hey i was thinking the other day why Tidus defeated Yu yevon and agreed to disapear. I think he had different motives than Yuna for trying to get rid of Sin. I don't think it was only because (might have been a part of) the fact that he wanted to help the people of Spira. Tidus really didn't know many people in spira except for yuna ahnd the other guardians. I think Tidus did it because he felt he owed it to the fayth who had been "dreaming" his existence for such a long time and he says once during the game that he's thankful they dreamth for as long as they did. Partially Tidus might have done it because Yuna wanted it so badly and maybe he wanted to give her what she always wanted while still freeing the fayth. Also maybe he also wanted to finally settle the score with his father.

What do u guys think?

I agree and disagree with you.

Yes, Tidus did sacrifice himself. Of course he wanted to reapy the fayth for dreaming him, but the real motive was Yuna, she wanted a world without Sin, a world without suffering where people could leave at peace, se decided to sacrifice himself for Yuna's hapiness.


This is where i dissagree, before you fight him as a Aeon, he shouts "I hate you" to his father, Jecht, this is not anger, this is just his way fo saying "I love you" from son to faher, you see that Jcht is partially smiling. Even when you defeat him Tidus rishes to him and bursts out crying when he finally dies. (if we can call him a dead person, it's better to say that he just went on ot the Farplane)

I always assumed that Tidus said "I hate you" to Jecht after the battle because he always wanted to tell him that, face to face.
There's some scene somewhere in the game that shows Tidus and his mother (I think it's before u go into Besaid temple for the first time when Tidus is sleeping), and it's right after Jecht disappeared. His mother tells him something like "Do you hate him so? If he dies, you'll never be able to tell him how much you hate him."
So I think Tidus saying to Jecht that he hates him is like a way to get over his childhood feelings.

Anyway... I guess Tidus wanted to defeat Yu Yevon because it was the right thing to do: it was best for everyone except him. Yuna probably affected him to do so too.

by settling the score, i didn't mean he actually wanted to physically fight him and i'm not sure if by saying "i hate you" he meant "i love you". i think him diving after his father was more of an emotion of that he didn't wanna just sever ties like tat with his father or give up on him totally.

I think Tidus at the end (to a certain extent) forgave his father for all the wrong he committed. The game often hints that he was an alcoholic ("you can quit anytime? quit today then" and him attacking the shoopuf while drunk) but the thing that really made Tidus "hate" his father was his father's impact upon his mother. When Jecht left, the mother was so dependent upon him that his leaving essentially meant her death (hence seeing her in the farplane even though she didn't die in which Yuna says "she must have accepted death while she was already alive". Moreover, Tidus hated being constantly belittled and condescended even though Jecht intended to motivate him to become the best blitzball player rather than just hurt him emotionally. Red wing, i think he also wanted to get over his childhood feelings as well.

I agree with red wing in saying that it was "the right thing to do" too because we can see that especially when he wanted to just hunt the chocobo eater because it was "the right thing to do" (just like jecht ironically).

I read that during FFX, Tidus changes by becomign more like Yuna and during FFX-2, Yuna changes and becomes more like Tidus. Yuna definately impacted his decision as well as his personlity and probably without her influence, he wouldn't have made that decision.

wut u guys think?

Well yes, but as much as he hated him, you can see that he loved him when Jecht dissapers in his arms and he stats crying, It was painful to Tidus to battle him.

You can use an ability of Tidus during the battle with Jecht to bring his overdirve down, Tidus begins to shout at him some sentences that I'm gonna beat you and such. Tidus never had the oppurtunaty to show his love because he couldn't express it. He isn't a kid anymore, he's an adult, so comapring his sentences when he was a kid is irrelevant to this point.

i'm still going with the idea that although he sad those things he ment it with love for his father


I know that the hero always do things, beacuse it's the right thing to do, but, you can bet it was the fact that Yuna wanted to rid the world from Sin so badlly that made him do what he did. As you know, the only ones that know he's a dream are Jecht, Auron, who doesn't tell anything whatsoever and Tidus that kept this secret to himself. We see Auron dissaper afterwards we defeat Yu Yevon beacuse the feeling or reasons tha kept him in this world were "complete" so he had no reasons to stay in the world of the living and I think, before he dissaperd he said to Tidus out and clear so that evryone could hear, "I'll be waiting for you" or something like that, and when they see pyreflies coming out of Tidus Yuna finnaly understands and everyone else too.

