Pink Bug is seen in Episode 2 as King's Punching Bag. He talked in Episode 1, and when one completed a very easy sidequest of "Finding Tom", he took a snapshot of Shion. Later, he sent Shion the picture in an email, and a transperrent Allen can be seen in the background. Pink Bug wonders if that is a friendly spirit or a guardian angel for Shion or something.
By the way, the info on Margulis is found in the DS game - which most likely won't be coming as it wasn't at E3, as well as Jin and his grandfather. I'll black it.
Margulis is one of the People of the Zohar, as is Jin, his grandfather, and Shion. Pellegri too, most members of Ormus are. Remember, by the way... Sharon and Joaquin in Pied Piper, were People of the Zohar as well.
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Figured they had something to do with that. Especially since Shion's parents were involved in the project, and she had a dream about touching the Original.
Maybe the ghost thing is just hinting to Allen's death in Episode III! There have been rumours and theories (though nothing more) that he could die... and I think if he does die it will be protecting Shion...
No DS at E3? It's looking like it won't come out anywhere but Japan then? Which is odd Considering it is supposed to be Canon but we know that Episode III is coming to America (and hopefully PAL)...
No DS at E3? It's looking like it won't come out anywhere but Japan then? Which is odd Considering it is supposed to be Canon but we know that Episode III is coming to America (and hopefully PAL)...
About Pellegri's Federation outfit, her official bio has been translated and it explains it:
"The CG image is from 15 years ago, as she appeared around the time she was a soldier of the Galaxy Federation. It seems she had some kind of connection with Jin at that time, and the episode where this can be guessed might perhaps be glimpsed."
So I guess that means there's no betrayal in sight =p . Margulis' bio is done too, it did mention something about his sword skills:
"A master of the sword with unparalleled ruthlessness, his true ability surpasses Jin's."
So technically he should be stronger than Jin, but as we've already seen a few times that doesn't mean he'll win.
"The CG image is from 15 years ago, as she appeared around the time she was a soldier of the Galaxy Federation. It seems she had some kind of connection with Jin at that time, and the episode where this can be guessed might perhaps be glimpsed."
So I guess that means there's no betrayal in sight =p . Margulis' bio is done too, it did mention something about his sword skills:
"A master of the sword with unparalleled ruthlessness, his true ability surpasses Jin's."
So technically he should be stronger than Jin, but as we've already seen a few times that doesn't mean he'll win.
QUOTE (Xerno @ May 21 2006, 12:36 PM) 
So I guess that means there's no betrayal in sight =p . Margulis' bio is done too, it did mention something about his sword skills:
I already translated it a few posts ago. No one appreciates my effort....
QUOTE (Xerno)
"A master of the sword with unparalleled ruthlessness, his true ability surpasses Jin's."
It says his true ability. That means there may be more to him than he has shown so far.
QUOTE (Athrun)
I already translated it a few posts ago. No one appreciates my effort....
Aww, but you know I'm skilled in overlooking things. xD
QUOTE (Athrun)
It says his true ability. That means there may be more to him than he has shown so far.
Probably so. But he did seem quite eager to finish Jin off in Labyrinthos, he even shouts in battle: "I'll show you how different we are!". And he did have that very cheap instant-kill-to-the-entire-party attack if you gave him the chance to power it up. Perhaps it's just referring to those abilities, since he really seemed like he wanted to kill Jin I don't see why he'd still hold back his true ability.
Or maybe, he hasn't learned how to master it yet. But I do expect him to be even stronger in Episode III, it wouldn't be much of a showdown otherwise. =p
Well since this is the next game, they could have just said "His abilities suprasses Jin's"
Adding the "true" part seems to suggest to me that there is something we haven't seen yet. I may be wrong, but who would be surprised if he has some sort of Gnosis form really?
Pfft, you even replied to that post. But only about Margulis scar.
Adding the "true" part seems to suggest to me that there is something we haven't seen yet. I may be wrong, but who would be surprised if he has some sort of Gnosis form really?
QUOTE (Xerno)
Aww, but you know I'm skilled in overlooking things. xD
Pfft, you even replied to that post. But only about Margulis scar.
Well I donno. That Ziggy and MOMO vs Margulis fight was quite insane. I'm not sure if Jin is capable of taking ceveral Cyber Kicks to the face like Margulis is. And then, an entire building fell on him right after he lost his eye, and he still managed to make it off the planet before it got sent to the abyss. But then, that's just me.
