As for me, I got every character to complete both line of skills and My trick is, when I was in Abel's Ark, where I have to enter the 4 spheres.
I entered the Orange one. Then I went and fight the robots. I used Jin's, Jr.'s, and Momo's E.S. Don't kill all of them. The thats the trick. Right when the battle starts, all your E.S should have first attack. Jin and Jr.'s E.S. should have first attack. use them to attack, then use Momo's to escape. you'll get a little experience but thats not what we are after. the reason why you fight the robots are just to charge your Anima boost. Repeat until Jin and Jr's ES are filled. then go and fight the Gnosis. make sure there are 6 of them. then blast Jin or Jr's. E.S. 2nd special. their specials should only kill 5 enemies. Then run and leave the last one standing. then escape. You should get 30SP, lots of EXP, Money, and also items that will heal one ES to full health. then back to the robots to charge Jin and Jr.'s Anima guage. and repeat. but remember to always leave one opponent standing and escape that way, there will always be an enemy for you to go to instead of haveing to go to the next screen and returning so there will be an enemy at that spot agian. But if you killed all of the enemies, then just go forward and come back to the same area and the enemies will appear agian. yea, I'm pretty sure you guys all know that part. . It worked for me, it should work for you. if you don't understand me, then ask what you don't understan and I'll try to explain it the way that you can understand it.
Peace!

Note: if you want to complete all their skills then you'll ahve to stay there and do it for about 1-2 Hrs. I did. And you can also try this else where. like anyplace where you are controlling the E.S instead of the characters. and where enemies give you a lot of SP.

I simply used Trap + Escape to build their Anima, went up 1-3 at the beginning of each battle due to the trap, level 2 Special, rebuy when low on traps

Going into the home stretch here. Second fight against T-elos is next.

I must say, though. I was VERY VERY pleased to see how much stuff related to Pied Piper there was once you landed on Michtam.

As was I. Voyager was teh badass. lol The fight with E.S. Dan was great, seriously. The E.S. fights on Michtam were all spectacular though his and Margulis' fights stand out the most.

I couldn't agree more.

Well, T-elos is beaten. And XS3 has just uprooted Xenogears as my most favorite RPG ever. I mean, any video game that DARES to portray Jesus, even for like, 10 seconds, has serious balls. The 'new' KOS-MOS's special attack is pretty damn useful too.

On to Kevin and Zarathustra! Expect it beaten this weekend!

Kevin's a douche. lol I can't stand him. But, good for you. ^^ Glad you like it.

He is, really. Manipulating poor Shion into all this. But, we'll see how it goes. He's already faced a huge turn seeing as how it's T-elos and not Kos-Mos that should have been awakened. Not like I care. <_>

On-foot in labyrinthos gives some pretty good SP too with finish strikes. However I SP whore like mad in the Mekarbah. 1000+xp and 16SP lol and the fights only take a second. Gurada's Wrath is super overkill.

I havn't played this game for a whole day, and I might not be able to play it today either and so I've fallen behind. I'm still in Merkarber as I havn't even loaded up the data. I'm also dreading ging through another big dungeon... it looks like it could be quite a confusing and lengthy dungeon.

It's a shame there arn't a few more non-E.S bosses... I'm starting to like the ES Battles, but... They can be quite expensive with a lot of menu's to consider. I just like the other battles a bit more.
Anyway, I have a bunch of training to do... I normally only battle the enemies that come across me on the way but I've been avoiding them and so I'm under-leveled. Grr...

Merkabah isn't as big as it first looked. It's a medium-length dungeon in what seems like an extremely oversized area (but isn't in terms of gameplay).

I'm on the Durandal myself, and have reached Citrine. That was yesterday night, but then I quit because I wasn't up for another boss fight (hey, it was 3 am). Right now my TV is taken again, so I'll have to wait a while before I can move on.

But so far, I don't recall there being many ES boss fights at all. I can only remember 2 (or 3 if you count Margulis at the very beginning during the ES tutorial section).

