Ok I'd like to know which aeons were really hated in any of the final fantasy games. Me, I didn't like Yojimbo for the simple fact that you can't control him and he wouldn't fight without being paid. I remember I paid him 100k and he only did that bulk**** dagger move that doesn't really do anything. That cheap bastard.

haha that would go to Gilgamesh in VIII I mean, did he have a trick o him to make him better? Because for me he was always rubbish, I really missed Odin L( thats reminds me actually of how good the Odin sidequest was, I thought that was really cool.

Mos tunderrated summon goes to Kajata. No idea why it never showed up again

Kjata will probably show up in one of the future games, I thought he was in XII, but I could be wrong. He'll show up one day.

Most annoying...hmmm either Gilgamesh (FF VIII), Yojimbo (FFX), Ifrit (FF VII) or Atomos (FF IX)

I dislike all of these, although Atomos could be of help, cause he could deal 9999 damage rather quickly and easy, the other ones were just lame or annoying.

:O...In fact lol, thats something I've been meaning to check out, is XII gonig to have summons? Because I know tis something SE were keeping quiet about for a long time. Kjata was a mofo, and look at him from legend, he held the world up on his back. Ownage.

I also found Yojimbo frustrating it just took to much cash for me to use him effectively. but hey, I didn't play FFX that well, I didn't really take advantage of like...anything of the good ways of getting spheres, levels, or cash.

Eden... It was just too powerful, and when youve got something that powerful ready for use whenever you want and with no restrictions (like MP) and then you just can't resist. Also there was no trick to using him either, it was really easy to get his Boost up to 250... the only thing which was at a disadvantage was that it took SO DAMN LONG to use him and it didn't even look that good.

There are a bunch of useless summons on FFIV & FFV but they didn't bother me too much.

I suppose in that respec then, KOTR was pretty out of order :P I had four mastered when I went to fight Sephiroth, thinking he was gonig to be super uber hard....and then I bitch slapped him into oblivion. It was quite disappointing and as a result he's never been a challenge to me, I'd just hit KOTR 4 times in a row, and wih them available it was too tempting to otherwise. Apparently Sephiroth had his own summon or something? I've never seen it though.

DUDE! You've got to start again then this time try and fight Sephiroth without levelling up to insane levels or getting knights of the round... he still isn't paticulaly hard (especially if you had enemy skills) but at least you'll get to see supernova and have a fun battle.

I didn't like knights of the round much either but at least it could be used properly in the emerald and ruby battles... also it had a high MP cost so you couldn't use it just for any battle.

Lmao what is this you say? Play VII and not level up ridiculously? That sounds like more of a challenge than spending hours levelling, I'm so used to it lmao. I think I might have my very frst play through jsut before the end, if I disable the preemptive stuff I should be able to see it without killing him.

This reminds me of Griever....man Griever was cool.

Plus congrats on the 1000mark your about to break

I liked all the aeoons in FF7 but I don't like the fact that I can't really control them. I wanna be able to control their moves and give commands. The summons also took a lot of MP if I was gonna use so much I wanna make sure they do all they can. Like with Mog/Chocobo he didn't do a lot when you summoned him. The best attack it was was when it droped on the enemy.

Gilgamesh in FF VIII, because Odin was so much better, and after that, huh, "accident", we get Gilgamesh... Odin was better because we had one-hit KO 100% and Gilgamesh had 25% with three other attacks, where two of them are useless.

So yeah, Gilgamesh.

In my game Yojimbo's Compatibility points are very high. He'll often perform a free attack when I summon him, and once in a while it's even a Zanmato attack. And I have to pay him very little and he'll still use a good attack; like the multi-hit Wakizashi attack, which with my high Yuna stats is still an instant kill either way (I'm talking about regular enemies, they have low Yojimbo resistance). He's the best instant kill summon I've ever had in an FF game. xD

But as for worst, pffft... they're tons of summons I dislike. It's really hard to pick one specific, I find good summons to be quite rare. No, I dunno. Too much to choose from. ^^''

I really need to replay FFX and put some effort into it. My team was basically good enuogh to finish the game quite easily...but at far as the moster training area and hidden dungeons went, they generally got their asses kicked. I just really underestimated the complexity of the sphere grid on my firs tplay through, and I neevr really tried properly again.

