well i was looking at buying a game but then i noticed that there isnt alot of games coming out only 3 good games ( LOZ TP but i'll get it for the wii) baten kaitos 2 and the new super mario thats all. So i wanted to know what other people's opion are.? in a way it's great that could mean the are getting ready for the wii (oh thats why i'm getting a new ps2) lol but it could mean that gc is dead it's hard to say

Well, I would say that its lost some of its luster, but its still a solid console. You are right. Nothing much good coming out for it, but just grab some of the older gems and have fun with those, I wouldn't expect too much on the GC in the future with the Wii coming out.

Just think of whats happening with the Xbox. After the 360 came out, everyone basically stopped caring about the Xbox. I feel the same thing is going to happen with the GC. I mean you can still play the old games because you have backwards compatability, so a lot of people will find no need to have a GC.

The Game Cube was dead when it came out. The only people that actually cared about it were die-hard Nintendo fans and kids. I can think about only fifteen good games for the Game Cube. Of course, these games are all great games, but I wouldn't buy a Game Cube just for Super Smash Brothers Melee and a small handful of other games. Would you?

Yeah, you'd be surprised at how many people here would.

I totally agree with this statement. The GC is a worthless system with maybe a handful of good games... And most of those so called " good " games are for Nintendo fanatics anyway.

I've always felt that the GC has just sort of been clinging to life since its debut. From my days of carrying one new GC a game a month, if that, at my old video store ( While we'd get in tons of new PS2 and X-Box games... Moreso PS2 ) to being a moron and buying the system only to buy and enjoy one game totally ( Smash Bros ). It just never felt like a strong system to me... Unfortunaly I'm not the guy that wants to play the millionth installment of Mario, Metroid, or whatever other games Nintendo likes to put out on a factory line with each new system.

To everyone else I'm sure it's wonderful, to me it was the devil. Thank god I think I only coughed up 150 for it initially.

It's dying out, there's a new generation coming in... Same could really be said of the X-Box.

I'm guessing since the Wii is coming out soon, they aren't spending too much time on making new games for the Cube. Sad, yes, but hey, the Wii will be even better, and I didn't think that was even possible.

I'd never did such a thing



I have the same, apart from SSBM there wasn't any game I played that much on the Cube. Also, no new games interest me and I don't care about new Mario/Zelda/Metroid games. I played them when I was 4/6 years old, now I am adult and I want other games, new games to entertain me, not the same I played 17 years ago.

This console isn't worthless. Nintendo is the only one who has LOZ games, MPH, etc. Jeez you guys, it's an amazing console; all Nintendo systems are.

I hate to say it, but the Cube really only had a couple of Kick ass games. First would be Smash Brothers Melee, Resident Evil 4, to name a few of the few. The last two kicks until the Wii comes out, is the Super Paper Mario, and Twilight Princess, even thought you can wait and get it on the Wii. Still, grab A copy of Melee, and 3 friends who can Melee, and your set, you can fight for a long time..

Gamecube been struggling for a while. Pretty much dead now, 2 more triple A titles pegged for it before death, being Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario.



When you can't get those games anywhere else? Yeah, totally. 15 exclusive great games, to me, is more than enough reason to buy a console. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is mad.

Developers kinda stopped supporting the system a while back. Stores dont stock the consoles and games, and if they do its a tiny section. But, that doesn't bother me. Its got lots of games I want, lots of games I love. Didn't have as many games as the competition, but dunno how that makes it a failure.



Well, if you dont like those games, fair enough, but that is one ####### reason. Especially when you consider your favouries are:

Suikoden Series
Shadow Hearts series
Star Ocean Series
Metal Gear Solid Series
Devil May Cry Series

How you can say you dont like Nintendo sequel cause they are same experience, and you want something new, I dunno.



Yep, never known a game to keep 4 people that entertained for that long. Gamecube is really the best offline multiplayer console IMO.

Call it what you want. I don't like Ninty's games anymore. I haven't been playing RPG's for that long, only a few years. I played Mario 17 years ago, when I was a kid and when it still interested me. Nowadays it doesn't.

I like rpg's, Ninty has none. Apart fom Zelda (which is not really a RPG), but that game is one I don't like. I loved Ninty when I was little, nowadays I don't.

I'd advise you to look into games first, before you say anything about them.

