Ken Masters
Apr 20 2008, 08:36 AM
QUOTE (DragonsVenom @ Apr 19 2008, 08:42 PM)

QUOTE (Chalryn @ Apr 19 2008, 03:38 PM)

QUOTE (Soul_Taker_Devil @ Apr 19 2008, 03:11 PM)

Concerning the Vaizard, perhaps events will unfold like this.
1. Kisuke creates Hogyoku, with Mayuri's help.
2. Aizen attempts to secretly steal Hogyoku, in attempt to take over the Soul Society.
3. Shinji, Kisuke, Yoruichi, Isshin (Who'll I think will be introduced in the next coming chapters), and the other future Vaizards band together to secretly fight Aizen.
4. Shinji fights Aizen only to realize they fair evenly against each other.
6. Shinji, to get stronger than Aizen, uses the Hogyoku to become a Vaizard.
7. Other captains and vice captains (the future members of the Vaizards) follow suit to Shinji's example.
9. Vaizards, Urahara, Yoruichi, and Isshin flee to the human world to prepare for Aizen in the future.
Though there's one thing that has been bugging me.
Possible Spoiler
Okay so Grand Fisher, when Isshin appeared, said something about Ichigo being a pure-blood Shinigami. Seeing that his father was a Shinigami, could it be that his mother was a also a Shinigami on the run? If that is the case, could she be the former captain of 12th company before Kisuke took over?
End Spoiler
Also I thought it was implied that Gin and Aizen have been in cahoots for a long time now, considering the two have a close relationship apparently.
Yeah, I've been thinking something along those lines, as well, concerning the Vizard.
Y'know, I haven't thought about that recently, but now that you bring it up, it sounds like a familiar theory. And, I have to say, it sounds like a pretty possibility. Though they must've changed their names if that's true.
Ichigo's mom's name is Masaki Kurosaki, while the ex-Captain of the 12th division was named Kirio Hikifune. (That name sounds familiar, somehow...) While a name change would make sense, of course, I haven't noticed any other name changes, so I dunno...
And yeah, I guess I should've picked up on that by now... ^^; I'm not too great with noticing such things sometimes.
I vaguely remember discussing the Pure-blooded statement with you before...
And I'm going to guess that Kisuke makes up a lot of other stuff before attempting to make the Hygokyo thingy. Also, if they are aware of what it can do, I don't think that so many captains are going to volunrteer to become vaizard. I can see it bring more of an accident than anything else.
Doubt time!
I seriously doubt that that's how things are going to happen.
First off: Aizen is still a sub-captain that is seriously outmatched. Shinji outright destroyed his illusion and he was generally surprised when he did so, therefore, he doesn't compare. Also, there's no way he can fight all of the other people that would resist him, even if he was able to compare to Shinji alone.
Second: We don't know that the captain for the fifth squad is Isshen. Sure, even I agree that it is most likely Isshen, but at the same time, I still have my doubts. With the timing of Kisuke coming up to him after killing Grand Fisher, it just seems that Isshen is a far more recent captain...
Concerning Ichigo's mother, she could have just been Isshen's wife? It does happen in Soul Society...(Kaien.)
Also, up until Rukia's sentence, it didn't appear that Kisuke was even running from anyone in specific. Obviously, he left soul society, but they weren't acitvely persuing him. I have no doubt that Aizen had greater goals from the start, but up until Kisuke left, I don't think he was aiming to use the hogyoku to create an army of Arrancar...
His plans came later, after people left and he was in a position of power and respect. Personally, I simply believe this is immediatly after the Vaizard are cast out and the one blind captain is also put into a position of power.
1. Where not exactly sure of Kyoka Suigetsu's illusion capabilities, and it's full potential. Plus it could be that Aizen is merely hiding his potential, I mean if you're trying to take over the Soul Society you wouldn't want to cast any suspicions around you.
2. Umm what are you talking about, Shinji Hirako IS the captain of 5th division, and was succeeded by Sousuke Aizen.
Concerning Isshin, it would appear that he is a member of the Royal Guard, considering if you notice when he fights the Grand Fisher he has none of the insignia's of any of the known Gotei 13. Furthermore, from the looks of it Isshin seems to have sealed his powers since he left Soul Society.
3. I'm more inclined to think she was a Shinigami, mainly because: a.) Ichigo has shown a great deal of raw talent for Shinigami. b.) Grand Fisher's statement.
4. It may not appear it, but why would Kisuke go through all the trouble of just up and disappearing from Soul Society? Because Mayuri went crazy and got stronger than Kisuke? That wouldn't be the case, considering Mayuri was imprisoned by Kisuke. Also of course Aizen's initial goal isn't to get the Hogyoku, because it hasn't been made yet. During the Soul Society Arc, if you recall Aizen's explanation of obtaining the Hogyoku, he tried taking it once but failed in doing so. Knowing this, it would be dangerous within Soul Society for Kisuke to keep the Hogyoku, so most likely he fled to the Human world for that sole reason.
DragonsVenom
Apr 20 2008, 09:29 PM
Considering how long it would take to filter out all of the spoilers:
For some reason I keep thinking Isshen is a former captain, specifically. You're probably right about him being a royal guard member, for your stated reason and he took out Grand Fisher, although not quite a complete Arrancar, with a single draw without even releasing his Shikai.