So yeah, not to confunsing i hope xD

Tidus had a few reasons to do it. (in order of most important to him, in my opinion)
1) Free his father. (tie)
1) Free the fayth. (tie)
3) Save spira for Yuna.
4) Save spira for the people.

Tidus really felt bad for his father. At first, he hated him, but he understood his father was killing uncontrollably, and saw how his father wanted to die.

Anyway, he really had no choice. Like Red Wing said...it was best for everyone else BUT him.

I think Tidus did it for his dad too.........i mean he hated his father sooo much on the surface, but underneath he really did love him........even when he said he hated him in the ending that was definetly another way for him to say i love you. Once he found he was a dream....... i think he didn't really want to believe it, but after the defeat of Yu Yevon..........he had to face reality. He knew he had to go. It was fair to the Fayth. He also became attached to the people of spira especially his comrades. He also saw the destruction that sin caused, and made it clear that he didn't want to see Yuna dancing anymore. Well thats some of the stuff that has been said before, but i also agree.

Yeah that is what it was. It wasn't a way of saying I love you, there's not a single thing in the game that suggests that.

Oh please don't go trying to pick me out and murder me that's my opinion!!

hes like on the verge of tears when he says "I hate you". he's just saying that because he has never said the opposite before, and cant say it. he really does feel for his father...thats what all the jecht spheres are for.

yuna16 is completely right.

Agreed, it's pretty obvious actually, but anyone can interpert the way they like it =p

i only found 3 jecht spheres but can someone tell me what was in the other ones? (just a brief description would make me happy ) thanks

also aren't the jecht spheres recorded by jecht? How would they show how Tidus really loved Jecht if they were recorded by Jecht and not Tidus?

Well, it shows the love of Jecht for his nos, and there were alot of them, but mostly it's events that Braska recorded, then there's the Auron Spheres and Braska sphere. If you get them al you uncloak Aurons final overdrive and you can see some events that occured with Jecht, Aron and Braska, tha's a plus.

You say you got three, but those thre can be any sphere. Tell us a little more info, so that we can see which you don't have.

[quote] hey i was thinking the other day why Tidus defeated Yu yevon and agreed to disapear. I think he had different motives than Yuna for trying to get rid of Sin. I don't think it was only because (might have been a part of) the fact that he wanted to help the people of Spira. Tidus really didn't know many people in spira except for yuna ahnd the other guardians. I think Tidus did it because he felt he owed it to the fayth who had been "dreaming" his existence for such a long time and he says once during the game that he's thankful they dreamth for as long as they did. Partially Tidus might have done it because Yuna wanted it so badly and maybe he wanted to give her what she always wanted while still freeing the fayth. Also maybe he also wanted to finally settle the score with his father.

What do u guys think?

well, ok, what i know is that, Tidus was taken 1000 years into the future by sin (Jecht), why did sin take him 1000 years into the future? because, so that Tidus could number 1 : settle the score with his father ... number 2: to defeat yu yevon, so that sin won't be reborn again and number 3, save the people of spira...... as for why did Tidus jump of the airship ?because they had stay in that world too long already... remember what Auron said? He said : this is your world now" and He said" it's been long enough..." meaning they have stay too long, it's time for them to go... are an unsent... remember where Yuna performed the sending in the end? to depart her aeons? Auron and Tidus fayth started to fade? this maen they are an unsent...but i guess Tidus didn't really die, he dropped into the sea of besaid... if you complete final fantasy x-2 100% you will see the truth ending...only Tidus lives , others i think they have gone to the farplane... if you play final fantasy x-2 plus last mission, you will have to fight Auron, Seymour, and Tidus... i spend over 300 hours to train my ff-x character... i submitted my game to the news , haha, i'm the strongest in ff-x ....