I beg to differ. Fire Emblem, Baten Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario, Lost Kingdoms, Lost Kingdoms 2, and a few others.

The Game cube has some RPGs, and nice ones, at that. FE, ToS, PM, and LK all kept me interested long enough to play them through, moreso than most of the mainstream crappy RPGs I've played on the PS2.

EDIT: No school gives me a lack of grammar. Grammar mistakes fixed.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those =P.
Well, I played ToS, finished it and was done with it, Baten Kaitos is a game a I will probably never finish, all the others I don't even plan on playing.
Though SKies of Arcadia <3

Everyone forgets Megaman X Command Mission...

Anyway, the GC did have very few great titles for me, so I never ended up getting it. I always waited for "that game" that would make me buy the console, but those games didn't live up to my expectations I guess. (Mario Sunshine, Zelda WW, F-Zero X, Twin Snakes)
I would have gotten it for Smash Brothers only, if it wasn't for the fact that everyone else already had it, and Resident Evil 4 if there wasn't a PS2 version coming with lots of extras.
But I will buy a GC along with the new Zelda. That game alone is worth it.

If I didn't already have a Cube now, I would. Because it's dirt freakin' cheap, and that handfull of games you mention are well worth it. And at it's price, it's not a bad console to pick up even if just for it's massive amount of multiplayer party-type games to play with friends on occasion. (Mario Party's, Mario Kart, etc. etc.)

But yeah, it's to be expected that there's not a whole lot of action going on with it being matter of months before Wii's debut.

Devil May Cry and Metal Gear Solid are RPGs huh? My bad. I'm not saying you should like Nintendo games, it's just the reason "its the same game" dosen't fly when all your favourite games are sequels and remakes etc. But if you just dont like them anymore, fair enough.



Yep, Fire Emblem and Paper Mario are both Nintendo RPGs.

I'd advise you to look into games first, before you say anything about them.

Suikoden, Star Ocean and Shadow Hearts only have a couple of games, if you are gonna whine about that. Mario and Zelda for example have way more.
As I said, I don't like them anymore, I liked then when I was little, nowadays I don't.

I played the an old Fire Emblem game, aswell as the old Paper Mario, I didn't liked both, so big chance I'll like these. Besides, I already said I don't like Mario, so Paper Mario is a no-no anyway.
Fire Emblem looks nice, but I am no tactical rpg fan, so again it is a no no.

Many games for the GC are sequels, though. There isn't really a brand new RPG game or series for the GC that is going to be as revoulutionary as some of the games for the PS2 or X-Box. The Mario RPG series started back on the SNES. And while a larger series, like FF, started before that, they have changed with the times. The new Paper Mario isn't all that different from Super Mario RPG, developed by Sqaresoft back in the 90's. If you play a game like FFX and compare it to FF Mystic Quest(s, maybe?), there is a helluva difference. And the same has applied for most of the other genres as well. Games like Soul Caliber and Mortal Kombat have changed greatly since the debut of their original game. SSBM has added many new features, maps, and other crap, but the gameplay is little different. If I want to play SSB, I'll haul out my old N64, clear out the dust, and play it.

Err... isn't that kind of your problem and not really Nintendo's?
Nintendo have been getting games out, but of course it all depends if the consumer would go for them.

Anyways, GC was great to begin with but after awhile things just died down since alot of the ht shot games came out and people started playing them and finishing them. Not many were released towards the "end" and now their sectiosn been taken out of the stores.

Although, I find that silly... since now I want to buy them to play since I'm actually in a gaming mood now =_=.

Well I guess it depends how you see the question.

"Is the GameCube dead?" or "is the GameCube dead to you?"

Looks like most people have chosen to answer the later over the former.

Well, if many people pick the latter question, couldn't you just say then that the Gamecube is dead?
Nothing special coming anymore, apart from Zelda for the ones that love these games, but it'll be released on the Wii aswell, no? Dunno what the diffirence is gonna be other then the controls for the Wii.

You're going to claim those as great RPG's? The only good ones out of that list are Fire Emblem and ToS. The rest are debatable at best, and many RPG fanatics would agree with that. Lost Kingdoms is a card game if I remember right, Paper Mario is BS, and Baten Kaitos is yet another card game. Sorry, those aren't RPG's to me.

The GC was dead on arrival.