Sorry about Ichigo's mother, when I said Isshen's wife, I meant a shinigami, but just a normal one. In the exmaple I used, Kaien, his wife was also a shinigami, so I thought that would carry over. She could also be a royal guard member, which would explain how Ichigo is just so powerful. With her powers sealed, Grand fisher wouldn't have too much of a problem killing her, although her power to sense hollow would probably still be intact, considering Isshen's was as well...but there isn't nearly enough information to have that discussion...
For his illusion capabilities, his exact statement after Shinji destroyed it was, "I'm impressed." Shinji also made it quite obvious that he could sense/know when he was using his illusion with his statement concerning Aizen being born. Aizen also finished off with, "captains are kinda scary."
With all of that, I doubt Shinji is going to be outclassed by Aizen anytime soon.
Kisuke and Mayuri create the Hogokyu, but if Aizen failed to steal it when Shinji or the other Vaizards were still captains, I doubt that any of them would have any trouble just killing Aizen. The way I see it is, them turning into Vaizards was a test, or accident, and they were banned from Soul Society for what they had become. Of course, this may have been set up by Aizen, but I don't think that he is nearly powerful enough to compare to all of those strong shinigami, or Vaizards after.
Even if they decided to become Vaizards by choice, Shinji would only be more powerful and would simply kill Aizen for trying to steal the Hogokyu.
And what happens when Kisuke, or Yuroichi, who both have the capability to sneak around relatively unnoticed, can simply tip off the other captains to what Aizen is doing. Aizen set up a firm belief that he was trying to better soul society and that took a LONG time. If Aizen did anything this early, it was only setting up his future allies and creating his future goals. If he did anything to even cause any form of suspician he wouldn't be in a captains position later on. His illusion can't stop people from thinking, only what their five senses can sense. Therefore, I firmly believe that there is no way Aizen is the one who cast out the people we know as Vaizards.
Also, due to Yuroichi only leaving 100 years ago, her and Kisuke must have been around after the Vaizard left.
This is supported through Ikkaku knowing who Kisuke is. Ikkaku didn't join until Kenpachi joined, and despite the captain of the 11th squad not appearing quite yet, in both the manga and the anime, Kenpachi is always at each of the captain's meetings that are held (I think he didn't go to one, because he was fighting someone at the time, but every other time he was there.) So that makes it safe to assume both Kenpachi and Ikkaku are not yet part of the Soul Society, so Kisuke is going to be around for a tad bit longer than the Vaizards.
Perhaps later, Kisuke fled because Aizen was trying to get the Hogokyu, but I seriously doubt that he would just leave without telling his superiors about Aizen's attempt at stealing it. At the very least, Yuroichi would have known, and she has yet to let onto such things.
Theferrell
Apr 21 2008, 11:35 AM
Good idea Athrun, I was really getting annoyed with "blank" posts...
Well, I just finished watching the latest anime episode. I was pleased with it. They totally did the flashback in the way I wanted it to. One episode total, less than half the episode devoted to the flashback. They also explained the Hollow evolution quite well. Kinda derranged and strange... but it makes sense. I liked it.
Now, what the poop is up with this new arc they have coming out?? They OBVIOUSLY have stalled the current Hueco Mundo arc and are going to go back to Soul Society for new captains?? They didn't do this in the Manga... right?? Because I remembered that the Grimjow fight ended, then the Nel thing happened, then all hell broke loose with the calvary arriving. (Too general to be "spoilers")
Any ideas on how long this new arc will be??? I am glad that they are doing this because it will allow us to get a little bit of intel on what is happening at Soul Society this entire time.
P.S. New manga arc = blessed.
P.P.S. What does "arc" mean anyway??? The first time I've heard of this term is when I arrived on this forum.
Chalryn
Apr 21 2008, 11:56 AM
As for the spoilers, DV said "considering how long it would take to filter out all of the spoilers," indicating that there were so many that he may as well just filter the whole thing. ...Though, yeah, you should try to avoid "blank" posts, man. Stop being lazy, and just edit out what's necessary. =P Things like events that happened a long time ago don't require spoiler tags, and simple questions about characters don't need them, so I'm sure there's plenty of unnecessarily spoiler'd stuff in there.
Moving on...
The new arc is what is known as "filler." Hence, not being covered in the manga. They're just stalling the anime more, so that it won't catch up to the manga too quickly, just like they've done a few times in the past. I imagine it'll last a while, 'cause the flashback manga chapters are supposed to last about... two months, I believe? I'm interested to see how the filler is going to be, and am hoping its at least tolerable. The idea sounds plenty interesting, IMO. Just hoping it's covered well.
An "arc," by the way, basically just refers to a particular portion of a series. More specifically, this would be referred to as a "story arc." Kind of like how you'd separate a TV show into "seasons," a manga is separated into "arcs." (I believe the term could be used for works other than manga, as well. Usually only see it used for manga/anime, though.)
crimson fate
Apr 24 2008, 09:02 AM
I think bleach ep 167 sucked a bit when grimmjow died , and they didnt say why ichigo's >mask stayd for that long?
if any one has any idea why i would like to know?
Athrun
Apr 24 2008, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (crimson fate @ Apr 24 2008, 07:02 PM)

I think bleach ep 167 sucked a bit when grimmjow died , and they didnt say why ichigo's >mask stayd for that long?
if any one has any idea why i would like to know?

