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#1 Bloo

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 10:00 PM

Erm... Well... After Playing So many suiko series... we still hav lots of question on many unsolved mystery... So i wish that We can gather here and Disscuss, predict, Suggest, Answer about tis topic... Not only jus my question... Feel free to ask anything that u dun understand or Haven not yet to know the answers...

Well... Even though played quite a lot of suiko games... I still dun understand
: Firstly, why did Meg Left her daughter and gadget in the first place...
: Secondly, who is that Younger Viki...
: Thirdly, why didn't Jowy Went back to find Jillia and Pilika after the Dunan Unification War , instead he runs away...
: Fourthly, Izzit because of Sara Blight Being rape by Muse Ruffians and Her death causes Luca Blight to go insane to even kill his own father... Or trigger his insanity mind to start the Dunan Unification War...Or is he already Insane since his birth...
: Lastly, Since Jillia isn't Agares Blight's Real daughter, then why did she still qualify to be under the name of Blight, then If it is tis case... Jowy still not be under the Blight's name anymore...

If there is no comfirmed answers... Predictions r good enough... Lol... I'm a very trouble some guy...

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 05:20 AM

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: Fourthly, Izzit because of Sara Blight Being rape by Muse Ruffians and Her death causes Luca Blight to go insane to even kill his own father... Or trigger his insanity mind to start the Dunan Unification War...Or is he already Insane since his birth...

Revenge. Her death and rape, his father did nothing about it. Luca carried out this revenge in the best way possible @_@. No child can't be ok after seeing thier mother raped right in front of them.

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: Lastly, Since Jillia isn't Agares Blight's Real daughter, then why did she still qualify to be under the name of Blight, then If it is tis case... Jowy still not be under the Blight's name anymore...

Seems to be the Blight tradition to taste the blood of the King and be considered a Blight therafter. Just a guess.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 07:21 AM

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: Thirdly, why didn't Jowy Went back to find Jillia and Pilika after the Dunan Unification War , instead he runs away...

Either he's a coward or he no longer found any use for Jillia or Pilika. I bet it's both.

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He killed his father because Agares did very little to save Sara and himself back then.

He waged a war against the City-States for being the ones who soiled his mother in the first place.

I don't think he's insane. Obsessed with revenge, maybe.

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Only select few know of this fact anyway. It wouldn't do Agares any good to admit that Jillia was Sara's child with another man anyway.

As for the blood thing, looks like it's a customary for the purpose of adding a commoner to the royal line.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 08:42 AM

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: Thirdly, why didn't Jowy Went back to find Jillia and Pilika after the Dunan Unification War , instead he runs away...

Because Jowy Blight had to die. He sent Pillika and Jillia away so that they could start over with their life, and Jowy needed Highland to vanish completely.
If he goes after Jillia and Pillika, it would put them in more danger of being discovered for who they really are. Since no one really whitnessed Jowy die, some may expect him to still be alive.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 02:15 PM

Actually, in the good ending Jowy is still alive and Nanami, Riou and Jowy head back to Kyaro Town together. So, if the Suikoden II storyline continues (as in a direct sequal, or something that is in line with Suikoden II) there is a rather big chance we will find out more about him being alive.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 02:16 PM

Jowy Blight dies in both endings. He made sure that the entire Blight family died.
Jowy Atreides survives though.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 02:17 PM

You make it sound like there are 2 Jowies lol. But I know what you mean, the king died, but the person himself didn't.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 05:26 PM

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why did Meg Left her daughter and gadget in the first place...

To enable her daughter to explore the world on her own, the life of a trickster according to the tradition on the suiko world furnish by means of exploring. I dunno why? but maybe it gives them the sense of urguency to think or devise a way to make out of something by means of circumstances...

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Secondly, who is that Younger Viki...

My opinion. She is the younger version of Viki the one and same person. It seems that her rune has something to do with their age and intelligence. Viki might start as intelligent being as she grew older, she became more less intelligent. She must have a mix up on Suiko 3 bringing the young version on the same time.

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why didn't Jowy Went back to find Jillia and Pilika after the Dunan Unification War , instead he runs away...

I think Jowy knew where to find them, afterall he is the one instructed them to hide in Harmonia. And of course being defeated in the war, If the people knew Jowy was spared after all of what he had done. It will be unforgiveable act to the people for the Hero and Jowy as well. In order to avoid the bad blood of the citizens they probably announce directly or indirectly that Jowy die or escaped and still being manhunt. It will bring a blow to the political world if were known to may he was alive and with the Hero. In other words it will be seen as political incorrect to have the defeated leader roaming around freely. Plus Jowy uplift his pride... afterall jillia told Jowy that she knew she was being used by Jowy on his personal scheme.

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zzit because of Sara Blight Being rape by Muse Ruffians and Her death causes Luca Blight to go insane to even kill his own father... Or trigger his insanity mind to start the Dunan Unification War...Or is he already Insane since his birth...

No historical record would prove that the Blight Family has a line of wackoes so it will rule out he is insane since birth. It must have been developed after seen her mother being raped by his own two naked eyes, feeling abandoned and betrayed. The vengeance against Dunan delivered him to insanity. Luca could have taken the forbidden drug of the nether Gate and able to adapt to it.