Anyway. He still might not have inherited the grandfather's technique. Jin sure acts like it. He might soon, though. Or something.
You know what, I still want to see more of Shion's sword fighting.
Anyway. He still might not have inherited the grandfather's technique. Jin sure acts like it. He might soon, though. Or something.
You know what, I still want to see more of Shion's sword fighting.
QUOTE (Denim)
Anyway. He still might not have inherited the grandfather's technique. Jin sure acts like it. He might soon, though. Or something.
Now that you mention it, Jin does imply that Margulis has not yet mastered it fully: "I told you. I won't allow a monster like you to inherit my grandfather's technique." But now in XSIII another year has passed, so perhaps now he might have mastered it. Either way, it definitely seems he'll be even more powerful this time than he already was.
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You know what, I still want to see more of Shion's sword fighting.
I'm suprised that she could suddenly use a sword in Episode II... but I guess it's not that shocking when you consider that her out-of-battle moves often features kicks... She can destroy metal crates and stuff by kicking them... maybe she is a kung foo fighter al along, I guess it's not so rediculous to assume that maybe Jin or her grandfather taught her some of the skills for self-defence if nothing else. I just wish she'd drop that laser thing.
QUOTE (Flame @ May 21 2006, 07:18 PM)
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You know what, I still want to see more of Shion's sword fighting.
I'm suprised that she could suddenly use a sword in Episode II... but I guess it's not that shocking when you consider that her out-of-battle moves often features kicks... She can destroy metal crates and stuff by kicking them... maybe she is a kung foo fighter al along, I guess it's not so rediculous to assume that maybe Jin or her grandfather taught her some of the skills for self-defence if nothing else. I just wish she'd drop that laser thing.
Episode 1's database mentions that Shion is very skilled in martial arts that she was taught by her grandfather, as was Jin. Which makes me wonder if Shion's grandfather survived the Miltia incident as Shion makes a reference to her family near the begining of Episode 1 ("My family is always wondering: how did YOU get assigned to first devision?!"), implying she has more than a brother. Seriously, teaching a 4-8 year old maybe easier than teaching someone older, but it is supposed to take a lot of practice, too.
Besides, the databse also mentioned "Perhaps we'll be able to see more of her skills in the following episode."
It also says the same thing for Jin, except it's an apology. "We apologize to all of those who wanted to see him in action in this episode...", because of the way the trailer showed him and Margulis fighting.
As mentioned before Flame, you're missing out on a lot by not playing Episode 1. You should try importing and that Swap Magic thing.
There seems to be so many little bits and bobs that I'm missing out on... I doubt I'd be missing out so much if they would have included a database for Episode II... I'm glad it's returning for Episode III.
And yes, I'm going to be buying Episode 1 when I go to American in a month and I'm also going to buy that Swap Magic soon so I should catch up before Episode III's release... if it is released in this country... :s (it's a little disheartening that Grandia III & Shadow Hearts:FTNW didn't get picked up... but Dragon Quest VIII and Magna carta have, it's a shame I'm not crazy about getting either game).
And yes, I'm going to be buying Episode 1 when I go to American in a month and I'm also going to buy that Swap Magic soon so I should catch up before Episode III's release... if it is released in this country... :s (it's a little disheartening that Grandia III & Shadow Hearts:FTNW didn't get picked up... but Dragon Quest VIII and Magna carta have, it's a shame I'm not crazy about getting either game).
Xenosaga: Episode III commercial
http://www.jeux-france.com/downloads5975_m...nosaga-iii.html
The game will be out soon in Japan. Just two more weeks.
http://www.jeux-france.com/downloads5975_m...nosaga-iii.html
The game will be out soon in Japan. Just two more weeks.
anyone (don't think me perverted or anything. i'm just a guy) kind of disappointed that they are changing KOS-MOS's character model so she no longer shows her stomach or bottom cleavage?
not that that's the only reason i would play the game, it's just that it feels, to me, that they wimped out in the american market.
why edit that part of kos-mos?
so it shows some cleavage and stomach
it's not like that's a criminal offense
i'm just saying
not that that's the only reason i would play the game, it's just that it feels, to me, that they wimped out in the american market.
why edit that part of kos-mos?
so it shows some cleavage and stomach
it's not like that's a criminal offense
i'm just saying
Kos-mos third outfit should make you happy then.
