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Posted 25 February 2006 - 08:22 PM

Well, as we've seen, Shion possesses superhuman powers. The surviving the FAE blast, the protection from turning white and shattering to pieces, Nephilim's own remarks that Shion has some prescribed significant destiny, her memory of seeing the Song of Nephilim in her youth, her still even more complicated relationship as the protector of the secret Y Data and a ton of other little things lead to a very probable chance of her being something other than human. The theories provided is that she is a Realian but I have an idea she is somehow like the Gnosis. Gnosis are from another dimension, correct? WHat if Shion is somehow a being from that dimension? I don't know if it was Mizrahi or Nephilim or somehow both effectively made her into the daughter of a man and woman but it seems more impressive than her simply being yet another 'special' Realian on top of MOMO and Caanan.
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Posted 25 February 2006 - 08:32 PM

I think she was born a normal human being. Shion seems to be a normal person on paper, but there's obviously something special about her. I think it's related to her father working for Mizrahi, and what happened to her parents.
She once had a dream of touching the Original Zohar, and a shilouette of chaos appeared behind her. I think those may be memories from her past. And if so, maybe she is the only one who touched Zohar and didn't vanish.

In any case, I think Shion's nature is something we probably wouldn't be able to guess without playing the third episode.
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Posted 25 February 2006 - 09:09 PM

Agreed, but I think Shion's powers are similar, though much weaker, than Chaos'. I remember something in Design Materials that mentioned Chaos can affect Gnosis, because he can also delve into the realm of imaginary numbers. I think Shion has a partial connection to that world as well, though I'm not sure what caused it.

Perhaps Kevin did it to her as a gift while she was sleeping or something?
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 04:48 AM

Yes, we can really only guess so far. There are a few events that might point at her being a Realian (not sure why, but for some reason I doubt she is):

- In Episode II, she calls out to Juli Mizrahi as mother in a brief moment of confusion. I dunno... the woman in the hospital bed does look similar to Juli, but I don't think it's actually her (though it could be, I guess).
- In Episode I, her hands light up in the exact same way as MOMO's when MOMO is detecting the Gnosis (and it happens at the same time as well).

Yet, I'm still expecting all of this to be because of another reason. But Shion is definitely special in some way or another. Perhaps it might have something to do with her pendant (since the Episode III info confirms there's something special about that as well). Either way, this will quite certainly be cleared up in Episode III, gotta wait just a little bit longer. =p
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 03:44 PM

Shion doesn't call out to Juli when she says "Mother" during that scene. It's better to assume she's having memories of her mother.

Juli was saving the life of her... daughter...? MOMO conciders Juli her mother, so yeah, MOMO is like a daughter, especially after all the things Ziggy told her. Anyway, so Shion just remembers her mother.

A woman named... "someweirdnameItotallyforgot Uzuki" was in the database of Proto Merkabah, which mentioned damaged realian units. However, Design Materials says that without exception Realians can't reproduce, therefore, it would be safe to assume that Shion is most definitely not a realian. Everysingle Realian you see in the game has yellow eyes, too, and Shion doesn't.

But Shion got a lot of exposure to Song of Nephilim and Proto Merkabah, and she used to hang around an Acute Neurosis (What an obsolete term...) Treatment facility with all the realians and screwed up people. Plus, Febronia, who lives in the same plane as Nephilim used to be Shion's nanny, and her "sisters" (wait a minute! Feb can't have sisters! She's a realian and doesn't have a mother!) are powering the Zohar...

Man, all this buisness makes me think...

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chaos -> These weird people like Feb and Nef

Think about it for a second. Opposing sides, like most of W/c things, and this builds up irony of Feb vs. Virgil, and... Nef knows chaos, and all this.

Whatever. I make no sense.