The Jecht Spheres are optional spheres, meaning we don't know if Tidus would ever find them if he was just on his journey. I think he only finds one, without making effort.
So, I don't think it is because of the Jecht Spheres, also he still hates his father, it is not like he is suddenly all oh my gosh, I know how you are feeling and I know you want to die, but I can't say I love you.
He never got along with his dad and the same person was causing him troubles in Spira aswell...

Then tell me, why did Tidus started crying ater he beat jecht and he dissapers? That reveals that he has feeling towards him. And don't tell me that after he had beaten his dad that it suddenlly hit him that he had jus "killed" his father, if you call it killing.

I don't think it's as simple as just hating and loving. Tidus starts out just plain hating him, though as the game progresses you can see both signs of hatred, as well as Tidus caring for Jecht after all. There's the scene where he jumps in the water swimming after him, cursing him for the dead that he has caused. But then later there's also a scene where he says in a soft voice (towards Sin) that he understands that his father wants it to end, and asks him for just a little more time to do so.

When they finally meet he says what he has wanted to tell him for so many years: "I hate you", but at this point there's already a side to Tidus that also cares for his father. After the battle with Jecht that side clearly shows (and further grows). He says he's glad to have him as his father for the first time, but you can also see other signs of this; like Tidus running over to catch him after the battle (and btw, he also ran over to try and stop him from falling off the platform before the battle already), and giving Yu Yevon a very pissed look when Jecht dissolves into pyreflies.

And finally, after Tidus "vanishes" he gives Jecht a high five. At this point they seem to be on better terms. I don't see it as simple as just hate and love, I'd say it's a complex mix of both. So I do agree that despite the hatred he has shown for his father for a long time, Tidus also cares for him (but it's obviously harder for him to express that feeling, but it does show several times in the game).

ya, you are right... and do you want to know where are all the jecht sphere is? i'll tell you...

jecht sphere 1: after spherimorph boss fight, Maclania forest.
jecht sphere 2: Besaid village , to the right of the temple entrance.
jecht sphere 3: SS liki, on the bridge ( board at besaid).
jecht sphere 4: Luca stadium,Basement A.
jecht sphere 5: Mi'ihen Highroad, old road, south.
Auron's sphere: Mushroom rock road, precipice.
jecht sphere 6: Moonflow, south wharf.
jecht sphere 7: Thunder plains, south.
jecht sphere 8: Macalania woods, south.
Braska's sphere: Mountain Trail, Mt Gagazet.

I know where all the Jecht Spheres are, I think most people do here. We did want to get Auron's Overdrives after all.

Anyway, it is not like Tidus went from hate to love in that sudden scene, because he simply cried.
I think it was just a pile of emotions that broke free at the same time, because he didn't know what to do with that, the only thing he could do was cry, telling Jecht how much he hates him.
Even though he hates his father, he is still his father, he hates him but doesn't want him dead, he respects him and doesn't despise him.

At least I feel it that way, you can't suddenly love someone after hating for 10 years, he knows Jecht's sorrow etc etc, but that doesn't transforms into love in like what...a couple of weeks/months?

But Yet U all forget that... Tidus... Even if he dun hav a motive yet it is a MUST for him to defeat Yu yevon... Even though he "might" not dissappear... But i don't think he will hide and avoid sin forever... while watching Sin started to destory and kill everyone... He Both NEEDED and WANTED to defeat yu yevon... because of yuna, becuz of spira and becuz of his companions... He cried only becuz he know he hav to do it... to end his father's life himself... If i'm not wrong... his father did call Tidus to do it... Eventhough Tidus hate his father since the start... But i dun think he will still hold the grudge when he know the fact that his dad is gonna die under his ( or his companion's, proberbly yuna his love one's) own hands... Jus think of it... While Tidus know the fact that his dad gonna be dead.. and his first reaction was actually laughing and cheering... DO U Think Tidus Will Even Do that???