she has three costumes?
man, i didn't know
i haven't really read this thing cause i'm kind of a spoiler-phobe and i didn't want to be spoiled
just that i saw the video interview on ign.com and that showed kos-mos in her standard outfit and i thought that's what she looked like in the game
disregard my last post then
and do you mind posting a link to all the xeno character's different costumes
i didn't know that there were alternate costumes
i just thought there was one costume they had on and the swimsuits
man, i didn't know
i haven't really read this thing cause i'm kind of a spoiler-phobe and i didn't want to be spoiled
just that i saw the video interview on ign.com and that showed kos-mos in her standard outfit and i thought that's what she looked like in the game
disregard my last post then
and do you mind posting a link to all the xeno character's different costumes
i didn't know that there were alternate costumes
i just thought there was one costume they had on and the swimsuits
Has anyone posted the news about the new planet and the revised ES battle?
If not:
If not:
QUOTE ('BlueLaguna.net')
Bandai Namco Games today announced some new bits of information regarding its upcoming PlayStation 2 RPG Xenosaga Episode III: Also sprach Zarathustra (Thus spoke Zarathustra). The game's robot battles have undergone massive changes. Once the player chooses to attack with a particular mecha (E.S. unit), the respective unit's energy gauge will decrease depending on the equipped weapon. If there is enough energy left, players will be able to attack more than once during one turn as well. However, since energy consumption differs from weapon to weapon, it will be important to keep on eye on the gauge. The battle system will furthermore allow for chain attacks.
During mech battles, players will have the following five commands on their disposal: attack, anima awakening, item, charge and escape. Every time one of your party's mechs is being hit by an enemy, its anima gauge will fill up. Once its completely filled up, players will be able to use the anima awakening command. Once the anima has been activated, the respective mech's energy consumption will drop and it will be immune to status attacks. This status will also effect the number of turns and allow players to use certain death blows. Enemies however will also be able to resort to this system.
Customization of your E.S. units also makes a return from Episode I, as Episode III will allow players to upgrade five different parts of the unit (weapons, armor frame, generator, CPU and disk). Of particular interest are CPUs and disks. The latter will for instance determine how much HP a E.S. unit can recover while charging or increase the amount of experience points players do receive after battle. A high-priced CPU will allow the player to use more disks, thereby enhancing the functions of their mech.
With the planet Miktam, the developing team at Monolith Soft also revealed a new location. A deserted planet, no humans live on Miktam anymore, following a certain incident in the past.
During mech battles, players will have the following five commands on their disposal: attack, anima awakening, item, charge and escape. Every time one of your party's mechs is being hit by an enemy, its anima gauge will fill up. Once its completely filled up, players will be able to use the anima awakening command. Once the anima has been activated, the respective mech's energy consumption will drop and it will be immune to status attacks. This status will also effect the number of turns and allow players to use certain death blows. Enemies however will also be able to resort to this system.
Customization of your E.S. units also makes a return from Episode I, as Episode III will allow players to upgrade five different parts of the unit (weapons, armor frame, generator, CPU and disk). Of particular interest are CPUs and disks. The latter will for instance determine how much HP a E.S. unit can recover while charging or increase the amount of experience points players do receive after battle. A high-priced CPU will allow the player to use more disks, thereby enhancing the functions of their mech.
With the planet Miktam, the developing team at Monolith Soft also revealed a new location. A deserted planet, no humans live on Miktam anymore, following a certain incident in the past.
KOS-MOS has a fourth outfit as well. In her case it's more than just outfits. Those are different model bodies for her. The fourth is apparently her final one.
I'll see if I can find pics of their outfits later.
I'll see if I can find pics of their outfits later.
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With the planet Miktam, the developing team at Monolith Soft also revealed a new location. A deserted planet, no humans live on Miktam anymore, following a certain incident in the past.
It sounds like it might be the planet where Kevin fled from in his youth, when the woman who handed him the pendant died (his mother, I guess).
Namco already put up an English mini-site for Episode III, but not the official English site yet (there's a grayed-out link to what I guess will soon be said official site). There's very little on it (compared to the goodness of the Japanese site =p ), but meh: nothing new here, really
Still no set American release date, even though I've already seen various different ones on other sites (gee, I wonder why? =P ).
It probably is, Xerno. Plus, according to DS game, it's said he was a Person of the Zohar, and all People of the Zohar hail from Michtam because it is a bloodline that originated there. Plus, that's where Pied Piper took place, and that's the only mention outside of DS about people of the Zohar.