Anyways, it's about time Yuriev showed up again. He was just gone after the earlier parts of disc 1, and he's my favorite XS villain (he's the male Miang equivalent, they'd make a great couple =p ). Oh, and lastly; I look forward to seeing more of Kevin's story, because unlike some others here I really like the guy. =P

Albedo...went out like a true king.
I really liked the sidestory with the URTV's, and glad it came to the conclusion it did.

Still wish that Rubedo got his original body back though. Its...

I'm in Abel's Ark now (the background music sounds surprisingly much like the Urobolus battle theme from Xenogears). So far it seems Yuriev is gonna get owned by Wilhelm... that sucks. xP

Heh, those 4 spheres happen to look familiar as well.

Well 4 ES battles in the Ark, and then when you beat it and go to the next planet. you fight just about every ES in the game XD

The final boss fight in Abel's Ark was incredibly tedious. Reminds me too much of the Patriarch's fight. The E.S. battle is a bit better, but still.

I hope Voyager made an impression on you, Xerno. He's become my favorite villain mainly just from this game. You'll have to wait a tiny bit to get to the best part with him but the fight with KOS-MOS was by no means a bad intro.

Does it not make you wonder why Rubedo hasn't bothered to 'search out' Nigredo? It's been pointed out to him many times that he can do this, yet he insists on playing ignorant and asking the villians where's his old man at. :/ "I dont wont to lose anymore comrades". Sure whatever :S.

As for the God thing, I see it as being uncalled for... the game makes God out to be this great enemy when he's not. Well whatever..it's just a game.

*huff* *puff* I just finished Abel's Ark. That whole place and the boss fights there felt as if it was the end of the game (though I knew that couldn't be, but it just felt like that). Yuriev also gave me quite a bit of trouble. I did manage to beat him on the first try (and thank goodness for that, that battle was long enough without having to redo it). I was really glad to see that the ES battle with Yuriev was fairly easy after the on-foot battle.

Yuriev didn't turn out to be that great after all. I dunno, I really liked him as a villain but his motives weren't very interesting. Oh, and I didn't get a thing of what happened with Albedo making the link and no-one doing what they agreed to do xD . Is Albedo resting within Rubedo now? (And tsk, why didn't they show adult Rubedo fully? What...? I was talking about his face)

As for Voyager, I already have an impression of him, yes (mainly from Pied Piper). A very negative one, right now I just hate the guy. But perhaps my opinion on him will change after I'm done with Michtam.

Well, that's the thing. Do you hate Voyager as a character or Voyager as a villain? Plenty of people hate villains because of their deeds or maybe they simply hate the whole villain. I certainly like Voyager as a character and his actions and deeds make me hate him which is the sign of a good villain. In the Xeno series, each villain has some line of empathy or redemption. Voyager urinates on that line and murders everyone afterwards while laughing. It's as a guy I know said "refreshing" to have a villain you simply are meantt o hate.

Hahah I've fallen behind Xerno it seems... I'm just on the durandal now... Merkarbah wasn't too bad, but I was hoping for a boss fight at the end... the whole dungeon just seemed completly and utterly pointless. I know it was needed to get the elsa off of the Durandel but...

The Durandel looks again quite tedious... I just want to battle Citrine. There have been some big shockers and I'm pretty sure there are more to come and I just want to see the rest of the story. I can't be bothered with the fighting (unless it's a boss), and although normal enemies are far more interesting than in most other RPG's (I love the battle system) I just kinda want to get on with it. Sadly I havn't had much of a chance to play it the last couple of days... and I'm out tomorrow >.<

I'm thinking of ordering Xenogears... if nothing else to see the references. I need to get it cheap though because there is a strong chance it won't work on my PS2 (though I have a feeling it will )

Edit: Is the second disc of Xenogears really that bad?

Yeah, that's one of the Japanese version cut-scenes I've seen. It really wasn't bad at all. But I believe they simply went in and coded the game to remove all blood, instead of editing manually. Oh well.

