LifeonMars73
Jun 27 2006, 05:34 PM
Spider-Man 3 TrailerFinally unleashed to the web (no pun intended) so you don't have to go see Superman Returns to view the trailer.
Confirmed villains are Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin (II) and a fourth to be revealed at this years Comic Con.
Enjoy.
Athrun
Jun 27 2006, 06:23 PM
Very nice. So it's out this summer? That's pretty fast. I'm looking forward to this one since Venom is my favorite Spiderman villain.
Metonymy
Jun 27 2006, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (Athrun @ Jun 27 2006, 10:23 PM)

Very nice. So it's out this summer? That's pretty fast. I'm looking forward to this one since Venom is my favorite Spiderman villain.
May 2007...summer? o_O
Good news no less. Should be an entertaining movie.
Athrun
Jun 27 2006, 06:27 PM
I was thinking about the message in the trailer. Thought it said "this summer".
Well I guess there are some good movies coming out between now and then, so it's okay.
AnimePaul
Jun 27 2006, 07:19 PM
I hope thats not spideys symbiate outfit because its basicly a black spiderman suit because that does not look like a symbiate spiderman. I'm guessing they haven't finished up the actual symbiate spiderman design. Which looks like this:

Or a more updated look to this.
The Hero of Time
Jun 28 2006, 12:14 AM
Or maybe it's Hollywood, AnimePaul, and they do whatever they want regardless of source material.
Anyway, I liked the trailer. I'm not Spiderman buff, so I dunno what's going on. I always thought Venom was another person, not Spiderman gone evil.
Someone please fill in the gaps.
LifeonMars73
Jun 28 2006, 03:23 AM
After the first Secret War (In which the God like entity abducted Earth's greatest heroes and villains and brought them to a far away alien planet to do battle), Spider-Man's web shooters were destroyed after Molecule Man dropped a mountain on them, and his costume was pretty totalled as well. Thor and another Avenger (escapes me at the moment) spoke of an alien device that could create a new costume as well as any equipment he might need. However Spider-Man activated the wrong machine and unleashed an alien symbiote.
As soon as he melded with the symbiote (still believing it was merely an advanced alien outfit), he found it gave him the new black costume, an unlimited supply of webbing and it could also mimic street clothes.
Eventually the the true nature of the symbiote was revealed, as during the night it would meld with Parker's unconcious body and force him to fight crime, desiring to permanently meld with him. Spider-Man sought help from Mr Fantastic and found that sonic waves could hurt the symbiote. Spider-Man's will to reject the creature along with the ringing of a church bell removed it, and it slithered away, everyone presuming to die.
Meanwhile in Amazing Spider-Man (It may be Spectacular, not sure) there was a serial killer on the loose, known as the Sin-Eater. Eddie Brock, a reporter for The Daily Globe, wrote a series of columns outing Emil Gregg as the Sin-Eater. Eventually, when Spider-Man caught the true culprit, policeman Stan Carter, Emil was revealed to be a compulsive confessor. The Daily Globe was ridiculed and Eddie Brock was fired, becoming a trashy reporter for scandal magazines as he was shunned by his peers.
Brock developed an obsessive hatred of Spider-Man and constantly weight-lifted in order to shift his obsession to a more healthy focus. Brock planned to kill himself and went to church, asking God for forgiveness. Here the symbiote found Eddie and bonded with him. Both were permanently damaged by the bonding process. Brock took the name "Venom" from the gossip and lies he was forced to write after his fall from grace.
Originally, Eddie Brock planned to kill himself over his hatred of Spider-Man. However this was retconned as it was revealed Brock was diagnosed with cancer three months before the Sin-Eater event, and was actually commiting suicide due to his terminal illness.
Likewise, the symbiote originally sought out Brock because of his hatred of Peter Parker / Spider-Man. However this again was retconned to reveal that the cancer Brock had contracted produced enhanced adrenaline which is what the symbiote feeds off of. This means that the symbiote also produced a cure for cancer for Brock. Whether just to keep it's host alive, or out of purely altruistic motives is unknown.
So there's the brief origin of the black costume, full of pointless crap that I found interesting so I included it. My memory is a bit sketchy and I don't have all the 1980's issues pertaining to this, so if anything is wrong I apologise. But there's the gist of it.
The Evil Dead
Jun 28 2006, 08:18 AM
I'm quite sure they're going to be using the actual symbiote suit for Spidey... Although who knows what the final result of that will be given that technology may not be able to make a living suit look that good without CGing the hell of it ... So maybe they have just settled with a costume.
I dunno, we'll find out... Either way I'm pretty amped for this. Sam Raimi is one of the greatest directors of our time, and I think that's shown with the past two Spiderman films. I felt that Spidey 2 crushed the original... It felt like a real movie that touched on everything from emotion to action, something a lot of super hero movies don't bother to do. I hope that the third stays on track, and I've no doubt that it will.
Lostprophet
Jul 6 2006, 11:29 AM
The Spider Man movies are done well, but I think they suffer from bad casting and ridiculous dialogue.
Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? C'mon. Topher should have been Peter originally. He fits the part of him perfectly. He's also sarcastic and witty enough to pull off Spidey's in-battle-banter, something Tobey Macguire sucks at.
And Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane? That's as bad as Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane. Kirsten doesn't pull off the Mary Jane vibe. Mary Jane is supposed to be the gorgeous supermodel, and Kirsten still looks like she should be in high school.
I do like James Franco as Harry and Willem Dafoe as Norman(I wish the GG outfit didn't look like a laughable piece of junk). Alfred Molina(is that right?) was a perfect Doc. Ock, but come on, lead roles like Pete and MJ should've been better.
Still though, the trailer already looks better than the first two movies combined.
That is the symbiote suit, by the way. That's it. Don't you see Pete trying to rip it off in the bell tower? I think that since they made his webshooters organic in this continuity and pissed off a bunch of fans, they should do something smart with them and let the symbiote find some of his webbing before it finds Pete and be drawn to him through that.
Rumor has it the fourth villain is the Lizard.
I'm working on my own draft of what I wish this movie would be like. It's pretty bad-ass to me.
I'm definitely gonna see this one, but I just wish Tobey would step it up at Pete, because he's pretty boring.
Athrun
Jul 6 2006, 01:48 PM
I don't like the symbiote suit then. It shouldn't have that grid on the chest and arms. Just looks like a different color version of his normal suit.
And the "That 70's show" guy as Brock? I thought Brock was supposed to be a beefed up muscular blonde guy?
It looks like Venom and Spiderman will have similar physique then. I always prefered Venom as the bigger and heavier one, and Carnage as skinny, or Spiderman's size.
Monty
Jul 6 2006, 04:55 PM
This is horrible. I have an idea, lets just waist 2 movies of really good plot and excellent story progression that matches the original book. Then cave in for the last movie so people can see freaking venom on the screen. Nevermind it will be done horribly having a sizzle chest play venom. Forget that. The teaser did one thing, it pissed the living ##### out of me.
The 2nd Green Goblin and The Lizardman would have ended the trilogy amazingly.
Screw artist integrity that was upheld for the most part in the last two movies. Screw it, we don't need it for the third. We can avoid tons of plot just because people want to see a black suit with a huge mouth full of teeth that's only weakness is loud noise. Great!