Oh ok, then it most likely is the same place. Either way, the place will apparently be fully explored:
Michtam in all its desolate... uhm, glory. The building to the left side is the GFPD (Galaxy Federation Police Department) that was already shown in an older screenshot. But that doesn't seem to be the only familiar place from Ziggy's Pied Piper story:
A huge cathedral, and inside we can see the identation of a Zohar. (Pied Piper spoilers) So I guess this must be the cathedral where Sharon and Joaquin died in front of Ziggy's eyes. And it seems that plate with the empty Zohar slot leads to an underground research area of some kind. Michtam looks like another interesting area (but it doesn't beat the Floating Continent, nuh-uh =P ).
Michtam in all its desolate... uhm, glory. The building to the left side is the GFPD (Galaxy Federation Police Department) that was already shown in an older screenshot. But that doesn't seem to be the only familiar place from Ziggy's Pied Piper story:
A huge cathedral, and inside we can see the identation of a Zohar. (Pied Piper spoilers) So I guess this must be the cathedral where Sharon and Joaquin died in front of Ziggy's eyes. And it seems that plate with the empty Zohar slot leads to an underground research area of some kind. Michtam looks like another interesting area (but it doesn't beat the Floating Continent, nuh-uh =P ).
I'm REALLY gonna have to read the script... I only wish there was an emulation for the game... and someone translated it 
It looks like Ziggy will feature heavily on this planet... I'm glad that we get to see some of Ziggy's story finally and it isn't all only featured in Pied Piper. I also can't wait to understand Chaos' story as well and finally work out who and what he is...
Nice Screens Xerno, although it doesn't look the most asphetically intresting place I have a feeling that it will include a lot of intresting plot development. Isn't this also the place that Caanan appears to switch sides?
It looks like Ziggy will feature heavily on this planet... I'm glad that we get to see some of Ziggy's story finally and it isn't all only featured in Pied Piper. I also can't wait to understand Chaos' story as well and finally work out who and what he is...
Nice Screens Xerno, although it doesn't look the most asphetically intresting place I have a feeling that it will include a lot of intresting plot development. Isn't this also the place that Caanan appears to switch sides?
QUOTE (Flame)
Isn't this also the place that Caanan appears to switch sides?
I wasn't sure about this (didn't really think of it), but now I checked some older screens with Voyager, and:
<---> That church window in the background is identical, it's the exact same pattern. So yes, it would seem it's the same place. Bùt, I'm not sure if Ziggy getting ambushed by Voyager and Canaan switching sides takes place in the same scene, so it might still not be. But that place looked similar in design either way, so it's probably somewhere in that area.
And having a confrontation with Voyager in that place would be quite epic (especially in the cathedral, which you'll understand if you've read the Pied Piper script =P ).
The Canaan scene looked like it was taking place outside. So I doubt that's it.
Just saw this while browsing the net, apparently this is what the Japanese cover will look like:
Quite nice, and once again KOS-MOS poses on the cover.
There's also a rip of some tracks from the game going round on the net, I assume from the demo (can't post a link, obviously =P ). I've listened to it, and I guess it sounds good enough (but I still miss Mitsuda's work). I think I've heard 3 battle themes, one of which I'm sure was in the demo. Imo they're lacking the right pace, but the 3rd one was better (though it sounds like it could also be used for an action scene, might not be a battle theme).
From what I've heard so far, the music still won't be a strong point for me. It's not bad, but not the kind I was hoping to hear. But it's not a big deal. xP
Quite nice, and once again KOS-MOS poses on the cover.
There's also a rip of some tracks from the game going round on the net, I assume from the demo (can't post a link, obviously =P ). I've listened to it, and I guess it sounds good enough (but I still miss Mitsuda's work). I think I've heard 3 battle themes, one of which I'm sure was in the demo. Imo they're lacking the right pace, but the 3rd one was better (though it sounds like it could also be used for an action scene, might not be a battle theme).
From what I've heard so far, the music still won't be a strong point for me. It's not bad, but not the kind I was hoping to hear. But it's not a big deal. xP
Nice cover. I'm not surprised that KOS-MOS is on it, for the third time. But maybe they'll change the US version again.
Well, for every game so far, we've had KOS MOS be the largest part of the cover. It only makes the last one is like that.
