It looks like things got a little complicated at the end of XenoSaga II. While a possible villianous character returns (Yuriev), other villianous characters are not accounted for (Margulus, Sellers, etc).

With the story so open as it is at the end of XenoSaga II, who do you think the last boss will be in XenoSaga III?

My guess is Kevin. Being a student of Mizrahi, this had to give him access to some of Mizrahi's ideas. Whether or not those ideas were good or bad, I think Kevin will turn the for bad in the end.

I'm guessing the final boss will be U-DOOOOO *ahem* U-DO, because it's quite similar to Xenogears' Deus System (though more specifically: the Wave Existence gone "evil"). And Yuriev is trying to fight that being (as it says in some revealed Episode III info, Yuriev wants to fight "God"; U-DO in the Xenosaga universe).

Though for what reason, I'm not quite sure. I know in Pied Piper (spoilers) it's said Yuriev survived "the horror", but I'm actually not sure what exactly they mean by that =s . Either way, I guess there might also be an aftermath battle with Yuriev, depending on his motives.

The horror quite obviously was caused by U-DO, because you can clearly see Yuriev is obsessed with destroying it, after being heavily traumatized by the horror. I am assuming it's the same thing that U-DO showed Voyager "The End Of the World". In some translations it was said to be that, too.

Making U-DO the last boss would make quite a space-opera if Episode 4 existed. This is because most of the galaxy would become extremly disjointed and a lot of strife would happen between planets, or internally within them. Too bad Episode 4's chances are real low.

Denim, are you sure? Namco never stated that Xenosage Episode III will be the last title. They stated that Xenosage Episode III will be the last title featuring Shion and the rest. Xenosaga Episode I actually sold well over 400,000 in both Japan and the US; roughly 860,000. That series is as competitive as the Tales series, so the chances of seeing a sequel is actually high. The 2nd version did not sell as well, but since I-II and Episode III are reverting back to its sales, we can expect similar sales and sequels.

That might or might not happen. Namco is concidering Xenosaga to be a financial loss. Episode 1 may have sold a lot, but Episode 2 sure as hell hasn't. Unless Episode 3 does phenominally well (which would mean that either Episode 2 prices will pick up, or the prices for XenoDS), then the probability of a sequel in the near future is pretty low.

If we're talking about the Episode 6 final boss (that may or may not happen) I would guess something other than U-DO. But right now, my money is on U-DO for the Final boss, and perhaps Yuriev, Wilhelm or Kevin as well.

If the series were to continue though, it might have been something unexpected, such as chaos.
Perhaps not in a "villainous" way, but something along the lines of what Jecht did in FFX.
Chaos: "Now that I'm the only one left, you have to destroy me too."

His immortality is what hints to him meeting his end eventually, one way or another.
And probaly not in a natural fashion.

I think after Episode III then it is possible that Chaos may be the final boss (Jecht Style) but for Episode III it probably isn't. If this is indeed the last one then I'm thinking it's probably some incarnation of U-DO (Sounds quite XenoGearsish).

Kevin an enemy? Maybe that's just Shion's Personal battle... it sounds quite epic

Hmmm.... probably something that feeds on the Zohar, or the Zohar itself. Why? Well, lets just say that is a feeling that I have with/from the new group of writers.


~Hechizero

I've been firmly believing its Wilhelm. He's the one pulling the strings.. He's gonna pull a Palpatine.

Well, in Pied Piper *SPOILERS* Wilhelm said that U-DO learned that "immortality isn't necessary" or something, so I think it will be mr. U-DO. Or maybe Voyager... I would like to kick his butt!

You know just because the last 2 were big mean bosses, I'm going with Proto Omega and being piloted by yours truely - Wilhelm.

Well one thing I'm almost positive about is that it will have to be someone already in the series. They have enough villans as it is (The Testements, Margulis, Wilhelm, Yuriev and this other KOS-MOS [T-Elos]) I wonder how they will be able to finish off all these guys in just ONE more game.

I think it will be Wilhelm. But it could be chaos because we really know nothing about him, except that his name is Yeshua.

I know that all the Anima relics belonged to him and that he's immortal, and that he can survive in space, kill Gnosis, I know he's been involved in almost every conflict and we know that he's got something to do with Nephilim and KOS MOS.