Because he's the main character.
It's called main-character-no-jutsu. His willpower gives him superpowers. That's how he cut through Grimmjow's strongest attack like it was butter.
crimson fate
Apr 24 2008, 09:47 AM
lol i know and understand ''willpower'' and stuff but i'm talking about his mask not the way he killed grimmjow
and still why didnt he have ''willpower'' against espada numper 4 ( dont know his name) in ep 162 i think?
Chalryn
Apr 24 2008, 10:41 AM
Well, concerning the mask, at least, Grimmjow even pointed out that it stayed on longer, suggesting that Ichigo naturally grew stronger (and thus, able to hold the mask for an extended period of time) from his fights along the way. Of course, they never really confirmed that that was it, though it would make sense. (That, and the whole willpower thing.)
Anyway, seems like they're making somewhat of a big deal out of the new filler, like they are with the manga flashback. Special introduction narration and all. (On that note, through a good portion of this episode, I felt like I was watching Kisuke's entry to the Gotei 13 all over again. Lol.) Widescreen's a welcome change, as well, after seeing Shippuuden make the conversion. (Since then, I've actually been forcing Bleach into widescreen, just to get used to it. Good thing I did. Haha.)
So, Amagai didn't show off much in this episode, nor did Kifune, though I'm totally interested to see more of those two. Amagai seems like he somehow manipulates sound, perhaps. (His other weapon is compared to a tuning fork by some, and in the OP, he seems to release some sort of waves from it.) Design-wise, they seem somewhat unoriginal, though that doesn't really bother me. Interested to see how these two develop.
And on the note of the development of those two, yeah, considering they're filler characters, dying seems likely, though I can't help but wonder if maybe they'll just be incorporated into the manga later on (Assuming it ever goes back to Soul Society). I mean, after all, the manga hasn't shown any Captains being replaced yet, has it? So I think it'd make sense if they kept him for later events. *shrug* Kinda wish they would, actually.
On a somewhat-related note: I'm liking the new soundtrack (or what there is of it so far). The new episode had a nifty acoustic piece, along with the awesome battle theme from the Grimmjow fight. (Which reminds me a lot of FF VII's "Still More Fighting" at parts, haha.) Though it seems like they might be trying to mix in some oriental influence as well. New OP and ED are both pretty nice, too.
crimson fate
Apr 26 2008, 06:58 AM
I didnt understand the preview of ep 169? ichigo and rukia were back in the real world? they better have a good reson on ep 169
(or it least show us why or how)
Athrun
Apr 26 2008, 08:22 AM
QUOTE (crimson fate @ Apr 24 2008, 07:47 PM)

lol i know and understand ''willpower'' and stuff but i'm talking about his mask not the way he killed grimmjow
His main character willpower kept the mask on longer too. It can do anything.
QUOTE (crimson fate)
and still why didnt he have ''willpower'' against espada numper 4 ( dont know his name) in ep 162 i think?
Oh it's going to happen. And you're all going to hate it, but Ichigo is going to win.
Thanks to his main-character-no-jutsu.
crimson fate
Apr 26 2008, 09:18 AM
lol dont tell me u read Bleach manga!?
if you do then there is no fun in it ,cuz you have to watch bleach not read it. ( like naruto)
Athrun
Apr 26 2008, 09:22 AM
Actually I do read it, and many things are done better in the manga, so I enjoy reading it. Both naruto and Bleach. But the anime also has it's strong sides that it does better than the manga, so I watch the anime also.
But he hasn't fought or beat Ulquiorra yet in the manga, but we all know it's going to happen.
crimson fate
Apr 26 2008, 10:22 AM
Well guss you're right about ichigo and ulquiorra, but about the manga i meen come on the anime has the fight's!!
like the last fight with grimmjow and ichigo i was like OMG! X_X it was so cool now u cant get something like that in a manga

but hey i guss we like what we like
Athrun
Apr 26 2008, 10:33 AM
QUOTE (crimson fate @ Apr 26 2008, 08:22 PM)