2 new scans:
This one mainly seems to be about Wilhelm and Albedo.
And this one shows us Kevin and Virgil (it's too bad that the textbox convo between Kevin and Shion is too blurry to read... not like I could read it anyway =P ). And in the upper right I think it's showing that huge puzzle mini-game that I mentioned long ago. And also some info on the Xenopedia (that's the Keywords Database, right?).
So these scans are mainly about Wilhelm and the Testaments, looks good. ^^
This one mainly seems to be about Wilhelm and Albedo.
And this one shows us Kevin and Virgil (it's too bad that the textbox convo between Kevin and Shion is too blurry to read... not like I could read it anyway =P ). And in the upper right I think it's showing that huge puzzle mini-game that I mentioned long ago. And also some info on the Xenopedia (that's the Keywords Database, right?).
So these scans are mainly about Wilhelm and the Testaments, looks good. ^^
Wilhelm's age is listed for the first time, and it says that he's only 20 years old.
Did the Galaxy Federation put a teenager in charge of the whole galaxy?
Kevin's age is listed as 26 still. I guess since their bodies don't age, they still keep their original age?
In the first picture of Wilhelm, you can see a red Gear in the background.
That one seems to belong to Kevin, and is called E.S. Yuda.
Albedo's white Gear is still called E.S. Simeon, but it looks very different.
Did the Galaxy Federation put a teenager in charge of the whole galaxy?
Kevin's age is listed as 26 still. I guess since their bodies don't age, they still keep their original age?
In the first picture of Wilhelm, you can see a red Gear in the background.
That one seems to belong to Kevin, and is called E.S. Yuda.
Albedo's white Gear is still called E.S. Simeon, but it looks very different.
Nice scans... nothing paticulaly new except Kevin's ES... I am intrested in how his story plays out, Are the testements even our enemy right now? With Albedo and Voyager it's not hard to see that they will be our enemies but right now (now being the end of episode II) I don't think we know enough for them to be our enemies... Then again, there was that encounter at the end of Episode I but it was really all quite confusing. I guess the only one who knows much will be chaos.
I personally liked the cover to the UK Episode II cover...
I couldn't find a bigger picture sadly. It does sorta make the game seem like it's going to be a motorbike racing game though...
I personally liked the cover to the UK Episode II cover...
I couldn't find a bigger picture sadly. It does sorta make the game seem like it's going to be a motorbike racing game though...
QUOTE (Athrun)
Kevin's age is listed as 26 still. I guess since their bodies don't age, they still keep their original age?
I think so, yes. Since they're dead they obviously don't age physically (as you said), so they keep the age they died at. Voyager's bio lists his age as appearing to be 28 as well, which was his age in Pied Piper (but technically the guy is more than a 100 years old).
QUOTE (Flame)
I am intrested in how his story plays out, Are the testements even our enemy right now? With Albedo and Voyager it's not hard to see that they will be our enemies but right now (now being the end of episode II) I don't think we know enough for them to be our enemies...
Perhaps not all of them are truly evil, but I still expect we'll have to defeat them. Lol, Voyager just has to go; all the stuff he did in Pied Piper makes me hate his character a lot. And Albedo is most likely not gonna invite Rubedo for a cup of tea either.
We'll probably have to deal with Virgil as well (though his connection with Febronia might perhpas complicate things). But I still wonder how Kevin's story will turn out (though I still expect to fight him at some point). Wether they're truly enemies or not, I think we'll still face each of them in battle at some point.
Anima Relics have the names - the E.S themselves are just glorified AMWS without them. So if an Anima Relic is transplanted into something else (like in Xeno DS, which tells us about this), it has it's name (IE: look at Scutum and Pilum, one of them has ES Gad written on it).
So Albedo's mech is probably completely different, but it uses the same Anima Relic.
And, Hiku, I think "Judah" is the better translation, as it fits in with the Biblical names of Joseph's (I think it was Joseph) children.
So Albedo's mech is probably completely different, but it uses the same Anima Relic.
And, Hiku, I think "Judah" is the better translation, as it fits in with the Biblical names of Joseph's (I think it was Joseph) children.
QUOTE (Denim)
And, Hiku, I think "Judah" is the better translation, as it fits in with the Biblical names of Joseph's (I think it was Joseph) children.