Some of that is from XenoDS.

There will definitely be more than one more XenoSaga. There's no where on the web that says this is the last XenoSaga -- there's always more text after it like:

"This is the last XenoSaga........for the PS2"
"This is the last XenoSaga........featuring Shion"
"This is the last XenoSaga........blah blah blah..."

On another note....We all know that bad guys can't be on the same page forever. I think the testaments will eventually have it out on one another, then T-Elos will get rid of them, except for Kevin (since he will be the one who orders T-Elos on them).

Kevin has to be the mastermind behind all of this if he is the one who created T-Elos (All of the data that Shion gave to Vector from KOS-MOS paid off, huh? ). I'm not sure if everyone is aware that telos means the final goal, mission complete, the ultimate end, etc.

What do you mean? The actual word "telos"?
Because that's apparently how her name is pronounced in the game. Not Tee-elos.

It means "Purpose". KOS-MOS meand "Order" and chaos is chaos. >_> Think about it for a second.

Purpose ties everything together.

Actually, there is. It says so on the official Japanese site itself:



This has already been translated as: "Finally, the completion of the Xenosaga series!" Sounds like they intend on ending it here... for the moment, that is.

I hope, in a bizaare twist, that the final boss is either Chaos (Living up to his name lol) Or KOS-MOS.

I can't fully explain why I just think it'd be an amazing twist, and well something very....Xeno-ish.

The final boss will probly be some brand new BS that has nothing to do with anything until they give some dumbass explanation. After Episode II they're probly gonna cut alot of ##### out too. Shion's contact with the Gnosis. Chaos's odd uberness. KOS-MOS's anti-U-DO cannon type thing. The Zohar emulators. At least one of these will be cut, maybe 2. NAMCO probably already realized that if they stopped at Episode 3, someone would get shot.

btw, in case you haven't noticed , I've lost alot of faith in the Xeno-series.

I doubt that, in a recent interview it was stated that we'd get to know the characters as who they really are, revealing their secrets to us. And they did take note of the negative criticism that Episode II received, they're striving to correct the things that made people dislike the 2nd game. So Episode III is actually looking very promising in that regard.

I don't think they'd just throw in some unknown being as a final boss either, I'm expecting the true enemy to already have been mentioned or made an appearance in some way. Since this is supposed to be the conclusion of the current story, I think adding some random higher force at this point wouldn't work very well, especially since there already is one present... U-DOOOOO!

Well, I think that KOS-MOS and T-ELOS are going to end up merging after a climatic conflict and become either the ultimate weapon of salvation, or the ultimate weapon of destruction depending on the actual outcome of the battle. And maybe this is the last XenoSaga game, maybe they'll name the next games in the series Xeno-something else. XD I wouldn't put it past them to do something screwy like that. As far as the final boss goes...it should be.....ID!! He should like...come back in time to whoop everyone's butts because he's just badass like that. XD

The thing is, there are just so many enemies that have to be killed... but normally the enemy only really involves one hero... for example

Voyager - Ziggy
Margulus - Jin
Albedo - Jr
T-elos - KOS-MOS
Her Sexual Urges for KOS-MOS - Shion
Kevin - Allen XD

I think that the final Boss is going to be someone who all the characters will want to fight, and not one who one of the characters has more of a vendetta against than another... So I'm thinking U-DOOOOO... heheh

U-DOOOOO's screwed everyone over.

Ziggy because it made Elrich into Voyager.

Jr. because... well, Jr. exists because of it, but nevertheless, Albedo's current state was caused by U-DO.

Shion's home was destroyed because U-DO infected Albedo which made him create a space-time anamoly to suck the planet into two black holes.



Yeah. U-DO is something most characters will want to fight. I'm not sure about chaos, though.



But like I said, if U-DO is really the Unus Mundus Drive Operation System, then killing it would screw over the entire Galaxy Federation as it would no longer exist due to lack of contact between planets, and the lack of UMN columns for hyperspace travel, unless more Dinahs are created. But then, Jr. stated in Episode 2 that "they chose the name because it sounded good," so I'm not sure. If Elrich's ramblings were of any indication, U-DO does have a lot to do with the UMN.