Well guss you're right about ichigo and ulquiorra, but about the manga i meen come on the anime has the fight's!!
like the last fight with grimmjow and ichigo i was like OMG! X_X it was so cool now u cant get something like that in a manga

but hey i guss we like what we like

Lol, the manga has some fights that I prefer in manga form over anime actually. For example, when #4 and #10 first came to earth and fought Ichigo, Urahara and Yoruichi was done a better in the manga. The artwork is usually more detailed in manga wheres in anime can get downright sloppy.
But this recent Grimmjow fight was actually done better in the anime. Very nice animation and great music. That's why I both watch and read. But some fights suck in the anime compared to the manga. And not just the fights either.
crimson fate
Apr 26 2008, 10:39 AM
Lol ok just gotta ask one more thing
how can manga fight's be better then fight's in the anime? i meen in the anime you're seeing it happen like it's real
but manga......i just dont get it?
Athrun
Apr 26 2008, 11:02 AM
Well I guess once you get used to reading the manga, the frames that show the swings and which direction they came from is enough for you to realise how the attack was made.
If you read a book and compare it to the movie, you'll notice that it can be a lot more detailed than the movie.
The words describing it can be a lot more detailed. And a picture says more than 1000 words.
Anyway there are another factors as well. The anime some times changes things. Like how Yoruichi beat up Yami. In the manga her punches looked a lot more powerful and pounded him straight through the ground. In the anime her punches and kicks looked a lot weaker, and instead of being pounded through the ground, Yami just collapsed and fell.
Anime



Manga

She kicked the #### out of him in the manga. There's a hole in his face from the force of the impact. It looks like a C. And then she pounds him right to the ground. In the anime she just makes a soft sounding kick on his back, and he just falls to the ground, slowly.
The impression I got from reading that chapter in the manga was a lot better than what the anime portrayed.
And check this post:
http://www.rpgdreamersforum.com/index.php?...mp;#entry635960
Death
Apr 26 2008, 12:27 PM
Ugh. I can't watch bleach or naruto anymore. Not due to fillers, but because of DB's new format. I try to use VLC but it always freezes. I have the ultimate codec pac on a mac for Quicktime (quicktime is amazing on a Mac, nothing much else) and I'll I get using that, is a white screen with audio.
Any tips? the format is h264, which my quicktime 7.4.5 pro should be able to play, as it does for other videos in the format, but not DB's. basdkhjfjalskj
Athrun
Apr 26 2008, 01:59 PM
DB use a new format? Hmm, I have the episodes downloaded, but haven't tried them yet. I'll check now.
*Edit*
Both of them started in Winamp and Media Player Classic. And I checked the file extention and they're both .avi

Are you sure it's not just another hacked joke from DB?
Chalryn
Apr 26 2008, 02:21 PM
No, they really are using a different format for both now, referred to as "H264 in an AVI container, in widescreen." Though it seems like they may still be experimenting a little. For example, episodes 54 and 56 are labeled as just 'Files' for me, though 55 is properly labeled as Winamp media file, complete with a thumbnail. They all work fine for me in VLC, though, regardless of how the files are labeled, though I dunno what's up with that. (Your 56 seems to have loaded the thumbnail just fine... Might just be a download error on my part. *shrug*)
I think DB said that the new format also requires certain system specs... Their most recent news should explain that. Otherwise, your problem (Death) might just have something to do with using a Mac. I haven't heard about any compatibility issues with Mac's as of yet, though that's all that comes to mind. I just use VLC Player without any particular additions, and they all work fine for me. (I'm pretty sure the Mac version of VLC isn't quite as good as the PC version, by the way, which goes back to the compatibility issue.)
crimson fate
Apr 27 2008, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (Athrun @ Apr 26 2008, 10:02 PM)

Well I guess once you get used to reading the manga, the frames that show the swings and which direction they came from is enough for you to realise how the attack was made.
If you read a book and compare it to the movie, you'll notice that it can be a lot more detailed than the movie.
The words describing it can be a lot more detailed. And a picture says more than 1000 words.
Anyway there are another factors as well. The anime some times changes things. Like how Yoruichi beat up Yami. In the manga her punches looked a lot more powerful and pounded him straight through the ground. In the anime her punches and kicks looked a lot weaker, and instead of being pounded through the ground, Yami just collapsed and fell.
Anime



Manga

She kicked the #### out of him in the manga. There's a hole in his face from the force of the impact. It looks like a C. And then she pounds him right to the ground. In the anime she just makes a soft sounding kick on his back, and he just falls to the ground, slowly.
The impression I got from reading that chapter in the manga was a lot better than what the anime portrayed.
And check this post:
http://www.rpgdreamersforum.com/index.php?...mp;#entry635960Well the manga looked cool