Poor 3rd party support. Quite frankly I'm tired of Nintendo's half-assness. They kicked ass in the early 90s with the SNES. It's time to claim what was once thiers >_>. They have the technology to do it..

Gamecube is by build, an awesome console.

If Nintendo going to lack in third party support, then I would expect new series from them. I'm sure they have created new series, but nothing worth mention at the moment. Nintendo should come up with newer series. You can release the sequel, but you also need to release some brand new series every now and then, which I don't see from them during N64 or GC era.

I wonder what happen to all the series they use to have? Earthbound series just flat out die. There's other series that just seem to fad away. Not that mind, if Nintendo created new series.

Nintendo has their problems, I think everyone aware of that. Not much is going to happen unless they fix them. Most of their problems have be extend for two straight consoles. I hope some of the problems they have are correct. Honestly, I think their system the best built. Not like it ever broke on me like a PS2.

Anyway, GC is quite done for me. Last new game I got for it was Fire Emblem and before that, it was Tales of Symphonia. Big gap between the games I obtain, because I had no interest in other games between Tales of Symphonia and Fire Emblem sadly.

I enjoyed the games, so I got what I paid for. I also played more games than those two for the GC in case anybody was wondering.

I agree they should build/create a new series or two, but with so many games out already, it could/would be hard for that series to take off. That's why so many series have vanished, Earthbound for example. It didn't do to good when it first came out but with the light it got from SSB Melee, I think it "could" take off now....Well Ness could anyway. However it soley depends on the consumer, if nobody really buys it or any other series for that matter, it might never see the light of day again.

Speaking of which, I'm sure we could/can expect a new Kid Icarus game to come out starring Pit ofcourse. Again with the exposure he has/is gotten/getting from SSB Brawl.

Side note the "last" game I'm gonna to buy on the Cube is Baten Kaitos 2 Origins. I liked the first one...alot.

Nintendo is still only one company. They might be the second biggest company, but they can only do so much.

They make new IPs, they can't make as many sequels. They make sequels, they can't make as many new IPs. There is no compromise, that I can see. Everyone wants new Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, Star Fox, etc etc, but then complain they make no new IP, or dont make sequals for thier lesser known IPs.

With increasing development costs and times from SNES to N64 and N64 to Cube, you can see how they got stretched thin, so naturally concentrate on the titles that are going to succeed.

Now, don't get me wrong, I completely agree they need new IPs, and it looks like things are going that way with the Wii. But, new Nintendo IPs isn't the reason the Gamecube 'failed' to succeed.

Anyone who says Nintendo isn't [finally] addressing thier problems, isn't looking very hard.

The Gamecube isn't dead yet, but it will be once the next-gen consoles come out

How is Zelda not an RPG? You are playing as a character, going around doing his quests for him, getting items, etc. That was a confusing comment

If you're going with what you said, then a lot of games would be consider an RPG.

Though, this isn't the place for this type of argue, which has been dragged out on most forums on the internet.

I'm expecting a new Kid Icarus game for the Wii. I wonder how many people knew of Pit before Smash Brother Brawl roster was released? Maybe a handful, even in Japan. More exposure of the characters in popular series like Smash Brother might kick the interest of a character's series in that game back up. I wonder how many people who like Smash Brothers would not look into a brand new Earthbound game?

IPs would be new series? If so, then you can't say it contribute or not to failure of GC. Maybe for you it didn't, but for other people, perhaps that's what made them not want a GC. If people didn't want a GC, because it didn't have new series, then that would be contribute to lower sales of the GC and in the end, the failure of GC to sell. To me? I would prefer new series to have been released myself, but it wasn't like I was going to avoid the GC, because it did not have new series. By new series, I mean by Nintendo and other companies releasing new series on GC console.

It's just observation. Nintendo saying they are addressing the problems, doesn't mean they are. Saying and doing are two different things completely. If they address their problems and fix them, then yes, they addressed their problem and fixed it.

Anyway, problems I stated in my previous post, are problems I find and have with Nintendo, not things Nintendo finds as problemic.

Well, I'll try and decipher what you've written. You're taking it a bit far now, don't you think.

The problem is, everyone still operates under the assumption that good and/or original games are what sells systems and/or makes them popular. Sadly, that hasn't been true for a long time. It is a contributing factor, but not as big as others. I'm not going to argue that point, cause it seems no one here gets it.