ES Judah has just been added to the official Japanese site, so that would be correct =p . Wilhelm, Kevin, Albedo and Virgil have all been added, but only 3 new ES were added. ES Judah, ES Napthali and ES Simeon (as of yet, they didn't add Wilhelm's Gear to the list).
We already knew ES Dan is Voyager's, ES Simeon is obvioulsy Albedo's, ES Napthali is Virgil's (going by some info from XSI-II DS), so that does indeed leave ES Judah for Kevin then.
Edit: The E3 trailer is now available on Gamespot (right here). It's exactly the same as what I uploaded earlier, except this time there's no background noise. So now you can clearly hear what is being said. And now I'm also quite sure that T-elos is voiced by Bridget Hoffman (KOS-MOS Epi. 1 voice). So I expect she will also voice KOS-MOS again.
QUOTE (Denim @ Jun 2 2006, 01:57 AM)
Anima Relics have the names - the E.S themselves are just glorified AMWS without them. So if an Anima Relic is transplanted into something else (like in Xeno DS, which tells us about this), it has it's name (IE: look at Scutum and Pilum, one of them has ES Gad written on it).
Interesting. I didn't know about that. That would explain why his E.S. looks so different.
QUOTE (Denim)
And, Hiku, I think "Judah" is the better translation, as it fits in with the Biblical names of Joseph's (I think it was Joseph) children.
Yeah I was going to add a part after, wondering if it's refering to Judas perhaps, but since I based that on your leaked info on the name of Wilhelm's Gear, I removed it.
So is Judah the same person as Judas, or are they two different people? Because if he is, then perhaps Kevin will betray Wilhelm?
(And I don't think I have to remind you Denim, but no confirmations of any sort.)
QUOTE (Xerno)
And now I'm also quite sure that T-elos is voiced by Bridget Hoffman (KOS-MOS Epi. 1 voice). So I expect she will also voice KOS-MOS again.
I definitely hope so. If they could only get back chaos original voice as well, things would be perfect.
Nah, Judah's a completely different person. He was one of the sons of that one dude whose offspring the ES are named after (although many of them formed the tribes of Israel, Dinah is an ES, and she didn't have a tribe), and this was waaaaaaay before Jesus and Judas.
But if you want to mix it with Judas, I think you could think of it as Kevin betraying Shion... in a way. Since he is antagonistic in creating T-ELOS. Also, Judas betrayed Jesus -> Yeshua, so you'd have to think in terms of chaos. The DS game had Wilhelm tell chaos that "all the anima relics belonged to [chaos] and that [chaos] is everywhere that they are". Kevin is utializing an ES and stands against chaos. Thus, having an Anima Relic betray chaos. But again, Judah and Judas have nothing to do with each other other than similar names. I mean, there's tons of Davids in the Bible too.
As for the Anima Relics. In Xenogears, each Omnigear had an individual name, but all were aligned with Anima Relics of the same name as an ES. Pilum and Scutum are technically ES, but they simply chose (I guess) not to be called by the names of their relics.
But if you want to mix it with Judas, I think you could think of it as Kevin betraying Shion... in a way. Since he is antagonistic in creating T-ELOS. Also, Judas betrayed Jesus -> Yeshua, so you'd have to think in terms of chaos. The DS game had Wilhelm tell chaos that "all the anima relics belonged to [chaos] and that [chaos] is everywhere that they are". Kevin is utializing an ES and stands against chaos. Thus, having an Anima Relic betray chaos. But again, Judah and Judas have nothing to do with each other other than similar names. I mean, there's tons of Davids in the Bible too.
As for the Anima Relics. In Xenogears, each Omnigear had an individual name, but all were aligned with Anima Relics of the same name as an ES. Pilum and Scutum are technically ES, but they simply chose (I guess) not to be called by the names of their relics.
"Let's go, Yeoshua."
Could that mean that the green ES in the background belongs to chaos maybe? I would imagine that Wilhelm's ES looks more special, but who knows.
The text on the site however says something like this. "Wilhelm shares the same eye color as KOS-MOS. Is this an indication of someone who is not really human?"
I can see a very big Compass of Order in the background.
KOS-MOS looks very serious here, like she's expression emotions of anger.
There is a skill that allows you to use Blue-eyes KOS-MOS in battle. She has different abilities than normal KOS-MOS.
Again, the same background as with Allen's fight.
I'm starting to think that whole chunk happens near the end.
A gigantic compass of order... Albedo!