cant lie about that but the anime seem's more realistic.
maybe i'll check some old ep's on the manga ( just to try it out)
Death
Apr 27 2008, 12:31 PM
Arrrggggg I found my problem.
Mac do not have many codecs out there at all.
After downloading random codec after random codec, I found two, when working together, make watching any file format there is right now possible to watch using quicktime (which again, is an amazing video program on a Mac, only the Mac)
For Mac users, Download Perion. It will install itself to quicktime. Then download osx_intel_codec_pack. You will have to drop it's contents into HD > System > Library > Quicktime
Then all will work. There are those who say "Just use VLC" But VLC has major problems loading on a Mac, especially with the new format. The videos just don't load for me, and the specs on my computer are good. So yeah, download this, and you're all good.
Chalryn
Apr 27 2008, 12:39 PM
Well now. After watching last night's English broadcast, I feel like an idiot.
(This following paragraph will basically just be a review of episode 61, as a memory refresher.)
Aizen does indeed say that he's seeking a method to surpass the boundaries of a shinigami. He says he was experimenting on Hollows in secret, and almost succeeded. Kisuke created the Hougyoku (I forget if there was a particular reason given for this), which was the device that allowed that boundary of the Hollows and shinigami to be surpassed, having both the power to fuse a Hollow's soul with a shinigami's essence (resulting in an Arrancar, as we now know) and to fuse a shinigami with the essence of a Hollow (resulting in a Vizard/Vaizard, as we now know). Based on what Aizen said, Kisuke wasn't banished simply for the creation of the Hougyoku, but because he hid it away in an untraceable gigai (Rukia's) that would devour the user's spiritual power, eventually transforming that shinigami into a human.
So, this memory refresher answered a couple of questions.
- Aizen himself experimented on Hollows, in secret, to find a way to surpass their limits. Hence, he relies on the creation of the Arrancar(s?) later in the series, due to his experience with them. (And, y'know, probably easier to deal with a Hollow than transforming a shinigami against their will.)
- Kisuke was indeed exiled. Not a runaway. I'm not so sure about others, though.
I've still got a few questions about Kisuke, though.
- Did he use the Hougyoku on himself? He used himself as a test subject, supervised by Yoruichi, to achieve his Bankai using the Tenshintai training method, so I'm curious if he also used himself as a test subject for the Hougyoku.
- On that note, did he use the select handful of then-Captains as test subjects? Did they specifically ask him to use it on them? Was there a reason other than experimentation for it to be used on Captains? The transformation of the then-Captains into Vizard(s?) is still a major mystery to me, though I'm sure it will be explained in chapters to come, thanks to these flashbacks.
- Did Kisuke eventually find a way to transform a shinigami (or a human, for that matter) into a Vizard without the use of the Hougyoku? I ask this simply because of Ichigo. I figure either Kisuke intentionally "made" Ichigo become a Vizard when he trained him to awaken his own power, or he simply recognized the different transformation due to his experiments with the Hougyoku.
crimson fate
Apr 27 2008, 02:21 PM
Did anyone hear that there is gonna be a ''Bankai 2'' ?
Flame
May 1 2008, 12:44 PM
QUOTE (crimson fate @ Apr 26 2008, 06:18 PM)

lol dont tell me u read Bleach manga!?
if you do then there is no fun in it ,cuz you have to watch bleach not read it. ( like naruto)
I enjoy reading the Manga as well, and like Athrun I sometimes find it better. I think that sometimes the pacing is done better in the manga. Even so I don't think should be a Manga Vs Anime topic

Anyway I just watched the latest episode... and I really didn't think much. The Bounto arc felt somewhat organic to the rest of the series, but this one really feels like a filler arc. Also, what the hell is up with that bow-wow guitar that starts whenever the new captain is on screen? xD
I can't say anything of episode 168 interested me much, it's good to see some more Kira and Matsumoto but the way they brought in the new captain (Oh noes! We are all going to die! but wait! Here comes the captain who we all thought was pathetic but is super strong... I did not see that coming <.<") didn't much impress me. I liked Kira's character, the way he stood up for Jin and has kept his squad together without a captain and so tight... but instead of seeing him really kick ass we get two new random characters who just downplay his whole character... Nice <.<
anyway... maybe next weeks will be better... roll on May 7th... but roll on main story arc more...
Theferrell
May 2 2008, 07:00 AM
QUOTE (crimson fate @ Apr 27 2008, 04:21 PM)

Did anyone hear that there is gonna be a ''Bankai 2'' ?
That wouldn't surprise me. It has to be super-uber cool though. As long as it doesn't turn out like DBZ with that sayan stuff. All that happens is their hair gets more and more nappier each "sayan" level and they tack on another name to it like "Super-Duper-Uber-Amazing-I'm gonna kick your butt-Sayan"
Ya, as long as they don't do THAT, I'll be fine.
Chalryn
May 2 2008, 10:44 AM
QUOTE (crimson fate @ Apr 27 2008, 06:21 PM)

