Hey everyone! I started this on IGN and I'm starting to pass the word. If you know of any other forums or Xenosaga friends, please send this to them!

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/xenosagaliveson

Also, Sunrider's Xenosaga Petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/xenosaga_series/

" Xenosaga I was an enormous success. Xenosaga III received 33/40 out of Famitsu magazine. The characters are easily recognizable in the gaming industry, and the series is up to par with most mainstream games like Final Fantasy. This should be enough incentive to continue the series and not end it at III.

Do not pull the plug on Xenosaga. Gamers need more beautiful, artistic and story-rich games like Xenosaga and Xenogears. Often, they're replaced with storyless games. While some gamers complained about Xenosaga's length, you sold it off well with the statement: "Why play an RPG when you don't want the story?" I believe it's not only the gamers who prevent such games from being created, but also budget cuts.

Whatever the controversy is with Xenosaga and Xenogears is, does not matter. Most fans would enjoy the promised six episode story, regardless of connection or no connection. Xenosaga is an amazing game.

Please, please, KEEP XENOSAGA GOING! ""

Thirteen signatures on the first day!! C'mon guys!! We can at least show Namco how revered Xenosaga is!!

I hope you know that these petitions NEVER work and are nothing more than a waste of time. People have tried to do it numerous times with various game series, generally on RPG's that people want to see stateside, and they don't matter.

Has Namco or Monolith even stated that there will be no more entries in the Xeno series, reguardless of whether or not it's got " saga " tacked on to it? The games were fairly successful all the way around, so I don't see why they'd stop working on the series in some form or another.

If anything, they're quite popular and there's the even the DS version of the first two Saga games coming out... ( Yes I know everyone already knows that, just making a point )

If they have stated that they've stopped making Xeno games, then that's pretty much going to be the end of the series reguardless of how many signatures you have.

I myself have enjoyed Xenogears and Xenosaga ( I'm only like 20 hours into it ) so seeing more of these games would be great, but if they're going to stop the series it won't break my heart.

There was a bit of controvercy around the production. First it was presented as being a six episodes series. Then around Episode 2, the directors wife was fired for no apparent reason (she was the co writer, or main writer?) and Monolith started going in and changing things and taking out certain scenes that were later published on her blog. And the fans didn't like what they saw was taken out. Episode 2 didn't do as well as the first game in sales, and definitely not in the eyes of the fans.
Then all of a sudden Episode 3 is presented as the final Episode, while it was only supposed to be the last game featuring Shion and co's story.
Kos-mos and chaos were supposed to be in Episode 4 - 6 in a somewhat distant future. (At least that's all they specified)


Well I'll sign the petition since I'm a big fan of the series, but I'm not really going to hold my breath.

Well, even if it is a waste of time to do this, its not like I just wasted more than 10 seconds and increased the chances of them continuing. So I say go ahead and sign to help keep one of my favorite game series going.

Uhm no, I'll pass on this one. As I've mentioned before, they already nicely butchered quite a few things about Xenosaga. They're going all out to correct their "little" error and go out with a bang with Episode III. I'd rather have them conclude the saga like that then to go on with an already altered plot, and possibly mess it up some more.

Obviously I do want the Xeno series to go on, but not in the form of Xenosaga. That, and as TED said these things almost certainly never make any difference anyway.

Damn, it's been a while since I've posted anything

As hopeful as this may seem, Xenosaga might continue in some form or another in the future. To be sure, this continuation -- if it takes place -- will not hinge on some online petition with 40 or 50 signatures; or, for that matter, 2000 or 3000 signatures. A lot of people pretend to be economists when it comes to Xenosaga, saying that it didn't sell enough and can't continue. By that coin, however, Episode III shouldn't even exist. These individuals who like dealing out cold numbers often forget that big companies think just as coldly: if a product is not working, they will not "make another" just for the fans. No need to dig out the painful splinter of Shenmue III for those of us still humbly waiting for *that.*

Of course, I won't be so pretensious as to claim that XS will continue. It may not. If you wanted my guess, it won't. Still, numbers are not always indicative of a game's future. If MSI/Namco wished to create another "Xeno" series, adopt new, aggressive marketing campaigns, and focus on quality, they could still come out on top. What's more, Xenosaga - as plenty of people like to point out - is MSI's flagship series. They probably won't let it die so easily. Also, for those people who just can't get over numbers, remember that XS, for all its "epic" tendancies, is on a budget that shares no comparison with games such as FFXII. That being said, the numbers aren't always comparable, either.

And please don't misconstrue what I'm saying here Xenosaga may be just as dead as many suspect. This is simply speculation from the "other" side.

What other side? Thats ##### creepy dude, you freak me out, OTHER SIDE WOWOWWWWW.

*ahem*

The way i understood the official statement by Namco and Monolith is that EP3 would the last in the current storyline, could be wishful thinking but I still think they could go on. The problem lies in ep2 which was an under par effort mostly due to what Hicks said about the director's wife who was pretty much behind everything. I hope they redemn themselves with EP3 which looks good so far.