By the way, in the end of Episode 2, wasn't Wilhelm's ES white? That red one is obviously Kevin's, and the green one. Maybe it's an Omega... Hm. Because I doubt chaos is going to have an Anima Relic align to him. It was heavily hinted everyone of them is aligned to him - or something like that.
I'm starting to think that whole chunk happens near the end.
A gigantic compass of order... Albedo!
By the way, in the end of Episode 2, wasn't Wilhelm's ES white? That red one is obviously Kevin's, and the green one. Maybe it's an Omega... Hm. Because I doubt chaos is going to have an Anima Relic align to him. It was heavily hinted everyone of them is aligned to him - or something like that.
QUOTE (Athrun)
The text on the site however says something like this. "Wilhelm shares the same eye color as KOS-MOS. Is this an indication of someone who is not really human?"
On the same note, chaos' eye color is similar to true KOS-MOS'. But not identical, chaos has translucent blue eyes (as his official description has always stated, I was slightly annoyed how it looked more like green in the previous episodes).
<---> 
<-(*)-> 
*Actually, it seems closer to T-elos' eye color. Ahem, aaanyway xD :
QUOTE (Denim)
By the way, in the end of Episode 2, wasn't Wilhelm's ES white?
Something like that, it looked a bit darker... more grey-ish. Maybe it was supposed to be some kind of silver (hard to tell with that spotlight shining on it while Wilhelm is talking >_> ).
Yeah chaos eye color looks very much like T-elos. And Wilhelm has the same as KOS-MOS. But chaos seems like a real person, and even T-elos seems more alive than KOS-MOS.
I don't know about Wilhelm though. He seems the same as chaos in many ways, except I haven't seen him get upset or emotional yet, so he seems static like Kos-mos more than chaos does.
Perhaps chaos and Wilhelm are the same as KOS-MOS in some way.
But that green E.S. in the background makes me wonder. Wilhelm is asking chaos to come with him. If it's not chaos E.S. then there's perhaps another green testament, because Wilhelm has it ready standing next to Kevin's. His second in command.
Remember what Virgil once said to chaos in Episode 1. "Isn't that right, boss?"
I don't know about Wilhelm though. He seems the same as chaos in many ways, except I haven't seen him get upset or emotional yet, so he seems static like Kos-mos more than chaos does.
Perhaps chaos and Wilhelm are the same as KOS-MOS in some way.
But that green E.S. in the background makes me wonder. Wilhelm is asking chaos to come with him. If it's not chaos E.S. then there's perhaps another green testament, because Wilhelm has it ready standing next to Kevin's. His second in command.
Remember what Virgil once said to chaos in Episode 1. "Isn't that right, boss?"
QUOTE (Athrun)
I don't know about Wilhelm though. He seems the same as chaos in many ways, except I haven't seen him get upset or emotional yet, so he seems static like Kos-mos more than chaos does.
Perhaps chaos and Wilhelm are the same as KOS-MOS in some way.
Perhaps chaos and Wilhelm are the same as KOS-MOS in some way.
Well, there have already been rumors about that for quite a while. Shortly before the release of Episode 2 some info was apparently "leaked", but they were still just considered rumors. But so far most of those rumors have turned out correct (for the most part), and it did mention something about the connection between the 3 of them. It's been posted a couple of times before, but I'm gonna black it out either way. It's still a rumor, but it's probably close to the truth (and let me be clear that this info is not in any way from Epi. 3 ^^'' ):
The original KOS-MOS prototype was the same as chaos a long long time ago, existing as wave beings (maybe similar to the wave existence?). It was later stolen by Wilhelm for his own personal plans. chaos is hoping to turn KOS-MOS back into her original form (it is possible that chaos is, in fact, a part of U-DO itself).
I made some further speculations about that info in an old topic, but I'll leave that out of here for now.
Well somehow I don't think that one is exactly accurate. Because the main Xenosaga site is hinting a connection between KOS-MOS and Wilhelm, and that he may not be human.
So it would be hard for him to steal the first "KOS-MOS" if he is one himself, is what I mean. But I still believe it's very possible that both Wilhelm and chaos share the same background, and possibly with KOS-MOS as well.
Maybe they are people from the wave dimension, inside artificial bodies.
So it would be hard for him to steal the first "KOS-MOS" if he is one himself, is what I mean. But I still believe it's very possible that both Wilhelm and chaos share the same background, and possibly with KOS-MOS as well.