Did anyone hear that there is gonna be a ''Bankai 2'' ?
I can't help but wonder in what other way a Royal Guard member would be much better than a Captain of the Gotei 13.
I wouldn't be too surprised if it has something to do with the physical manifestation of the zanpakutou. Actually, I hope it does have something to do with that. We've only seen Zangetsu and Zabimaru so far. (Pretty sure those are the only ones.) Would love to see more of that sort of stuff.
Theferrell
May 9 2008, 12:31 PM
O ya, did I mention that I REALLY like the new opening and ending??? The beach theme is super cool. Makes me wanna go surfing... BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO, I'm stuck in Friggin Utah where there's still snow on the mountains learning how to make sure buildings don't sink into the ground.
(I'm really sick of the cold if you haven't noticed... three hours of surveying in 50 degrees during a thunderstorm will do it for almost anyone...)
Flame
May 9 2008, 04:16 PM
Off Topic: I went to Utah a couple of years ago, June/July time and the last thing I would complain about was the weather, yeah it was hot but it wasn't humid in the slightest. Utah was pretty cool, although a slightly freaky place as well. :s
On Topic: I'm really not liking this filler, it doesn't really make much sense. When is it supposed to have occurred? Also they seem desperate not to touch on new ground or do anything to innovative so they reusing all the old plots and gags. Three new mysterious characters (One child blonde character who likes to jump on Ichigo... why do they keep putting ichigo with hyperactive girls?) are introduced... again... then some of the new character's start inexplicably going to Ichigo's school... again... Minor characters with the most potential and who look like they might be getting some decent character development in the main storyline are pushed into the background... again.
At least the Bount arc had Noba/Nova... Probably my favourite bleach character...
Chalryn
May 9 2008, 08:02 PM
I've mostly been confused about when it's supposed to take place, as well. It seems like sometime before Hueco Mundo, but there are so many things that make that impossible. And after? Well, that just seems strange, since not even the manga is that far yet. The only thing I've been able to think of that makes much sense is that the filler would have its own timeline altogether, and not even actually take place anytime in the main series.
The whole thing with Amagai Shuusuke was fine, I thought. It didn't really need to take place at any particular time (other than after Aizen's betrayal, of course), and could even become canon, if Kubo Tite chose to make it so. But as soon as we went back to the human world, and the whole gang was suddenly back, things went horribly wrong. ...Nevertheless, I'll still watch it, of course. ^^;
And yeah, I've definitely noticed how repetitive Bleach is getting in its fillers.

This applies to series like Naruto, as well, though I think Bleach does it more, practically making carbon copies of plots and just replacing characters with similar ones. It's annoying, but oh well. As I said, I'm still willing to watch, just to see what little original material might show up. (I'm definitely still interested in the new captain and the guy who came with him. Hoping they get back to them soon.)
Gemini_Bloodian
May 21 2008, 04:57 PM
I was watching the Bleach episodes, Japanese non-subtitiled naturally, having just finished the the up-to-date manga when I noticed something in one of the episodes. The episode embellished all the things I hate about manga-to-anime transitions.
The episode was where Ichigo was fighting Grimmjaw (the 2nd time). It would seem Grimmjaw has the upperhand, when suddenly Ichigo transforms into his hollow form. He says (and I quote): "I can only stay in this form for 11 seconds." Alright fine. No problems. But then they drag on the "dramatic dialogue," aura for, like, 10 minutes. It annoyed the hell out me!
I realize its just an anime, and these problems typically occur in the manga-anime transitions, but when its a detail that major, you really need to at least try to maintain a fast pacing.
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Chalryn
Jul 9 2008, 07:27 PM
Tonight's episode only strengthens my support for the new captain material to eventually become canonical (is that the right term?) in some form or other, if at all possible. Amagai's suggestion of the joint training as a means to strengthen the Gotei 13 as a whole seems like a pretty logical idea, and Captain Ukitake made a fine point to support it. Amagai, himself, seems like a pretty likable character to be a new captain, aside from the whole drunkenness thing (I find it kind of obnoxious, especially with how often it happens), and he definitely seems pretty powerful. I'm still interested in how exactly his zanpakutou works, and what the full extent of its powers is, as well. (It's seeming more and more like it manipulates sound waves, or involves sound in some other way, perhaps.) Overall, he just seems to be a suitable character to be a new captain of the Gotei 13, with his leadership qualities and his idea for improving the Gotei 13 as a whole.
Kifune, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. At the moment, he's kind of seeming like a bit of a potential Aizen rip-off, just in the whole scheming/deceiving way. But, otherwise, he also seemed pretty likable up to this point. Looking forward to seeing how exactly he's involved with the recent events. I'm also interested in seeing more development of Kira.
Flame
Jul 10 2008, 05:50 AM
I haven't watched bleach until the episode with the new captain starting (The filler) has that ended yet? I just plain wasn't bothered about the filler so I'm skipping it. So should I start watching again? It's annoying that they had to cut an arc in half to put in a filler (The bount one I actually somewhat cared about and found at least a little interesting but this one I couldn't care less about) I honestly can't remember what happened just before the filler.
Someone please tell me when I can start watching again.
Chalryn
Jul 10 2008, 03:58 PM
It's still filler at the moment, and I imagine it'll continue to be filler for... at least another month or so? Anyway, if no one else does, I'll be sure to let you know when the filler's over.
Though, personally, I think you should give a few of the episodes a look. The stuff concerning the Kasumi-Ooji family isn't all that interesting, though the recent double-episode (176-177) of battles was neat. Specifically, though, I'd say give the Amagai Shuusuke episodes a look. (Those ep's are: 168, 172, and 179. Funny how an entire arc's named after Amagai, yet it focuses on the Kasumi-Ooji family.)
Eva
Aug 19 2008, 09:01 AM
I watched two episodes of the Bleach filler story. While it looked moderately interesting, I don't known if I want to put time into watching a filler arc. At least it isn't random filler episodes and it's an actual plot. I look at the filler arc as anime movie, except much longer. I'll figure out if I want to follow the filler arc, but I might as well ask for a couple of opinions.
Is it worth it or is it the usual Bleach action? Similar to Bount arc?
Chalryn
Aug 19 2008, 09:05 AM
QUOTE (Eva @ Aug 19 2008, 01:01 PM)