Now about online petitions, Get some cultorizomation at Snopes Bitchez:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.htm

OMG, online petitions dont work?! I dont know what to believe in anymore.

But, like I said before, its not like it takes any time. But now that I think about it, I wouldnt want them to continue this Xeno series on the path its on now. But, they will bring their Xeno series back, and fail once again. We will just never get the true Xeno series.

Completely ignoring the economical side regarding this matter, there's also the issue of those behind the series. As said, Takahashi's wife was "nicely" removed from the project while Takahashi himself had little to no influence on Episode II either. However, he somewhat regained it again in Episode III, as this is what I've seen posted about his involvement in Episode III: "Author, Music coordinator, Supervisor of scenario and database; Tetsuya Takahashi (MONOLITH SOFTWARE INC.)"

This coming from the game's credits, so I guess that's at least one good sign. ^^''

I'm going to end up repeating people, but it needs to be emphasized... EPISODE II KILLED THE SERIES. And Athrun, I think she was the co writer and the husband was the main.

I agree with this: WHENEVER the original writers *poof* the series gets ##### up(Suikoden anyone???).

They needed to make a game called Xenosaga Episode II: Reloaded (the way it was meant to be seen) and un-#### it up. Then, they hold off on episode III until it fits with the story.

But, this won't happen. DAMN YOU EPISODE II!!!!!!

Xenosaga II for DS is pretty much the way Episode II was intended. It was written by Takahashi himself, and there are quite a few differences (general spoilers ahead). Like Virgil actually shows up a few times, the Ormus Stronghold is non-existant, and Orgulla isn't in it at all (apparently she was a character added by the new script writers). The story also shows things more from Shion's point of view instead of Rubedo's (though that's actually something I think doesn't work very well, like how they go to face Albedo in the space time anomaly with the entire party in the DS version).

Too bad, but for the moment it doesn't seem the DS version is gonna make it outside of Japan.

Episode II was certainly a thorn in Xenosaga's side. Anyone who's read my (lenghty) posts about it knows how I feel about it Still, I've been playing through Episode III -- nearly finished -- and I can report that it mostly does what it sets out to do, and any fan of Xenosaga Episode I would likely be doing themselves a significant disservice to not play it out of hatred for Episode II.

As for Soraya Saga, she was a scenario writer, and the wife of Takahashi. Just to clear it up.

Orgulla wasn't added by the new script writers. She was mentioned in the ODM (as an expiriment of Human Transport via UMN). She's simply not important enough to be anywhere in the main storyline though, and the Ormus Stronghold was pointless, completely.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway.

I've been hearing rumors about Namco selling the rights to a small company so that they can continue making games, that're, like, most "targeted" towards fans.

But I'm not sure whether that's been confirmed.

Yeah, that's going in the bin of unsubstantiated rumors (Right next to Takahashi's "new" religiously-inspired trilogy that has nothing to do with Xenosaga)

It's not likely that Namco (or is it Bamco these days?) is going to drop the Xeno rights, and even more unlikely that a small company -- especially one that has any idea of the history of Xeno, the fans, and the drama -- will have the ability or desire to take XS and run with it.

As much as I love Xenosaga, I don't want them to try and make more of them right now. Not after all the problems they've had. It pains me to say it as the series is my absolute favorite series, but I'd rather have the ones we have now that are good than have three more that end up with more problems. I was a bit disappointed when I learned of the length cut, but it's probably best. They need to keep the integrity of the series. And right now, it's too dangerous to risk. Maybe down the road, a few years from now, maybe they'll be able to bring new life to it.

I didnt find an actual Episode III dealing topic in the forum (or didnt bother to look past the first page, pick one) and this was the closest thing to debating the present and future of the series, if i ##### up, just do your mod thing.

Anyway, IGN sent a couple of questions made by their forum population over to Namco (bandai, ugh) so enjoy here, i would copy and paste but, i think it doesnt serve any real purpose if you can just click the link and read.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/724/724727p1.html

Over this i must highlight a couple of the Q&As



Like my wishful thinking was, well thinking, the end of the trilogy doesnt mean the end of Xenosaga, even a possible PS3 continuance if the fans and sales are consistent. The fan part is of course #######, look what they gave us after we bought their damn game, episode II, so they just dont give too much of a ##### about us.

About Takahashi



So, he is kinda there but not all the way.

And last but not least



Thank the lord, they could have done the same thing for chaos dont you think.

DISCUSS!!!!!!!!!!

There's a topic about Episode III right at the top of the list, it's the pinned "New Scans" topic. And I already posted that Q & A with Namco in it yesterday. Hence you'll find it being discussed in there.

Well they should change the name of the damn thing, i mean scans is not the same thing as news or whatever. But anyway, ok, my bad.

this is soo sad. I hope we get satisfied with this episode or else!!!!! It looks like a nice ending though, although I'd wish it went back to have 6 games instead of 3.... but reading some of these posts made a lot of sense why they are cutting back on the number of games.