I was indifferent to alot of summons, I liked the random ones though that only appeared in one game , like Kjata and Pandamona, jsut because they were different really compared to the norm.

oh it's definately gilgamesh...first, he had a few useless attacks...secondly...his timing was wrong...it would have made more sense to get him first and then get odin after. Why get a more useless summon after a strong one? And I know there were a few summons that were absolutely useless to me in final fantasy VI, but since I haven't played that game in awhile they seem to have been temorarily forgotten.

Titan.

Sucks major balls because he can't attack flying enemies.

I rarely call for Yojimbo's aid, because he never performed any Zanmato attack to enemies, even after I gave away a million gil to him.

there a specific amounts of money to make yojimbo effective... gilgamesh and titan are definatley up there, but I still loath cerberus from 8, it was a discrace to how cool cerberus really is... I mean come on using the three headed guard dog of hell as a power up, come on.

FFVI had a bunch of useless summons but it seemed like it was sort of on purpose... it was kind of like a double eadged sword, You could have powerful summons but you'd have to use the useless ones to gain good skills or the level up bonus.

Saying Titan was useless because it couldn't hit flying enemies is like saying Shiva is useless because she healed ice enemies...

Plus lets remember espers were actually a proper race in VI (something I find shocking that they haven't done in some form again since I loved it) so it would make sense for there to be a hierarchy of good to lesser espers, unlikey say Guardian Forces who were existed in FFVIII's world to do jsut that: guard and protect. This is just how I saw it though.

Well, we have the Eidolons from FF IX, we can count those a race, no? Although they don't talk that much, we do learn about their past and such from Ramuh and in the Summoning Hall (is that what we call that, i can't remember well, it's in Madain Sari)

So yeah, we can say that the Eidolons were a race, we can say that the Aeons were a race of some sorts, using the fayth, the essence from human beings to take solid form.

Yes, true you have a point, I was thinking in the sense that they lived in villages in their world and spoke and interacted in a much more intelligent waythan say FFVII. I would say you have a fair point with what you're saying, but I would love to have the summons of a future game be properly sentinent living lives. In IX and X they were races as such but they had to be summoned up; in 6 they were never summoned until they were put through the machines or after they died.

I would agree much more with IX since Ramuh certainly showed a level of self awareness on par with that of Ramuh in VI.

Another way of looknig at what I mean is that VI's espers attempted to live lives; IX's attepted to benefit their tribe and therefore it was again about life and not jsut being a power. However GF's in VIII may have had intelligence eg. Ifrit showed it, but they seemed to have no purpose beyond using their powers; they aligned themselves with who ever proved themselves and gave their powers. This to me put them on par wih that of a weapon or magic, not really like a living being who thinks and cares about what they're doing.

Lmao I realise I'm not wording this terribly well.

I dont know if i spelt it right but i my most hated aeon is Fernir from final fantasy IX. It was lame and didn't really do anything.

:O Blasphemy, thats anothe rone I forgot about, Fenrir. Fenrir is a badass wolf, its one of the few summons that represents a real animal thats a threat, something more realistic about that. I can't remember what it did in IX though.

It did an earth attack if i'm not mistaken, rather weal actually, I found Shiva better then him xD

Yes, but you are more likely to meet Fenrir in a dark alley XD then call him weak

Try Bahamut, then I'll be scared <.<""

Anyway, most Eidolons of FF IX weren't that useful to me, just Odin who sometimes dealt a one-hit KO and Atomos, has pes said could deal 9999, but couldn't with most bosses, a serious loss, Ark didn't gave much damage, hell i did more damage with Zidane or even a Doomsday with Vivi xD

Yea, unfortunately although they're cool, I only ever really used summons extensively in my first playthrough of FVII; once you ge tthe hang of the way FF works, summons are generally weak with a few exceptions. I only ever used summons in FFX as a get out if my team were on the edge of death.

Well, yes and no. Fenrir is, in norse mytholgy, the eldest son of Loki. He kills Odin at Ragnarok, and he is also shaped like a monsterous wolf.

Hmm, let me think... How about Remora? The little fish that leech MP in FFV? Or Toneberry? I don't remember using him to much.

