Ok, I've seen this pic floating around in various sigs and whatnot at several sites. And it may have been posted in it's full version somewhere here. But I think it's worthy of discussion. Is this a hint to something that might happen in the game? Or is it more like the concept of chaos holding U-DO....nothing revealed officially about that as of yet. So, here's a link to the image...too big to put here. What are your thoughts?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5404/424f2a8bls9.jpg

The picture may need expanded.

Where exactly do you see chaos holding U-DO in that image?
I see KOS-MOS and Shion in opposite positions of eachother.
And that's the pic used for my sig.

I see a great picture of KOS-MOS showing wonderful android boobage... Are you sure you posted the right image?

No. I believe you misread that. I was referring to the concept art from the second game:



what I was saying is, that piece of concept art has not been answered as why he's holding it and what's going on. So, I was wondering if perhaps the previous image, of KOS-MOS and ?????? it's not Shion....was perhaps something that happens in the game, or maybe not.

And Android boobage? Please. Anyway, take a close look at the picture. KOS-MOS is in pieces.

I'm still not quite sure why made the link between the chaos and KOS-MOS pic? Did you mean that since the chaos pic hadn't been explained/that scene wasn't in the game, the same might apply to the KOS-MOS pic (it being symbolism and not actually appearing in the game like that)? Is that it...? ^^''

Well, as for the chaos pic; I didn't even realise it was supposed to be part of U-DO, I thought it was just one of his magic skills (some sort of energy blast charging up). But now that you mention it, it does have that red U-DO aura.

But you know, some ancient rumors (apparently leaked info, but still classified as rumors) hinted at something about this: "It is possible that chaos is, in fact, a part of U-DO itself". So perhaps that concept art further hints at this.

As for the KOS-MOS pic, I'm aware the other girl isn't Shion (but I don't know who it is, I just read elsewhere that it isn't supposed to be Shion). I'm guessing it might be true KOS-MOS, which would fit with the possible symbolism of that pic.

Speaking of which, I think it might symbolise KOS-MOS "dying" and true KOS-MOS awakening in her place. On the official site it does say: "The death of one awakens a path to the end" and Wilhelm also said: "When the path to Lost Jerusalem is opened, KOS-MOS will awaken". So that's basically what I think that KOS-MOS concept art might be symbolising.

Yeah, that's the connection I'm making. And yeah, I know about those "documents" But I said "officially answered."

That's a nice theory, and it works based on the standpoint of all that we know about the game. But it's not one I'm personally leaning toward believing. This being the reason:

We know that Telos is another android supposedly modeled after KOS-MOS. At some point in the game you fight Telos. And the flash trailer with that tagline only has two characters on it, Telos and KOS-MOS. Wilhelm says at one point, not KOS-MOS will awaken, but the OTHER one will awaken. Telos perhaps? So, I'm thinking what that tagline is meaning is one of those two dying.....

What is intresting is that the mystery woman has Shion/Kevin's pendant. It would make sense for it to be Kevin's mum because Kevin pratically built KOS-MOS and we know that he watched her die. However, True Kos-Mos being Kevin's mum just doesn't seem right to me. I guess we'll see...

Thats an interesting picture of chaos... I hadn't seen that before and that does seem to be U-Do... but is he controlling it? Destroying it? Who knows...

Yeah, I thought that was interesting myself.

There has been little to no info about that pic. Mostly speculation. But on many sites and forums I've been to, it's generally agreed that he's containing U-DO, as he seems to be pained in the picture.

Here's a close-up of it:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3277/yeshuapb8.jpg

Once again, image may need to be expanded.

Yeah it's probably not Shion after all, but she is wearing Shion's pendant, so that's why I thought she was Shion. She looks more like real KOS-MOS though.

And I never noticed that chaos is holding U-DO. It does look like it, so perhaps something like that will happen in Episode 3.

As for the KOS-MOS pic, perhaps that pendant is somehow the key to KOS-MOS true self.

Indeed, it doesn't seem to fit. First of all, from the trailer(s) I got the impression Kevin's mother was a normal, human woman. She Gnosified in front of young Kevin's eyes and is most likely very dead now (unless she still wanders the place as a Gnosified being, but after so many years I take it such a transformation would eventually have killed her off regardless).

And secondly, we've also already seen what true KOS-MOS looks like in the trailers. She has very long hair, on the other hand Kevin's mother didn't have very long hair. So that seems like quite an unlikely possibility to me.

This is kind of off topic, but other than the fact that Kevin's mother being KOS-MOS doesnt seem to work for me, does anyone here think that it would be cool and make the story better if that if (when) they do an encephalon dive, they make one of the bosses the gnosified version of Kevin's mother? Of course, this would take place after you already know about her. If this doesnt fit with the topic, I will start a new one and get rid of this post.

That would be an interesting twist. might make for a good thread too.

On the matter of the concept art, there has been symbolic art before; there's an image of Shion & KOS-MOS, with chaos and Wilhelm facing away from eachother in the background. I was gonna mention this before, but I couldn't find the pic back then xP . I'm talking about this one:



I think it's quite clear what the pic is getting at; the bond between Shion and KOS-MOS, chaos' and Wilhelm's mutual interest regarding KOS-MOS (yet with different goals in mind, hence why they face away from eachother), and all seemingly connected with the Zohar (which is nicely on top of it all).

So far that hasn't been all explained yet either, it's more a hint of things to come. I'm quite sure that Episode III KOS-MOS image is further hinting about KOS-MOS' true nature (which is also why I assume the other person is true KOS-MOS, seems to make the most sense so far =p ).

Yeah, I like that piece of art alot. It says alot about the story, yet at the same time, not a direct event so-to-speak in the game. Well, in 7 days we'll know. Well, longer than that depending on how long it takes people to finish.

Even though it's coming out in America, that doesn't mean that you can spoiler it >.> Remember to keep all spoilers in spoiler topics... due to the severe lack of funds I won't get hold of the game for a while (especially if I wait for the non-existant PAL release)...

I had always thought that Concept art quite strange but what I do notice about it is the importance of eyes... Chaos' blue eyes and Wilhelms Red eyes are clearly visable while both shion and KOS-MOS have their eyes closed. There seems to big a big importance put on eye and eye clolour in Xenosaga (True KOS-MOS, realians ect. ect.) which is why I can't help but feel that the patriarchs eye colour being yellow is slightly significant. Maybe if the game wasn't to be so heavily cut we could find out why exactly he had yellow eyes and even who (or what) he is.

Yes, the eye color seems to have some significance. It's something I've noticed early on; Wilhelm and KOS-MOS have the same kind of red eyes while chaos' eye color is closer to true KOS-MOS' (I mean when KOS-MOS' eyes turn blue). However, it's not as similar as the eye color resemblance between Wilhelm and red-eyed KOS-MOS. But now that T-elos has been thrown in the mix, I must say her eye color resembles chaos' a lot.

Which brings me to the next point; chaos' eye color has always been officially described as being "translucent blue", but in the games it always appeared to be more green-ish. In Episode III they finally corrected that, as now chaos' eyes do indeed look blue (unlike in the previous episodes).

... I think I'm done rambling about the eye colors now. xP