Shion's just weird. She sees Mizrahi on the White Beach of Nothingness in one of the screenshot. Could she have been a test subject to an expiriment of his when she was a child, and repressed it quasi-Fei-style?
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 01:59 AM

If Shion was a realian she would have pretty gold eyes. Whatever it is about her, she is confused about it herself. If something 'special' happened to her when she was very young, then all she needs as a reminder is for the truth to be presented to her. Remember the little dream she has with Nephilim.. Kos-Mos can been seen in the distance. There is a connection between those two and this is where I believe the answer to her 'specialism' resides.
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 07:42 AM

I think people are reading too much into Shion's hands glowing.
Momo wasn't sensing the Gnosis like that. She sensed that they were being dragged out of hyperspace. And this happened to everyone, not just Momo and Shion.






After their hands started glowing, the whole ship was enveloped in the same blue aura, and it was dragged out of hyperspace.

I guess that means that the Elsa is a Realian as well? =p
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 09:37 AM

Like its been mentioned, we are only thinking up random theories here to try and explain things.
So its no wonder that most of the time eventually we will prove ourselves wrong.
Anyway all will be revealed sooner or later.
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 06:13 PM

Watch this. Shion's the first Gnosis dragged out by Mizrahi. JUST WATCH IT.

And then Betty is her long lost sister.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 04:22 AM

Cant be the other way around Denim. A human can become a Gnosis. A Gnosis can't become human. Meh the hands glowing thing didnt peg my interest. It was her reaction when Cherankov was becoming a Gnosis. THAT is something people overlooked. Remember how he said than him and Shion are basically the same.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 05:33 AM

Indeed, her interaction with Cherenkov seems to be a very important part of the story. The plot guide Design Materials has a whole section devoted to Cherenkov and his final moments with Shion (and to quote the most important part):

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Having said that, Nephilim's purpose is for Shion to inherit his last feelings, before the Gnosis-ified Andrew vanishes. If the purpose was for Shion to address his soul at the beach and feel sympathy for him, this would come to explain Nephilim's motive to address Shion.

However, why Shion needed to inherit Andrew's feelings is unknown.

I'm guessing Cherenkov telling Shion that he can tell she will eventually find herself there as well is still an important part of the story. Actually, that Episode III screenshot of Shion and Joachim Mizrahi on that bright white beach looks quite similar to the Beach of Nothingness where we last saw Cherenkov (I assume it must be something like that, Joachim is already dead after all). It would seem there's really something up with Shion and that weird beach.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 09:37 AM

This could be something or nothing, i thought i'de just mention it.
As most of you are aware i am currently playing Ep1 at the mo.

Im sure some of you have also done this side quest, but i have been following the 'infamous hacker' sidequest now (the one where you have to trace the hacker in the Vector mainframe or summin)

Now, after you successfully capture this guy, you get an email ffrom his younger sister, who says she will unleash a deadly nanomachine across The Foundation, The Federation and Miltia, along with the usual abuse etc etc.

However this particular sentence caught my eye:

'Yes, this will affect you as well Shion, the nanomachines can kill realions as well'

'Why is this email basically trying to say that Shion is a realion' is what i am currently thinking.

So i'de like to hear some thoughts on this, also if anyone can totally disregard this and say why, i'de be most grateful, because this is kinda playing on my mind now.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 09:46 AM

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'Why is this email basically trying to say that Shion is a realion' is what i am currently thinking.


lol how many times am I going to say it. . .?

Shion COULD be a life recycling variant, like the URTV's but it's doubtful she is a realian. If she was, she would know it - really it would not be hard to know right off the bat that you're made out of metal. Life recycling varients however are bioengineered.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 09:51 AM

Good point, cherenkov was one of these and the whole of Ep1 (till his death of course) basically shows how similar they are.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (Shion @ Feb 28 2006, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cant be the other way around Denim. A human can become a Gnosis. A Gnosis can't become human. Meh the hands glowing thing didnt peg my interest. It was her reaction when Cherankov was becoming a Gnosis. THAT is something people overlooked. Remember how he said than him and Shion are basically the same.


Think Evangelion. Think Angels. For some reason, I always thought Gnosis were a lot like Evangelion's Angels. Now remember Adam. Yeah.

How much do we know about Gnosis anyway?
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