I watched two episodes of the Bleach filler story. While it looked moderately interesting, I don't known if I want to put time into watching a filler arc. At least it isn't random filler episodes and it's an actual plot. I look at the filler arc as anime movie, except much longer. I'll figure out if I want to follow the filler arc, but I might as well ask for a couple of opinions.
Is it worth it or is it the usual Bleach action? Similar to Bount arc?
It's kind of typical filler, plus a confusing timeline placement. (I've been looking at it like a "potential" post-Hueco Mundo.) As I said before, the stuff involving Amagai Shuusuke is pretty nice, but the whole Kasumi-Ooji family deal is, eh, alright, but nothing special, if you ask me. I pointed out the episodes focusing on the new captain, though the two parts of the storyline merged recently.
Eva
Aug 19 2008, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (Chalryn @ Aug 19 2008, 01:05 PM)

QUOTE (Eva @ Aug 19 2008, 01:01 PM)

I watched two episodes of the Bleach filler story. While it looked moderately interesting, I don't known if I want to put time into watching a filler arc. At least it isn't random filler episodes and it's an actual plot. I look at the filler arc as anime movie, except much longer. I'll figure out if I want to follow the filler arc, but I might as well ask for a couple of opinions.
Is it worth it or is it the usual Bleach action? Similar to Bount arc?
It's kind of typical filler, plus a confusing timeline placement. (I've been looking at it like a "potential" post-Hueco Mundo.) As I said before, the stuff involving Amagai Shuusuke is pretty nice, but the whole Kasumi-Ooji family deal is, eh, alright, but nothing special, if you ask me. I pointed out the episodes focusing on the new captain, though the two parts of the storyline merged recently.
I don't believe this filler arc is part of the Bleach timeline. The series just switched to this story in the middle of the main story plot, unlike Naruto and One Piece, that worked their filler arcs to begin after a certain event ended in the main plot. Unlike the first Bleach filler arc that ended when Ichigo and company return back to the human world.
I believe they had no choice. Where could you insert a filler arc? After Hueco Mundo? The battle is raging on in the manga and by the end, the series could be at it's end.
Chalryn
Aug 19 2008, 09:14 AM
Yeah, that's the other way I've been looking at it. (I've been a bit indecisive, but lately, I just haven't cared anyway.)
On the note of Amagai, I'm still hoping they fully explain how his weapons work. His actual zanpakutou was only released to its Shikai form recently (I was somewhat disappointed, but oh well), but haven't seen Bankai yet, and I'm curious about that other thing he used a few times, which seems to be compared to a tuning fork by some people.
Athrun
Aug 28 2008, 03:29 PM
Yeah I think they were waiting for a good time to start the fillers. Everyone was probably expecting the Huelco Mundo arc to end soon, but since it was prolonged indefinitely, they had no choice but to start the fillers right away. And I guess they didn't want to ruin the canon story by making up an excuse as for why they all returned to earth. So I think this was for the best anyway.
As for the fillers, I have seen two or three. It doesn't seem like it's very interesting though, but one thing I do like is that it shows more of some characters like Kira, and a little bit of Yoruichi (hope there's more of that). But the villains were pretty bad so far imo. They have some weapon that makes them stronger if they sacrifice their life. The funny thing is that even though one guy sacrificed his life for that power, it wasn't even enough to beat Chad. What a useless weapon...
And Nell agrees.
Chalryn
Sep 3 2008, 06:22 PM
Goddamnit. I guess I should've seen this coming, but... meh. Not only is there no real fight between Shūsuke vs. Tōshirō, but it seems Kifune wasn't the only one involved in the Kasumi-Ooji family's business.