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Since Jillia isn't Agares Blight's Real daughter, then why did she still qualify to be under the name of Blight, then If it is tis case... Jowy still not be under the Blight's name anymore...

A blood pact that binds an outsider into a certain family. Pronouncing that the blood of Blight runs to the blood veins of the recipient under the Blight name.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 08:16 PM

Ohh So Meg Left Belle to let he exploe the world jus lik Juppo Did to Meg previosly... I get it now... it all makes sense now...

But since Jillia Ain't a real member of the Blights... then jowy definitely can return to reunite with Jillia isn't it?

I mean they r in harmonia... Living under a new name... Jowy definitely can visit them right?

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 12:03 AM

They'd be recognised by everyone, also they'll be called traitors.

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 12:21 AM

Erm... Suiko Got a Song Called "La Mia Tritezza" Do u know wat this song is from/for or something lik tat???

i Know tis song for quite some time... but didn't know its history...

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 08:01 AM

it is one of Annelee's songs. She has three songs in the game, if I recall correct and this was one of them.
There was also a remix with the 2River theme and this one together, I believe.

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 07:09 AM

Q1: Hmm ~ Then the three song from Annallee is :

Diu Fiume
La Mia Tritezza
and ????

Q2: Oh and btw If Raura is a Good friend of Jeane~ Then Is Raura( her good friend ) also The Same "Species"??? Since Koroku Can see Jeane's True Form...? Both is RuneMistress... long time Friends... and has a So call " Unknown History " ... ?

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 01:03 PM

Diu Fiume
Orrizonte
La Mia Tristezza

At least, I thought those were the ones.

About Raura, well it could be, I don't know. They are friends of each other, but where they met and such, I have no idea.

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The Luca answer is pretty obvious. Agares was an utter coward. I think he kept Jillia as his daughter for the sole purpose of marrying her off for political purposes (which came back to bite all of Highland in the rear end later). I believe that if Sara had had a son, either Agares or Luca would have killed him.

The tragedy of Suikoden I, II, and III is that few of the enemies are actually what you'd call 'evil'.

Barbarossa wasn't evil - just brainwashed by Windy.

Teo wasn't evil - he was just very loyal to his country.

Agares wasn't evil. He didn't have the cojones to be evil.

Raised under normal circumstances - that is, Sara not getting raped and Luca not being forced to watch it, I don't think that Luca would have been evil. Of course, if Luca had been raised under normal circumstances, Suikoden II would have never happened. But Luca was motivated by revenge. Strangely enough, many heroes in and outside of video games are motivated not only by their strong sense of justice but by revenge.

Jowy - definitely not evil. In fact, he was more of an anti-hero than a villain. Confused? Anti-heroes make great villains and even better main characters. Anti-heroes are still good, deep down, but they don't seek to set things right in the orthodox, stereotypical way that heroes do. Jowy is probably the most complex antagonist in the entire Suikoden series - even moreso than Luc. Jowy made calculated decisions from killing Annabelle to asking for Jillia's hand in marriage to participating in the plan to get Luca knocked off.

While we're on this subject, let me explain what I think Jowy's big plan was.

DISCLAIMER: I don't work for Konami nor do I know for a fact that any of the things that I am about to write are true - but that's the beauty of good RPG plot twists.

Jowy killed Annabelle to gain Luca's trust. The same was true with participating in the murder of Agares. Then, as Luca's brother-in-law, he was next in line for the throne of Highland. The last problem would be to end the war, which posed two problems for Jowy. Luca would not stop slaying 'state pigs' until there were none left. On the other hand, the Hero's side was not going to give in easily.

First of all, the Blight family had to die.

Agares had to die because it was his cowardice that set off this chain of events in the first place. If Agares hadn't turned tail and run, Sara most likely wouldn't have gotten raped, and Luca wouldn't be a mass murderer driven by revenge because there would be no personal reason to hate the City-State.

Luca had to die because he'd wipe out all of the entire City-State person by person if he was allowed to live. It was either kill one or risk genocide by doing nothing - which would you choose?

In Jowy's plan, neither Jillia nor Pilika had to die because they were not Blights by blood. Both Jillia and Pilika (the persons and the personas) were grandfathered by Agares' cowardice during the rape incident. Obviously, if Agares hadn't allowed Sara to be raped, the Jillia everyone knows never would have been born. Also, Luca wouldn't have gone insane, wiping two villages off of the map and leaving poor Pilika a mute (at least for much of the game) orphan. If anyone deserved another chance at life, it was those two. For anyone that hasn't figured this one out yet, Pilika, for the vast majority of the game, plays the role of Jowy's adopted daughter - therefore not a Blight by blood, either. Then again, Jowy was not a Blight by birth.

The problem with this plan is that one part of Jowy was still very naive. Jowy, overall, is mature far beyond his years, but he didn't count on the psychological damage that many murders could do. Luca didn't have that issue because, far from being unaffected by murdering people, he fed off of it - a fact that is very obvious to players of the game. At the end of the game, Jowy died not as much because Riou beat him down, but because he had lost the will to live. A normal person can't think about having killed hundreds to thousands of people and not be affected.