Indeed, though that does resemble the Xenogears outcome (spoilers!): after the demise of System Deus all Ether supply and Gear functions were shut down, except for Xenogears. If U-DO were to be destroyed, the contact between planets will indeed vanish along with hyperspace travel, except for one Gear which remains useful for such a thing: ES Dinah.

The concept is very similar to Xenogears', though more large-scale (losing contact between planets is a bit more dramatic than losing Gears, nay? =p ). But it's more reason why I think U-DO will be the true, final enemy.

All this losing contact bewteen planets and stuff I'm totally lost on... Even though I've watched and played the first two episodes I still know NOTHING about U-DO.... BAH!

I'm thinking I might have to buy the DS version though I think it'll be a pretty poor substitute for the first game...

Well, to understand that you need to know how the UMN works, which is something I wasn't too sure about myself (even after playing the game). Until I looked it up, of course =p . This is basically what it's about:

U.M.N., short for Unus Mundus Network, is an informational network that spans the entire universe. Its non-locality is a large factor in its use in space warps and FTL (faster than light) communications. The U.M.N. Control Center is located on Second Miltia.

And U-DO is part of the UMN in this sense:

Its true identity is the Zohar controlling system that serves as the core of the UMN and has the name "Unus Mundus Drive Operation".

So basically, without U-DO the UMN will seemingly cease functioning, so no more space warps and FTL communications, so contact between planets will indeed be lost.

Flame, the PAL regions missed out on a load of technical explanations by not having Xenosaga 1 released. That game had an encyclopedia in it, in which you could check a crap load of keywords, and what Xerno just quoted was a part of it. For examle, did you know that the Commander who resambled Vanderkaum (Vanderkam >_>) has a brother?

If you play XenoCard, you find out that it's actually an extremly minor character (much more minor than Vanderkam himself) who decides to target the Kukai foundation because the Gnosis were reacting to the emulators inside of it. The card "Destiny" in XenoCard showed them together, implying that they're related.


Among other things, such as giving little incites on Marienkind and Gnosis, and major themes in Xenosaga (mostly, Pleroma entry which is extremly vauge and tells you to look it up yourself so you could understand it and "future events in the series").








Anyway, yeah. Xenosaga's situation, when U-DO is destroyed, worlds will become isolated from eachother and only possible transportation through hyperspace would be through Dinah (which, not so coincendentally, resambles Xenogears itself).

I'm going to have to read through Episode 1's script arn't I? *sigh* I don't even know who Vanderkaum is!

It's the guy with the purple cross tattoo on his face. He's in Episode II as well, he's the guy shouting orders in that huge cannon outside of Labyrinthos. A very minor villain, but I'm expecting him to show up again (unless he died when the cannon blew up).

I remember that guy from Ep1 and I remember the guy shouting the orders from the cannon on Ep2 but I don't remember seeing him... He had some really classy lines heheh

I dunno if He'll turn up again, there are a lot of bad guys to cover in episode III, which is why I'm doubting we'll see Orgulla (My favourite boss) again damnit >.<

What, he was involved in a cannon incident again? I remember in Xenogears when he tried to fire that huge cannon on Welltall.

Anyway, he seems like a goofy villain at best. I'm not even sure who he works for. Wilhelm I suppose, since he was part of the group that retreived the Emulator in the beginning of Episode 1.
I guess if he was in Episode 2, it's likely he might show up again in the third game.

And Flame, I'd recomend getting Episode 1 rather than getting the DS game, if you want to experience the first game. A copy of Xenosaga goes for around $15 these days, and a Swap Magic is what... $8?
It's a good deal.

Vanderkam seems to be smarter than Vanderkaum, though (who basically was really just a moron =s ). He did seem concerned and seemingly cared when Cherenkov was making his supposed sacrifice, saluting with a serious look on his face while seeing him off. I doubt Vanderkaum could even have pretended to care, all he cares about is messing around with big guns.

Not sure who Vanderkam works for either, since he seemed so loyal to Cherenkov (who in turn works for Margulis). Then again, I guess he had to stay undercover if he wasn't working for them, so it's hard to tell.

"Target the Federation AMWS!"

He's working for U-TIC, just like Cherenkov and the rest of the gang that were on the Woglinde that escape with him. It's ironic that his brother is working for the Federation. Anyway, since Margulis was monitoring him, he's definitely with U-TIC.