Oh yea, that had totally bypassed my memory :S which is weird since Square have played with norse mythology alot throughout the creation of their FF titles. Lmao, you made me think, no FF has faced a proper armageddon yet, that would be amazing. Someones always trying to destroy the world...what if the end was jsut coming and predestined? That would be interesting.

I never used Summons in FFIX, I guess that's why I find Garnet so useless compared to Eiko. Aeons were useful, and sometimes summons in FFVII could come in handy (though only the non-elemental really, and Hades), GF's were far more useful in FFVIII but they were easily Whored...

Anyway, I must also add YET ANOTHER summon/GF/aeon to my list... and this time it's bahamut... but not just any Bahamut... but the aeon from FFX...

That things looked ugly, especially after how cool it looked in all previous games, Not just that but it was FAR too powerful. It's overdrive wasn't intresting at all, it was just explosions and flashy stuff... I hated using this thing...

It had 2 attacks. That earth attack and a second attack called 1000 Years of White Dust which was an wind attack, you had to equip Eiko with a holy robe or so, or some other piece of armor.
Anyway Fenrir is cool.

Whats this? I had no idea their moves could change depending on equipment....or did it change because it was Eiko and not Garnet using him or something? sound sinteresting.

Eiko has the option to alter some of her summons, well only 2. Fenrir can do his Earth and Wind attack and Carbuncle can do various spells aswell. Such as Emerald Light, Ruby Light, Diamond Light and some others.

It is nothing special, apart from Fenrir's 1000 Year of White Dust, cause that attack looks pretty cool, but it is not something amazing.

Haha, I actually had no idea about that, I'll defineely check that out to, always nice to find something new that you haven't checked out, I really liked IX as well. That reminds me of the summon wall thing that reveals what Garnet's real name was, I didn't find that for like a year and I was very happy when I did get it.

Personally I loved Yojimbo. You had to use him a lot though so he would like you more and do better attacks for you. For me, about 50% of the time when I send him into battle he uses attack that kills anything in one hit, the other 50% of the time I pay him one gil and he either uses that attack or Wakislashi.

Most hated for me would probably be Valefor. Really weak, preety much useless for the most part.

I really hated the Magus sisters!!! they were annoying and useless!

FFXII: I saw a video with the party battling Yojimbo and the dog so there will be summons...the question is: Will you be able to control them ^^

I know that we are talking about Aeons, Gf etc. But I hated that stupid GF that Ultima summons near the end.
I mean damn, they can think of names like Yojimbo and Odin but they call that Gf Mike!!!!!!
What the!
Another thing is that I always got whupped by him so I don't know how the game ends!
ARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! DAMN MIKE!

Rofl this is FFVIII right? Mike??? Um, I guess you're talknig about Griever. THe GF will be named whatever you called Squall's Lion Crest thing during the Galbadia Garden fight I think ( Its been awhile, I just remember the scene)

Yeah, it could be that, but Ultima? How can you mistake Ultima with Ultimecia? (well it has some similarities but still xD)

Well, I didn't found Griever very difficult, the only time i was defeated by him was when he does that attack that you loose all your magic at once, but just a spell, it hits one character. So yeah, he did it to me three severeal times to each of my characters and guess what spell he did "banish" from me... Aura, on all of my three characters >_>...

Now that's bad luck.

HAHAHA I belive that the GF that Ultimicia summons is named after Squalls ring.

In the scene where the two gardens clash and Squall saves Rinoa you have the oppotunity to name Squall's ring. The defult name is Griever so therefore we all refer to that GF as Greiver.

If that GF has a stupid name then it is your own fault.

I guess the GF sharing the same name as the ring is a way for the game to hint that Rinoa does (at least in some timeline) become the Sourceress.

Yes, I agree thats one of the more believeable clues that supports that theory, although that broken when they go through time and everything ya? Itsquite ad tothink they would inevitably continue the loop of time

Hhahah, thats still pretty funny. Yea your right, it was his ring, I couldn't remember what the crest was on. I suppose he called it Mike....0.0

kjata was dumb

Umm... why should the fact that Griever is the name for both the ring and the GF, hint that Rinoa becomes the sorceress?
Ultimecia summons Griever because in Squall's mind, that is the strongest GF (she says something like that). It has nothing to do with Rinoa.
I'm not sure if I support the "Rinoa=Ultimecia" theory, but anyway, Griever being the same name for the ring and the GF doesn't hint towards that theory at all.