Maybe they are people from the wave dimension, inside artificial bodies.
That's what I was thinking, that... uhm, I'll just black this out too then:
... that all 3 of them were wave beings in the past, but that Wilhelm "detached" himself from that realm, taking KOS-MOS with him (for whatever he needs her for) and leaving chaos behind.
Or something like that, but that's pure speculation. So basically I also think that they are from the wave dimension (but perhaps in a different way than what I'm thinking).
... that all 3 of them were wave beings in the past, but that Wilhelm "detached" himself from that realm, taking KOS-MOS with him (for whatever he needs her for) and leaving chaos behind.
Or something like that, but that's pure speculation. So basically I also think that they are from the wave dimension (but perhaps in a different way than what I'm thinking).
I wonder where T-elos fits in all of this then.
But I just noticed something on Kevin's E.S. (A bit late.)
Is that the Ethos logo on it's head?
But I just noticed something on Kevin's E.S. (A bit late.)
Is that the Ethos logo on it's head?
It's similar, but not identical. The Ethos symbol looked like this:
Though on a sidenote, the Ormus organisation shares some similarities with Xenogears' Ethos. But I don't know what the Ormus logo looks like, I can't seem to find it (if they have one, but probably).
Edit: Found it, this is the Ormus logo:
The shape of the cross looks similar to the logo on the ES, but there still seem to be some slight differences (then again, this isn't an in-game pic of the Ormus logo).
Though on a sidenote, the Ormus organisation shares some similarities with Xenogears' Ethos. But I don't know what the Ormus logo looks like, I can't seem to find it (if they have one, but probably).
Edit: Found it, this is the Ormus logo:
The shape of the cross looks similar to the logo on the ES, but there still seem to be some slight differences (then again, this isn't an in-game pic of the Ormus logo).
I'm confused now who exactly KOS-MOS is... I know there is more to KOS-MOS than meets the eye but surly she is still a Robot created by Man... I need to do a lot of catching up obviously.
Well when KOS-MOS gets her blue eyes, she seems like more than just a machine.
Yes I agree totally, but do we know anymore about Blue Eyed KOS-MOS than that? Surley That has more to do with Kevin than chaos or Wilhelm. I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the connection. I think when it comes to matters of Wilhelm and True KOS-MOS I'll have to wait to play the third game... though are there any references in the first game I might have missed?
Not exactly, because Kevin is just a human, or was. As for chaos and (especially) Wilhelm, they seem different from humans. They've both lived for centuries without aging, and Wilhelm's calm and composed manner without expressing emotions reminds me a bit of KOS-MOS. The official site now mentions some connection between the two.
References you may have missed? Well in Episode 1 chaos visits KOS-MOS sleeping in the Elsa and says "I wonder where the real you is?"
KOS-MOS: "Will feeling pain make me complete?"
KOS-MOS was created by Vector. And Wilhelm owns that company.
References you may have missed? Well in Episode 1 chaos visits KOS-MOS sleeping in the Elsa and says "I wonder where the real you is?"
KOS-MOS: "Will feeling pain make me complete?"
KOS-MOS was created by Vector. And Wilhelm owns that company.
Ah yes, I totally forgot that Wilhelm owns Vector. The quote from Chaos is also very intresting. I see the connection a bit more now.
What intrests me is why KOS-MOS and Shion seemed to be protecting the Y-Data in MOMO. I really can't wait to Play episode I so I can be totally up to date. So is KOS-MOS supposed to be a way for whoever or whatever is the real KOS-MOS to have a psysical body? If it IS something to do with U-DO and where do the Gnosis actually fit in with this? There is also a mysterious Connection between Shion and KOS-MOS, How did Shion know where KOS-MOS was going to jump out of.
My My My, this IS getting confusing for little old me... I simply can't wait to play Episode I although I think I'll still be a little in the dark,
What intrests me is why KOS-MOS and Shion seemed to be protecting the Y-Data in MOMO. I really can't wait to Play episode I so I can be totally up to date. So is KOS-MOS supposed to be a way for whoever or whatever is the real KOS-MOS to have a psysical body? If it IS something to do with U-DO and where do the Gnosis actually fit in with this? There is also a mysterious Connection between Shion and KOS-MOS, How did Shion know where KOS-MOS was going to jump out of.
My My My, this IS getting confusing for little old me... I simply can't wait to play Episode I although I think I'll still be a little in the dark,
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