I think anyone who grew up playing NES knows who Pit is, but certainly anyone after then, probably not, since there hasn't been a sequel or even mention of that franchise since.

There will be a new Kid Icraus game, he wouldn't be in Brawl if Nintendo had no interest in reviving that franchise. Two daggers and a bow and arrow? Could it be more perfectly matched for Wii?

IP = Intilectual Property = Franchise.

I've said this before. The avarage joe games don't sell the consoles any more than original titles do. Certainly not to the extent of the Sony PlayStation.
Games like GTA may top the charts, but it's total sales doesn't add up to the combined sales of say three or four games that didn't make it to the top of the charts. The more of those games you have, the better.

Heres an example.

During 3 month time, Avarage Joe + friends all buy GTA 3 and Madden 2006. This causes the games to top the charts, selling millions.

During 3 month time, Hardcore Joe + friends all buy 3 - 5 games, but they all purchase different games. The sales get spread out and due to that none of the games end up selling as much as GTA.

Avarage Joe spent $80 on games during those three months.
Hardcore Joe spent between 120 - 180 during those three months.
Non-avarage gamers are more profitable for the console makers and game companies. Hardcore gamers somewhat similar taste in games and limited interest in other genres creates sales that focus more on one point, where non-casual gamers sales are generally more spread out.

Xbox (casual gamers heaven) sold only 24 Million worldwide. Not much more than the GC.
PS2 sold over 100 million worldwide. It sold that well mostly because it has a wide selection of games, and more original titles. Same reason I bought it.

QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ Jun 28 2006, 12:21 PM)

Baten Kaitos is yet another card game. Sorry, those aren't RPG's to me.

Uh...the cards are basically just your move list. It was a new way of doing a turn-based battle system, and it worked well. It's not as if you sit there playing poker with the monsters you fight...But I guess some people just assume #### like that when they hear "omg cards". It was just another way of selecting commands like in any other turn-based RPG, but with a different and more interesting aspect to it's system.

I knew that the PS2 would do well, but the Gamecube would definitely be in second if Microsoft hadnt had Halo. Halo is the game that brought up the sales of the Xbox and the reason that microsoft could afford to continue making gaming consoles. But, I believe that the gamecube is dying, but is not dead, I have a gamecube and have gotten my moneys worth out of it. The problem, however, is that there was a period where they had a lot of big releases for their biggest games such as Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. But they havent had a large release for awhile (I may be forgetting something, but I cant think of anything right now.) But good gamecube RPGs also have to have Skies of Arcadia Legends. This was one of my favorite games on the gamecube.

Not sure why you felt to make a comment about me "taking it too far". Just trying to have a discussion.


I'm not under that assumption. Good games do help sell a system, but it's just one factor. There's many factors that go into making a console popular, which equal to higher sells most likely. Good games, wide selections of games to choose from and other factors. All the factors are important and contribute the popularity and sell of the console.

I don't think one factor more important than the other. Each factor contribute to the sell of that console, no matter if it's the GC, PS2 or X-box.

Now, if we're discuss what I am looking for, then I would like a good games. I don't make a big deal about a console's game library, because a couple of good games for that console would satify me with my purchase of that console.


I doubt that Halo gave X-box and Microsoft second place in sells outside of Japan. It help, but I doubt it help THAT much.

I personally believe their selection of games appealed more to the casual gamers. You add their internet service, X-box Live, into the mix. You can see why they first second just about everywhere except Japan.

Where've you been? Mother 3 was just released in Japan on April 20th. Earthbound has done anything but " vanish " it's just not going to make it stateside because people here suck.

Why have Earthbound when we have have DBZ Budokai 5?!?!??!

As for the x-box debate here, I agree with Steve on his point that they've basically been saved by the casual gamer. There's the Halo kids of course, and the fact that Halo most certainly did save Microsoft from certain doom ( Who knows HOW, it's nothing new... But even I play it all the time ) but at the same time the X-Box thrives on EA game sales and other titles that appeal to Johnny Numbnuts in your high school gym class.

That's what I mean. For America anyway, we don't have an Earthbound. I would expect a console version to be released. Not to mention Mother 3 is on GBA. Also it's in a foreign lanuage. Say if i was to import it, most of the game is text based. So i'd be lost in translation