summoned into reality by Yu Yevon. Zanarkand and all it's inhabitants exists and one giant aeon. It's all in the game.

Sin doesn't need to travel trough time or into any methphysical reality to get Tidus- Tidus was in Spira all along.

If anyone wants me to elaborate, I will.

[Seluna]

So basically Tidus and Jecht were like Aeons as in they were dreams of the Fayths? Then they were sort of dreamt out of the gigantic dream called Zanarkand, making them more than just bits of Zanarkand but as entities like Aeons? Then Jecht went and became an Aeon and got infected by Yu Yevon's curse turning him into Sin which is also a dream? The dream Zanarkand seems like a parallel dimension to Spira, if Auron can travel to and from it. I'm assuming that either he can do it because of his 'special status' (which is a spoiler to those who haven't reach a certain part of the game) or just about anyone can do it if they just try?

Dreams of the Fayths were tied in with the memories of the past, so there were real living non-dream Tidus and Jecht in the past then? I did not play FFX-2 so I don't know about what is revealed by it.

[corydroid]

Basically, yes. However, "aeon" may not be the best way to say it. Given that aeons were just beast tools utilized by characters throughout the game, it's better to say that Dream Zanarkand is "that which was unreal, made real" through pyreflies.

The Fayth dream up Zanarkand, Yevon summons it. In turn, Yevon as sin insures that he himself nor Dream Zanarkand are ever destroyed by man.

[Athrun]

The Fayth dream up Zanarkand, Yevon summons it. In turn, Yevon as sin insures that he himself nor Dream Zanarkand are ever destroyed by man.

I doubt that's true concidering that Tidus exists even after Sin and Yu Yevon are both long gone. His life never had anything to do with Sin or Yu Yevon. It was in the hands of the Fayth, who after FFX-2 owed Yuna for saving them, and continued to dream of Tidus and brought him back.

But I agree with th the other things you mentioned. Zanarkand was simply a dream world. A dream about a city that existed 1000 years ago. But the Zanarkand where Tidus came from existed somewhere in Spira in the present. Not 1000 years into the past.

Ok in sitting here reading over a few things it has become common knowedge that Tidus was pulled to Spira by Sin in order to basically "kill Jecht" and help the Aeons quit their endless dreaming.

I always thought that Tidus was brought to Spira because Auron made a promise to Jecht. Although it was only a promise to watch over him, Auron did speak to Jecht right before he threw himself and Tidus into Sin and traveled to Spira. And Jecht did say "I'll think of something" in order to break the Sin rebirth cycle, right before he sacrificed himself to become the Final Aeon.

Tidus was important to the Fayth because he had a connection with Jecht, and could communicate with him.
That's why Sin leaves Zanarkand ruins when Tidus asks him for some more time, instead of attacking them.
The Fayth knew about this from the begining. Remember that a Fayth shows up in Zanarkand in the beginnibg of the game and tells Tidus "It's starting" and "Don't cry"? Since Jecht is their dream as well, they most likely know what he was planing.

But how Jecht got to Spira, I have no idea. Maybe it was the doing of the Fayth as well?

[Midnight Star]

Ok in sitting here reading over a few things it has become common knowedge that Tidus was pulled to Spira by Sin in order to basically "kill Jecht" and help the Aeons quit their endless dreaming.

I always thought that Tidus was brought to Spira because Auron made a promise to Jecht. Although it was only a promise to watch over him, Auron did speak to Jecht right before he threw himself and Tidus into Sin and traveled to Spira. And Jecht did say "I'll think of something" in order to break the Sin rebirth cycle, right before he sacrificed himself to become the Final Aeon.

Tidus was important to the Fayth because he had a connection with Jecht, and could communicate with him.
That's why Sin leaves Zanarkand ruins when Tidus asks him for some more time, instead of attacking them.
The Fayth knew about this from the begining. Remember that a Fayth shows up in Zanarkand in the beginnibg of the game and tells Tidus "It's starting" and "Don't cry"? Since Jecht is their dream as well, they most likely know what he was planing.

But how Jecht got to Spira, I have no idea. Maybe it was the doing of the Fayth as well?

Actually it tells you somewhere in the game when Tidus finally realizes that the has to kill Sin and Sin is Jecht. He was pulled in by the Fayth due to the connection. But Jecht also realized that only he could find a way to kill him and not have to use the final summon to do so. He had Auron come to Zanarkand to get Tidus.

The Fayth were aware of this and they kept the dream alive meaning Zanarkand so Tidus could be pulled to Spira to rid the world of Sin, giving them their final resting place. The place where they don't have to dream anymore, which also gave them a reason to keep going. they may have known what he was planning, they also knew that Tidus was their key to end the whole cycle. They were going to use that key no matter what. Although it was Sin who brought him into the world of Spira it was the Fayth who kept him alive..

[corydroid]

I doubt that's true concidering that Tidus exists even after Sin and Yu Yevon are both long gone. His life never had anything to do with Sin or Yu Yevon. It was in the hands of the Fayth, who after FFX-2 owed Yuna for saving them, and continued to dream of Tidus and brought him back.

Tidus disappeared after Sin was destroyed. And perhaps my memory may be jarred but in my reccolection Tidus only appears as a vision in FFX-2. And going by that logic, we could also say that Yuna's parents and Wakka's brother also "exist" in Spira.

Furthermore, if it was all in the Fayth's power, why did they request for Sin to be destroyed to end their dreaming?

This post has been edited by corydroid: 30 December 2005 - 12:40 PM

[Athrun]

Tidus disappeared after Sin was destroyed. And perhaps my memory may be jarred but in my reccolection Tidus only appears as a vision in FFX-2. And going by that logic, we could also say that Yuna's parents and Wakka's brother also "exist" in Spira.

It sounds like you haven't played through all of FFX-2? Because like Advent Children, FFX-2 clears up a few things for the plot of it's prequel.
By playing FFX-2 we do know that it was the Fayth who summoned Tidus and not Yu Yevon.

Because Tidus does not only appear as a vision in the game. The Fayth bring him back and grant him life again in the end, if you get the good ending. Tidus also says that he is worried he might disappear again if the Fayth stop dreaming, but Yuna tells him that that won't happen.

And that's why Tidus didn't disappear as soon as Yu Yevon died in the first game. He faded away as the Fayth stopped the dream, as they said they would as soon as Sin was destroyed. But it didn't happen instantly, and he was able to say goodbye first. If he was summoned by Yu Yevon, you'd think he'd vanish right away like Sin did as the summoner keeping him there no longer exists

I can upload the ending movie for you if you want to see it. I have the Perfect Ending also in Japanese, but I have the translation for it.

Furthermore, if it was all in the Fayth's power, why did they request for Sin to be destroyed to end their dreaming?

Who said it was all the Fayth's power? I said the Dream was created by the Fayth. Sin was summoned by Yu Yevon in the real world and actually destroyed Zanarkand 1000 years ago. Sin is his creation. Jecht is the creation of the Fayth.
Now if they stop the dream, then what little controll they have over Sin will vanish, and he'd become a mindless uncontrollable beast, or simply under Yu Yevon's control.

[Midnight Star]

Furthermore, if it was all in the Fayth's power, why did they request for Sin to be destroyed to end their dreaming?

I think it was Bahamut that tells Tidus around the time that you head to Gagazet that their tired of the dreaming and they just want to stop. They pulled him in to kill Sin so they can be put to rest as well. As long as Sin remains then they have to continue on the dream.