[Final Fantasist]

well, i've finally read the whole script of Xenosaga: Pied Pieper, and, at leas for me, it cleared alot of blanks i had regarding Voyager and Ziggy.

From here, there could be possible spoilers to those that didn't read or played it.

First a few questions:

- I read a line where Jan, aka Ziggy, offers to joaquin a artificial dog, which is called Nexus 6, Nex for short. I think in a scene in either I or II we see a memory of Ziggy where this happens, am i correct?

- Lactis is called Canaan in this game. Is this Lactis, the Canaan from II that's with chaos at the begining of the game?

- Finally, the character named Meris. She founded her own organization named "Scientia", is there anything pointing this organization in I or II?

- Who are these "salvators" that Yuriev is talking about?

Well, i guess that's all for now. ^^

EDIT:
and only one offtopic question since i don't want to interrupt the discussion in the other threads: The Blue Testament, Virgil, is he the man that KOS-MOS killed in the begining of Xeno I when they're trying to protect the Zohar?

This post has been edited by Final Fantasist: 17 March 2006 - 01:04 PM

[Xerno]

Well, so far I've only read chapter 1 & 2, so I only know about a few things for the moment:

- I read a line where Jan, aka Ziggy, offers to joaquin a artificial dog, which is called Nexus 6, Nex for short. I think in a scene in either I or II we see a memory of Ziggy where this happens, am i correct?

Yes, I think it was shown in Episode I (and I wonder if Nexus 6 is supposed to be an easter egg referring to Blade runner...? =s ).

- Finally, the character named Meris. She founded her own organization named "Scientia", is there anything pointing this organization in I or II?

Not that I know of, but it's been confirmed Shion will join Scientia in Episode III.

The Blue Testament, Virgil, is he the man that KOS-MOS killed in the begining of Xeno I when they're trying to protect the Zohar?

Yes, that's him. =p

[Final Fantasist]

The Blue Testament, Virgil, is he the man that KOS-MOS killed in the begining of Xeno I when they're trying to protect the Zohar?

Yes, that's him. =p

Hmm, ok, but why would he become one? Why did Wilhelm made him a Testament? Any particular reason? Or he just used the fact that Virgil wanted, maybe, revenge for getting killed by KOS-MOS?

This post has been edited by Final Fantasist: 17 March 2006 - 01:18 PM

[Xerno]

Why Wilhelm made him a Testament is just because Virgil has one of those rare strong wills, one of the requirements for becoming a Testament. Wilhelm must have just figured Virgil has potential, and Testaments also seem quite hard to find (the first one was Voyager about a 100 years ago, the next one (Kevin) wasn't until many years later).

But as for why Virgil agreed to become one, the official plot guide Design Materials explains all:

Why did Virgil become a "cloak" and join Wilhelm's side? How did the dead Virgil become a "cloak"? At the current point, the reason is unknown.

=p I guess this will be properly explained in Episode III.

[Final Fantasist]

But as for why Virgil agreed to become one, the official plot guide Design Materials explains all:

Why did Virgil become a "cloak" and join Wilhelm's side? How did the dead Virgil become a "cloak"? At the current point, the reason is unknown.

=p I guess this will be properly explained in Episode III.

lol, well, i guess you're right i just hope so.

What about Pied Piper, what are you thinking of it till now?

[Xerno]

What about Pied Piper, what are you thinking of it till now?

It's quite different from the main Xeno games. It's more like some sort of police thriller with Ziggy as the lead investigator xP . What I find a bit weird is how most of the story takes place in VR, not quite what I was expecting. Though something like that VR boat party (in chapter 2) is something I wouldn't mind seeing in 3D glory. =p

[Final Fantasist]

It's quite different from the main Xeno games. It's more like some sort of police thriller with Ziggy as the lead investigator xP . What I find a bit weird is how most of the story takes place in VR, not quite what I was expecting. Though something like that VR boat party (in chapter 2) is something I wouldn't mind seeing in 3D glory. =p

Ditto, i have read it three times alread, because the first times, there were some parts where i didn't know if it was VR or RW, and i agree with you, there are some situations there it would be better if it was in the RW instead of VR, like the boat party has you said.

If you read the entire chapter 2, then you know that we can see that chaos appears and talks to Jan, aka ziggy wile he's passed out. Prolly ziggy doesn't remember this, since almost all of his human memories are gone, or so he tells us in xeno II right?