Monty
Athrun
Jul 6 2006, 05:06 PM
What exactly don't you like about it Monty? The fact that it's done poorly, or the fact that it's done at all?
I always thought of Venom as one of the most epic villains in the series, and the whole black suit arch was pretty interesting to me. (I still have the comics from that part.)
chaos768
Jul 6 2006, 05:15 PM
I've liked the past 2 movies pretty well. But I have to admit, I was a little disappointed when I saw the first trailer for the third. It looks neat and all but.....I'm not sure I like the villian in this one and how it appears to be played out. Awe well, we dumb Americans

and I mean that in the best possible way

, will just have to wait until May of next year to see if we like it.
Monty
Jul 6 2006, 06:30 PM
QUOTE (Athrun @ Jul 6 2006, 08:06 PM)

What exactly don't you like about it Monty? The fact that it's done poorly, or the fact that it's done at all?
I always thought of Venom as one of the most epic villains in the series, and the whole black suit arch was pretty interesting to me. (I still have the comics from that part.)
Both actually, A) they did it, they scrapped a great story arc to include venom.

They did a piss poor job with venom.
I mean if you do it, at least do it in a manner that would actually be acceptable. Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? It is Assinine. Complete and total bull. Eddie Brock = Meathead. Topher Grace = underweight skinny kid.
Harry Osmond insane was a very captivating storyline in the original series and it messed completely with Spiderman's head. Completely.
Monty
reanimation
Jul 7 2006, 05:55 PM
Four villains. One movie. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
If I remember correctly, the only villain that they actually had the courteousy to include a back-story for in the previous two Spiderman was the Hob-goblin, which means that.... well.... screw character development. Who needs it anyway?
I mean, I loved Spiderman 2, because of everything it included. You got to feel why the characters were doing what they were doing because the light in which they were shown. To me, this just makes it feel like the third is going to be overpacked.... The trailer looked awesome, but that doesn't mean anything for the actual story...
Athrun
Jul 7 2006, 06:05 PM
QUOTE (reanimation @ Jul 8 2006, 03:55 AM)