If you know that theory then you know yes, it does possibly indicate towards it; whether you agree with it or not is a different mater but saying it doesn't hint in any way at all is a bit quick off the mark :S

And omg no one bash Kjata, Kjata will pwn you with elements!

Mushroom, please explain how Griever contributes to the "Rinoa=Ultimecia" theory, because I seem to not understand it.
What I know about Ultimecia summoning Griver is just what i said in my last post: Griever is the strongest GF in Squall's mind, so Ultimecia summons him in battle to use him against Squall. Where is Rinoa in all this exactly?

I think bahamut did that too, but as a giant fish.....

Anyway, most disliked aeon...I've got a few: Bahamut from FFX, he just isn't the same with all of that weird decoration and the big disk, and is it just me or has he gained weight? lol. Also Anima: OK, I get it, you're in pain, you're pure evil, you look like a giant corn-on-the-cob.....frankly, his origins *spoilers* as seymor's mom's sacrifice for him *end spoilers* were his only redeeming quality I think.

Let's see, who not from FFX? Hmm...FFXI's garuda, I can see why she wasn't put anywhere else, but that's just my opinion. Also maybe titan from FFIV, FF7, and FFXI, not sure about his other forms if he has them, I can't remember him from any others.

Oh yeah, and Yojimbo....Ugh, Yojimbo....To this day I am thankful that he was an enemy in FFX-2, very challenging then and I actually got to see his 4th attack. He reminds me of that other samurai guy, uh...Yoshimitsu, and neither really looks like a samurai to me, not really.

Enough of that, how 'bout some good ones?? Leviathan, Carbuncle, Golem, Bahamut Neo, Shiva, Ramuh, FFXI's Fenrir, Valefor, FFIX's Alexander... *blablablabla........*

I don't for one second belive that Rinoa=Ultimecia but there is no doubt that Rinoa is a Sourceress. I don't think Ultimicia ever said anything about Griever being the strongest GF in Squalls mind... that doesn't paticulaly make any sense. However, what would make sense is (in one timeline or another) when Rinoa is Fully a Sourceress it is during her reign that she discovers the GF Griever... We know that you can name you're GF's and so it is quite Likley that Rinoa named the GF Griever after Squall's Ring (Seeing as only Rinoa and Squall know that name). It's still just a theory but I think that the fact only Rinoa and Squall know the name Griever and it's resemblance to a Lion it makes sence that it IS a reference seeing as the only connection between Ultimicia and Squall is Rinoa. It could just be a major coinsedence.

I guess to fully understand, we would need to know the origin of GF's... but for now we can only speculate.





That is all that is said about Griever (The GF) in the whole game... nothing about it being from Squalls Mind.

You're sure about that? There's that option in the menu to see information about certain things, I think it's written in there. I need to check it out.

Ok I found out where that was, it wasn't in the information section.
If you use Scan on Griever, you see this:
"Griever
In Squall's mind, the strongest GF. Through Ultimecia's power, continues
fighting without vanishing."

So, I can see the connection to Rinoa and the ring. But Ultimecia summoning Griever can also be explained easily by this Scan info: summoning griever is just a move made to defeat Squall.

There is something odd about that... Does 'In Squall's mind' mean that the GF was born from his mind (which wouldn't make much sense... what is so special about Squall) or is it a bad translation which actually means... 'To the best of Squalls knowledge' or 'as far as Squall knows' meaning that this GF is the strongest GF Squall has ever encountered. The wording is so odd.

I guess there are 2 options.

1) It's a bad translation like you said.
2) Squall just had a vision of a certain GF, maybe as a result of him liking lions, and in time compression Ultimecia was able to make that GF come to life.

Hmm, well when I read that line what I get from it is "as far as Squall is concerned, this is the most pwnage GF".

"summoning griever is just a move made to defeat Squall."

Funnily enuogh, I think your explanation still supports the Rinoa sorceress theory. Who else would know that Squall would be see intimidated by Griever? Only someone who mnew story behind the ring

'Shroom brings up a great point. I still think it's a bad translation as I said above, however, Rinoa knows that it is Squall who will try and defeat ultimicia and so as a Sourceress she would use her knowledge of Squall to her advantage and summon a GF that she thinks can specifically destroy Squall...

But I dunno...