Bloo/Llew...

we all are right... but one thing for sure... he DID defeat yu yevon right?

i found all the jecht, auron, and braska spheres and i don't see how they express how Tidus loves his father. Other than the fact that his father left his mother and him and the "natural son" feeling of wanting the father to come home, i don't see how people can say that from these spheres you can justify Tidus' feelings for his father.

Let me know what you guys think

thanks

he could of not found a way 2 say it right to his father i mean the guy was swolen up inside for years...or maybe the reason he did it was...well...i guess he found love in his father and wanted to make up for lost time...that and to make sure spira was safe from sin...mostly for yuna because he would of done anything for her...justa tought out loud so ignore it

Gah that is...way too cheesy.
As you said, swollen up for years, hating his father. You think that in that little time period, he would suddenly love him? He still hates him, he just understands why he is destroying Spira, doesn't change the fact that he abandoned them for Blitzball is forgiven.
It sounds all too farfetched for me.

yeah...final fantasist is right. the jecht spheres were put in to the game by square so that you as the player would feel for jecht and understand his situation (and you are supposed to feel like tidus feels)...as for tidus hating his father...how would you feel if your father became an uncontrollable killing machine, unable to stop himself? jecht obviously does not like being sin. auron makes that clear when he tells tidus that jecht wants tidus to kill him. tidus did not want to kill his father, but had no choice, because sin would keep killing (so tidus wanted to save the people of spira), and because jecht would stay inside sin, watching him kill the people of spira (so tidus wanted to free his father).

if tidus had truly hated his father, wouldn't he have cheered and been happy after killing sin, instead of crying?

Wtf...Square didn't added those spheres so you would "feel" for Jecht. It only tells abit about Jecht's trip with Auron and Braska and tells you how stupid he is and much alike Tidus.

The crying was before he fought Jecht, as I said I doubt it was because he suddenly loved his father.
Also, the Jechtspheres are to tell background info on Jecht, we don't even know if those Jecht spheres are found by Tidus in the story, since they are a sidequest after all, also...does Tidus say anything about the Jechtspheres at the end of the game? No, becuase he didn't see them, according to the story.

Actually, the crying is after the battle. Tidus catches his father when he falls down mortally wounded, and then Jecht says something like: "You're gonna cry, you always cry. See? You're crying" and then Tidus says again that he hates him.

But no, at this point I don't believe that there is only hatred for his father in Tidus' heart. Disregarding the optional Jecht spheres Tidus still got to see his father's caring side for his son along the course of the story (like the one Jecht sphere that is part of the story, his request to Auron to take care of his son, and whatnot).

Despite his long hatred, after all what Tidus learned about Jecht's feelings (he now knows that Jecht did care for him, even worried about his safety and didn't just think of him as a crybaby son), I find it more farfetched that he wouldn't have even a little bit of love for his father. That's how I feel about it.

ya, i argree , the crying was after the battle... but, he had no choice but to battle his father... his father is weak, i finish him off with just one attack, anyway, he cry because he knew his father was badly injuired, may might die any minute, but one thing, when yuna is trying the perform the sending, his father said: no, yuna, there is no time..." then after he say, the aeons, call them... although his fayth has fade, when is it when tidus jump off the airship, meeting his father where there is no sending? strange huh?

Cause Tidus fayth stopped dreaming, he wasn't an "unsend" one, nor a dead guy. He was a dream brough into reality. At least, I think it was like that.

Probably, and Jecht is just the same as Tidus (they're both from Dream Zanarkand, after all). On the other hand, Braska was there with Jecht (and Auron) as well after Tidus jumps off the ship. So I guess a dream which fades away just goes to the same place as those who are sent, except it seems the difference between sent ones and faded dreams is that the latter can apparently still be brought back into existence (going by FFX-2).

xerno is right about tidus's feelings. tidus doesnt hate his father, at least not at the end.

and i had always thought tidus and jecht were aeons.

im sure it was because he knew yuna wanted to free spira of sin more than anything, it was for yuna.