Four villains. One movie. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
Who's the fourth? Green Goblin, Venom, Lizardman and...?
Perhaps Venom won't even be a villain in the film, but that it will end with Brock getting the black suit after Spiderman gets rid of it.
Monty
Jul 7 2006, 06:13 PM
QUOTE
Four villains. One movie. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
If I remember correctly, the only villain that they actually had the courteousy to include a back-story for in the previous two Spiderman was the Hob-goblin, which means that.... well.... screw character development. Who needs it anyway?
I mean, I loved Spiderman 2, because of everything it included. You got to feel why the characters were doing what they were doing because the light in which they were shown. To me, this just makes it feel like the third is going to be overpacked.... The trailer looked awesome, but that doesn't mean anything for the actual story...
Quoted for Truth.
Although, it isn't hob-goblin it is the 2nd Green Goblin. Hob Goblin is another entirely different can of worms.
2nd Green Goblin as the main villian and Lizardman as a side trip.
I don't know why they went from a one movie, one villian idea like the first two movies, to completely depart from that to include 3+ villians...
It doesn't make sense.
LifeonMars73
Jul 7 2006, 07:28 PM
It happens in the comic books. Spider-Man starts off fighting one villain at a time, and eventually they either team up and attack or him or he gets some bad luck and has to fight multiple foes. Besides, most of the rumours indicate Harry Osbourne has a much more Machiavellian presence, battling Parker with his mind as opposed to his brawn as shown in the trailer.
The Lizard was scrapped as a villain due to his origins. It was felt that a third "Sympathetic, yet eccentric scientist makes a mistake and turns himself into a monster" plot would be stretching it.
And once again I'm going to have to point out the Spider-Man movies are more based on the Ultimate continuity than the 616 continuity. So Topher Grace as Eddie Brock makes perfect sense. Venom could also easily work using Ultimate sources, as in that background it's much less of a stretch than the Secret War alien symbiote plot.
Monty
Jul 7 2006, 07:41 PM
QUOTE (LifeonMars73 @ Jul 7 2006, 10:28 PM)

And once again I'm going to have to point out the Spider-Man movies are more based on the Ultimate continuity than the 616 continuity. So Topher Grace as Eddie Brock makes perfect sense. Venom could also easily work using Ultimate sources, as in that background it's much less of a stretch than the Secret War alien symbiote plot.
Huh?
The first two comics seriously work perfectly for the 616 series. I don't know where you get your info, but I am going to have to say you are completely wrong.
I bought the switching to the Ultimate universe for X-men because it was a new director new outlook. I will not take it for the Spiderman movies, because the director has not changed.
I am going to state this for the record. Venom is a horrible villian for movies. He is too much CG and not enough live action. There needs to be a balance and you can't get that from Venom.
Monty
LifeonMars73
Jul 8 2006, 04:07 AM
The comics work perfectly for both the 616 and Ultimate universes as Spider-Man / Parker changed little in the transition. As the everyman of the Marvel universe he has to remain relatively constant. If you read the Ultimate continuity, you will notice that many of the characters are more like their Ultimate counterparts. Regardless, the comics follow their own continuity set outside 616, 2099, Earth X, Ultimate, MC2 etc
Once again, using the Ultimate Venom symbiote / suit you could display a fair bit as live action. Granted it wouldn't be Topher Grace, but some bulked up stunt double in a costume, but it's possible.
Lostprophet
Jul 9 2006, 02:51 PM
Sam Raimi has confirmed that Venom is only in the movie for the last few minutes. Venom is not supposed to be the spectacle point of the movie.
The fourth villain is either Lizard or...Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Let's pray it's the latter.
Athrun
Jul 9 2006, 05:38 PM
Figured we might not get to see much of Venom, since Parker is seen wearing the black suit in most of the trailer.
And what's that sand monster thing? Is that a villain too?
LifeonMars73
Jul 10 2006, 12:44 AM
Yeah that's Flint Marko, Sandman.
Hound
Jul 19 2006, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (Lostprophet @ Jul 6 2006, 01:29 PM)

The Spider Man movies are done well, but I think they suffer from bad casting and ridiculous dialogue.
Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? C'mon. Topher should have been Peter originally. He fits the part of him perfectly. He's also sarcastic and witty enough to pull off Spidey's in-battle-banter, something Tobey Macguire sucks at.
And Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane? That's as bad as Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane. Kirsten doesn't pull off the Mary Jane vibe. Mary Jane is supposed to be the gorgeous supermodel, and Kirsten still looks like she should be in high school.
I do like James Franco as Harry and Willem Dafoe as Norman(I wish the GG outfit didn't look like a laughable piece of junk). Alfred Molina(is that right?) was a perfect Doc. Ock, but come on, lead roles like Pete and MJ should've been better.
Still though, the trailer already looks better than the first two movies combined.
That is the symbiote suit, by the way. That's it. Don't you see Pete trying to rip it off in the bell tower? I think that since they made his webshooters organic in this continuity and pissed off a bunch of fans, they should do something smart with them and let the symbiote find some of his webbing before it finds Pete and be drawn to him through that.
Rumor has it the fourth villain is the Lizard.
I'm working on my own draft of what I wish this movie would be like. It's pretty bad-ass to me.
I'm definitely gonna see this one, but I just wish Tobey would step it up at Pete, because he's pretty boring.
You hit right on the spot. Everything mentioned was as if it came right from my mouth.
As for the Lizard, I believe that is supposed to be the other professor. The one who was close friends with Dr. Octavius. I was thinking it was going to be John Jameson (the fiancee in the second one) as Wolf-Man. It struck me odd. I figured he would be the perfect character for a dark movie. This new one looks great. I am definitely there.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.