[Sadistic Angel]

A strong will....hm, indeed I wonder why any one person has a stronger will than another. Sergius for instance, does he not have this wondrous will that encourages Wilhelm to transform them into a Testament? Mizrahi even? It's quite perplexing.

Amazing huh, that this will was only in Voyager 100 years ago but in this current age of Xenosaga there has already been 2 created in one year and the other one was only a few years prior to that, assuming Kevin was a Testament a short while before or after KOS-MOS' rampage.

And no, I won't give up on praising the Patriarch in every thread that I can manage to say it and be on-topic. He's so damn underrated.

TO be fully on-topic though, the Immigrant Fleet interests me just as much as Voyager and Wilhelm and it's a shame they didn't get more coverage though they still got more in this than any of the others.

[Denim]

Virtual Reality seems to be quite convinient. Like the Internet. Except you can get murderized in VR. It'd make sense for them to spend a lot of time in there because Voyager kills by it.

Also, remember, people have the power to refuse to become Testament. Pied Piper says so. Except by refusing it, you need to die.

One thing, however...

When Voyager died, he was visited by Wilhelm (in a white suit, wtf) who made a deal with him. Voyager said yes (and his cloak turned black... and now you see Wilhelm in a black suit too, wtf) and offered to bring Jan along, so he came back and started another fight. Then he started asking Ziggy if he wanted to have the same powers as Voyager, and be with his wife and son, or die by Voyager's hand. Then Jan shoots himself after a speech about false realities, with Meris watching.

Agreement to become Testament before death?
Hiku's theory kinda makes sense now.
Albedo... makes a little bit more sense, but he still sucks.

[Final Fantasist]

Albedo... makes a little bit more sense, but he still sucks.

LOL, i completelly bursted out laughing when i read that xD
Maybe Albedo, when he's absorbed by U-DO to create that distorcon that made possible going to Miltia, he somewhat talked to Wilhelm about maybe becoming a Testament, then before the battle with the Patriach he appears again and suposedly dies, then afte the battle, the rest of the Testaments appear and Wilhelm gives life to Albedo, restoring his normal self, then he absorbs U-DO and fight's against Rubedo. Maybe Albedo asked Wilhelm to postpon(sp?) he becoming a Testament until he could be killed by Rubedo? Like a dying man wish to be killed by his own brother?

[Xerno]

Oh, Albedo will probably explain a few things himself in Episode 3, surely he'll want to give a villainous speech when he meets Rubedo again. =p

But anyway, I finally finished reading Pied Piper, and I must say I'm not surprised this game didn't find its way outside of Japan (yet?). The story is quite dark and downright bizarre at times (I actually doubt you'll see a game with several victims like young children and heck, even embryos ported anytime soon o.o'' ).

But it does make Ziggy's story in regard to Voyager much more interesting (and I can understand Ziggy's fierce hatred for Voyager now, I already hate him with a passion myself after reading about all the things he did in Pied Piper. Virgil suddenly seems much nicer compared to that guy xP ).

[Spurt Reynolds]

I've started to read it, not very far those only on like page 10 xP.

I reckon that alot of Pied Piper is going to be explained via flashbacks in Ep3, or at least i'de expect that.
As Voyager now makes a more sturdy appearance in this one as apposed to 5mins at the end of Ep2 and not at all in Ep1.

Still, if ever i find the time i will probably read Pied Piper.

[Denim]

As I said before, probably fitting Pied Piper with Episode 2 wouldn't have worked, and as Episode 3 is supposed to (much) longer, and Voyager is playing a larger role, it has a lot of room to be explained.

Ah, Xerno. I'd say something in Virgil's defense, but I'd be redundant.
He's a nice guy. If you're not a pompous, self-righteous human, or realian. He'd probably not like Ziggy much, but eh. Almost all NPCs hate him (visit UMN Control Center with him as the leader >_>).


By the way. Ziggy has a lot of human memories left. He doesn't want them, though, and that's why he wanted to replace all of his body with mechanical parts. He changed his mind, apparently.

[Spurt Reynolds]

i think the way its supposed to be interpreted is that his encounters with MOMO brought back the human in him.

[Sadistic Angel]

So...U-DO implanted a fear in Voyager's mind and that wa sall for "he" wanted to confirm something "he" was contemplating on the world? Weird.