You know. They hacked the dummied out Episode 3 database a while ago? The ENTIRE database was on the demo, but dummied out. Someone hacked it and Kouli from XS3 board is translating it.

I spoiled myself half the game already, and I won't do the same for you except I'll tell you that Virgil is completely justified to hate Realians, and the story between him, Febronia, and Shion is very sad.

Damn it! xD I've found what you're talking about, but what exactly does that mean? Does it actually contain the story as it really will be in the game? It's quite tempting to click that link, but if it really reveals everything there is I'll just stay away from it. So is that the case?

Basically, everything that is in the database that you could possibly get... is in there.

I'm seriously considering it... my only worry is if I mess up the magic key and my PS2...


Yeah, Please don't spoil it... I'm glad that Virgil's story is going to be revealed... The thing between Feb and Shion and Virgil intrests me greatly as well...

I really thought I had caught up with the story and had an ok understanding of Xenosaga... looks like I'm still a long way off...

I couldn't help but take a little peak, and I see what you mean. I know who Heinlein is now xD . So yeah, I'm just gonna stay away from it. With that said, I'll hush about that now (has little to do with this topic anyway ^^'' ).

Actually, a lot. It gave A LOT of info on most of the villains except Yuriev. But I know his story concludes now.

And I think it goes without saying. One word from either one of you ... *loads Vanderkaum's cannon*

Don't worry, I have a sniper placed outside both of their homes... the second they even think of typing the smallest spoiler... *BAM*

Lol, no worries: my lips are sealed, I wouldn't dare spoil anything. Besides, the only thing I know more is who Heinlein is, then I stopped reading. So other than that, I know nothing more than anyone else. =p

Ahem.

Voyager goes kaboom.

=)

The Magic Key is just a disc that you swap, Flame. I haven't heard of any risks using it really.

I first thought of that too, but when looking it up I saw so many people rant about it being unreliable, inconvenient and whatnot. I dunno why exactly, but most people seem so negative about it. That's why I got my PS2 modded instead. But it is much more expensive, of course (didn't matter for me, it was payed as a gift for my birthday =P ).

But I guess a Magic Swap can't be that bad. And well, if it does ruin your PS2 eventually, the PS3 is not too far of anymore. =p

Just mod the damn thing Flame, that way the disc just boots up without having the swap thing going on. The again its fairly dangerous as the ps2 can end up completely screwed. Just get the swap magic if you dont want to gamble with kids holding flames near your ps2.

Anyway, i'll say U-Do is most likely to be the final boss. U-DO is there, but at the same time it aint. much like Deus in Xenogears, the whole time the thing has been around and you will eventually fight it. Besides, it seems like only reasonably powerful entity. I would be pretty disapointed to have Margulis, Albedo or someone like them as the final boss.

Then again it could also be Kos Mos. If the whole Shion/Kos Mos/Encephalon/Willhelm crap is finally revealed we might just get a turn around in the end of ep 3. There is something that has been hidden from us since episode 1 and thats this entire deal. Maybe where it all ties in, and it better ##### tie in, is where we get the final boss.

Oh, my mistake then. I never heard anything like that. All I knew is that it can be bad for the lens to swap discs, but that's a general fact and doesn't simply apply to Swap Magic.

Swap magic it is... My PS2 is very old and I really can't be bothered/afford to buy a new one...


I have a feeling that even after Episode 3 there will still be questions unanswered... Questions that WOULD have been answered in future episodes had Episode II have sold well... I dread it being a rush job, but I can't see it all being fit in...

Could be, but if they're gonna rewrite stuff and decide to conclude the series with Episode III, I'd expect them to at least properly finish the story and not leave us with such annoying questions. Unless they do secretly plan to continue the series, but that's another thing.

If this really is supposed to be the grand finale of the story, then I do hope they will go out of their way to make everything fit, or their "great conclusion" to the series won't be so great after all. <<

Episode 3 answers nearly everything. Although, Margulis, Pellegri, and Jin are developed better in XenoDS, which IS the canon version, according to Takahashi.

By the way, while the ending does conclude nearly everything with a little bow on top, it is pretty open for a sequel.

i think that it will be Te-Los but that would be kind of obvious wouldn't it?