They pretty much pulled an Aizen #2. *sigh* Well, anyway, I'm interested to see how things unfold from here on. Fillers should be wrapping up soon enough, I think...
Oh, though I am liking some of the newer tunes. Really like that A cappella-esque theme used in a few fights lately. Wish they'd release the third OST already. D:
Bleach: The Diamond Dust Rebellion should be released by DB in the near future. The DVD was just released a couple of days ago. I can't wait! Diamond Dust Rebellion looked quite interesting, unlike recent movies released by Naruto and One Piece, none of them have produce movies that peak my interest recently.
Theferrell
Sep 8 2008, 12:48 PM
Woo, I'm excited for Diamond Dust Rebellion.
But to be honest, I can't wait for the filler to be over. It's cool and all, but I really want to see Nell kick butt!!! (and BTW, how the crap are they gonna pull this transition??)
Chalryn
Sep 8 2008, 01:11 PM
The DiamondDust Rebellion was great. Probably going to watch it again in the near future.
And yeah, I'd really love to get back to the main story soon, if possible. The filler's been relatively interesting, though I would just like to get back now. Really looking forward to a handful of fights, as well as the later events involving Espada 1-3.
QUOTE (Chalryn @ Sep 8 2008, 05:11 PM)

The DiamondDust Rebellion was great. Probably going to watch it again in the near future.
And yeah, I'd really love to get back to the main story soon, if possible. The filler's been relatively interesting, though I would just like to get back now. Really looking forward to a handful of fights, as well as the later events involving Espada 1-3.
I agree. I just watched it today. I loved it!
The first Bleach movie was decent, but not as good as this one that involved the majority of the Bleach cast. While I am not fan of Hitsugaya Toushiro, I'm glad the movie star another character instead of Ichigo. We get enough of Ichigo during the regular series, so I to focus on a different character during a movie of the series. How can you hate movie level animation compared to regular TV animation?
You or another person should make a post when the series is heading back to main plot. I'm not following Bleach at all since I don't have a interest to follow the fillers at the moment.
Chalryn
Sep 8 2008, 06:39 PM
I'll be sure to update when things are back on track, if somebody else doesn't beat me to it. I don't think it should be much longer. Seems like things are starting to wrap up, so maybe... a month or so? If not sooner.
Theferrell
Sep 10 2008, 01:12 PM
Ya, what the crap is going on now with the filler??? Old guy is dead, Capitano jacks young chick, Runs to other Old Bad-A with her.... What's up their sleeves???
I too wish Hitsugaya's and 3 division captain's fight was longer. That could have been UBER sweet. I think that was only a small taste of things to come IMO.
I'm glad the filler went in this direction, honestly, I was getting a little bored

P.S. Have D.D.R. downloaded, but haven't watched it yet

Too busy with new grad school stuff...
Chalryn
Sep 10 2008, 05:56 PM
WHAT. THE. F***. It's somewhat humorous, but seriously, that's going way too far, concerning Enryuu's voice. =\
Anyway, I guess "Shuusuke Amagai" isn't really pulling an Aizen after all, aside from the surprise of the betrayal.
His bakkoutou seems pretty threatening, but eh. Negation of shinigami powers (except his own) isn't very original, so I guess it just isn't very impressive to me, other than the specific fact that it
swipes Ryuujin Jakka aside as if it's nothing.
His zanpakutou's bankai, on the other hand:


Raika Gouen Kaku. ...Seems pretty impressive, though not particularly creative (at the moment), aside from its physical design. Actually, on that note, it's really... weird. It seems like a huge shield with a sword sticking out of the bottom. And I say bottom because of how he holds it (as shown in the second pic). To attack, he seems to spin it over his head with both hands (like when Ikkaku is charging Ryuumon Houzukimaru) and then strike the ground with the curled end of the blade, releasing flames from both the front (primarily) and back of his zanpakutou.
As I said before, the betrayal's a bit of a letdown, but I'll keep watching, to see how things unfold, anyway. (Not like I have anything better to do.) Seems like the filler should probably be over by the end of next month, I think. (For some reason, they seem to be skipping two weeks after next week's episode. Bummer.)
Theferrell
Sep 18 2008, 10:17 AM
Horay for the Vaizard mask coming back out!!!

I was excited when that happened, can't ya tell

Also, looks like another moronic soul has lost their consciousness to the Bakkotu. This WILL end interestingly. I withdraw my comment on the filler ending soon, this IS interesting!!!
Chalryn
Sep 18 2008, 10:49 AM
I'm still pretty certain it's ending soon, lol. Probably sooner than you'd like, at this pace.
I've somewhat lost interest ever since Shuusuke was revealed as a bad guy. =\
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya Shuusuke Amagai. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
Raika seems strange, but neat. That attack he used that took off half of Ichigo's mask seemed pretty ridiculous (and more befitting of a bankai than his previous attacks, really). I just really would've preferred if Shuusuke remained the replacement captain, 'cause he really seemed like a promising one. Even putting that aside, the way that he was revealed as a bad guy was pretty much just ripping off Sousuke's betrayal, and his motive is really painfully cliché. (Have they even thoroughly explained why his father was killed yet? I forget.)
But, despite this, I'm still watching. May as well finish up the arc, and see how things conclude.
And on the note of arcs, I guess this means Hueco Mundo will just be divided into a "Part 1" and a "Part 2?"
Theferrell
Sep 22 2008, 12:10 PM
As an answer to your question.
NO!!!!
They'll probably do it this week while Amagi is down for the count right before he shoves off to wherever-you-go-after-you-die-when-you're-already-dead.... (I'm still confused with this concept...)