Well it probably wouldn't have been much different if there were 6 episodes to now there being only 3... Shion's story was always meant to end by the thrid episode and the only re-occuring character afterwards would be chaos and KOS-MOS (True KOS-MOS I assume). The only things that we're probably missing out on are things that are started in this episode but finished in the later ones.

Personally, I think that I would prefer another Xeno title to an episode 4... especially seeing as it seems that everything is tied up neatly in episode 3.

The only thing is that most likely chaos and true KOS-MOS, plus their "relationship" (I already know in what sense, so I'll leave it at that) would have been more properly developed. Now in Episode III it will probably seem a bit awkward, with little room to go in-depth on those two characters and their bond.

Too bad, but I'm sure it will still make sense. It's just the lack of further developing chaos and (true) KOS-MOS that might stand out a bit, but knowing this we can probably just fill in those things ourselves somewhat.

Xenosaga petition has been started in order ot make Bandai Namco games aware that WE WANT MORE.

Xenosaga Petition

Please sticky this topic if possible.

Hm, we have another topic about a XS petition, but it's a different one. I was thinking of merging the topic first, but then again maybe that's rather inconvenient, having the link to the second petition so much further into the topic. I can't decide (great start, Xern xD ).

Either way, I'm gonna put a link to the other topic (clickie) so you can check people's views on petitions like this (rather negative, 'fraid to say =p ).

well i do not wish for this to turn into a debate. I know the chances of it working and I feel that this is one of the only things to do to keep the series alive within my power. I scanned over the previous post and I understand many's views on XenoII's blunder's but the third one is immaculate in my opinion and from what I've seen on various forum's many feel the same way.
Whether it be in vain or not it's a simple signature, and a possible chance of extending a wonderful story and RPG.

As i said though, I do not wish this to be turned into a debate.

I shall quote myself from the refered other topic.

These things never work. Power to the people applies to government, not corporate tycoons.

Sorry Xern, I'm merging it... Much like with the duplicated XS3 threads there's just no need for two of the exact same threads. The problem of the link not being viewed in the first post can be fixed by editing it in.

I myself don't think III is really the end, since it asks you to save an End Data. And PS3 is likely to accept PS2 Memory Card as well.
Sure you could say it's just to see the end on the Data section. But really, is that really it?

I believe -- or WANT to believe -- that they just may make an Episode IV, likely filling the blanks to link to Xenogears (Episode V).
And I RE~~~ALLY WANT to play a remake of Xenogears, one to ride that SUPER COOL version of Weltall (Omega Universatas) and that preferebly don't change to third person text story at the letar third part of the game.

This probably won't be a succesful petition, but I have seen other - things I thought were impossible happen. So you have my signature.

I'd rather have the original team back than have the current team who were behind the third to continue the series. The new team are not original and have brought in very little innovation. The battle engine, such as the ES, the storyline were all planned. The music received somewhat of a downgrade but I could manage it, though.

Now don't get me wrong, Episode III is great, a definite 8/10 while the story is a perfect 10. However it does not feel as grand as Xenogears. This is a PS2 game, it should feel more like an evolution of Xenogears than this game which has mediocre flow - cutscene --> little exploration --> dungeon --> another dungeon ---> another dungeon...what the heck? The RPGs of the old, even Ultima had emphasis on adventure and thats what places RPGs outside action-adventure. It's obvious that they're looking to make as much profit as possible and hence insert a bunch of dungeons.

The storyline also took a huge hit, it's an excellent story yet it is being rushed. Episode III did manage to conclude Shion's arc well, though. I would've taken a more complete story with no changes; and so would many, hence XG's second disc. That game still managed to sell the most, not FF-level, but most who are into this series are looking to be blown away by this complex story. Not even Final Fantasy can touch this series in terms of story. Heck I usually don't see much of a strong story in the later versions, but even FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, maybe X and XII has an excellent flow rather than dungeon madness. O_O

The real solution is to try to get that DS version released in North America. The original director will be shaping this title and the Episode I-II merger has a purpose. It's supposed to remove the emptiness in the second episode and what we still see in third Episode. Get Soraya Saga back, and really try to bring the game to what they wanted it to be. There is a chance to not screw it up in the new arcs. They ought to release a Pied Piper remake on the DS or PS2, which features augmented visuals. The purpose of ths remake is to turn this title into a full-scale game like Xenogears. And it is odd, when the world of Xenogears feels larger than Xenosaga even though it involves several planets. O_O


The new teams vision to make the hip is moronic and try to implement some mediocre crap like .Hack into this Godly title. Now they're just plagiarizing storyline elements from Xenogears with Weltall, Deus, etc. If that needs to be done, the original team would do much better bring a title that matches Xenogears. if this isn't possible then the team should just leave Monolith and work under another developer. I could care less if Microsoft decides to give them the resources and freedom, because in the end we'd have a series that isn't held back. Xenosaga Episode III does a better job ending thes series than continuing it.

sorry but most of the time these things dont work but im in fir it anyway so u got my support