Oh jeesh....I haven't seen the Jap version of that scene. I wonder if it would be like Albedo and his head escapades in 1 and 2 or if it was worse.

Flame, try Ebay. I saw several copies of Xenogears that were up for grabs rather cheap. If that fails, you can have EB Games/GameStop email you when they get one in.

I'll briefly point out why many people dislike disc 2 of Xenogears:

- It's 85% cutscenes and 15% gameplay, apparently their budget got cut so they had to stuff the remaining story onto the 2nd disc while sacrificing the gameplay.
- Unlike the 1st disc, those cutscenes aren't even properly shown. The majority is just narrated by characters sitting in a chair with still images (of the events they're talking about) in the background.
- You're stuck in the locations they drop you in after said cutscenes, there's no option of exploring other places or even withdrawing (at the very end of the game the world map will finally be available again, just hearing the world map tune again made me go "yay!").

Since the story is vèry good, I wasn't too bothered by any of this. But it does leave you with an awkward feeling nonetheless.

Anyways, I'm in Michtam now. And I'm beginning to wonder where the Pellegri who pittied the death of all those people (in Episode I) went. She's suddenly become quite bitchy =s (I'm still fighting her, so dunno yet if her behaviour will still change).

I thought I was the only one who noticed Pellegri's sudden change of heart in this episode. Her personality doesn't match her natural calm expression as it did in the past 2 episodes. I think this is the work of her VA being a different woman lol. Hmmm nothing much I've done in the game story wise, trying to get to the Rare Hunter skill so that my real fun begins. I need 3,000 skill points to reach it :s. I've watched the scene with Virgil in the church quite a bit, he is just so awesome with his speechs "what drives you?(cocky smile), that's right -- Revenge." XD "Hypocrite" -- the word doesn't even begin to describe you".

Geez, what's with those latest ES and their annoyingly high agility? Pellegri already enjoyed dodging most of my attacks, and ES Dan (despite being quite large) did pretty much the same. But I still downed both of 'em anyway. The last scene with Pellegri was quite sad, but it'll never cease to amaze me how soon characters can forget those things and move on again (seriously, Jin seemed to be over it in... what? 5 seconds?).

As for Voyager, good riddance. I've been waiting for that moment ever since having read Pied Piper. And poor Ziggy... it took him at least 10 seconds to get over all what had happened (sarcastic? Who? Me...?). Anyways, that's it for today. I'll be moving on with what I assume is the final stage tomorrow.

THat's the amazing thing about Michtam. A great number of tragic deaths befall everyone...not to mention humongous revelations. Then there's a boss fight, a cutscene and BAM! You're over it. =P It's truly amazing. I guess you can only mourn so much because you say hell with it.

Well, the fact that they get over it so quickly could possibly be attributed to the fact that in this game, unlike the previous 2 Episodes, time is against them and they actually know what's going on. So they put on these soldier-type attitudes, they simply don't have the luxury of mourning deaths and reflection on their past losses. It makes perfect sense if you look at it like that.

Bleh. I'm too busy to get to play much. I just arrived back at Labyrinthos from the scene at the church where Feb takes Virgil away.

What was the neatest thing about the ending for me?




I love this game. It's excellent, and dispite the shortcomings of the series in general, they wrapped it up well.

agreed. And since this IS the last to the saga, they can't be doing all these other stuff (i.e. reflections of the past) to make us have more questions. I think it's a pretty nice way to end things. forgot about everything.... and such... and everybody's attitude seemed to change.. escpecailly Shion annoying...

Grmph, ES Levi was very annoying. Margulis would often kill off any ES with a single blow if he got a critical hit in, or if he used his Awakening attack before I could block. But I'm not quite sure what he was doing after the battle? Did he just try fighting again in his heavily damaged ES, blowing it up in the process?

Well, I've reached Kevin now (out of the way, T-elos! I pretty much waltzed over her, she was in the way =p ). And heh, I know it's far from the right choice, but I'd choose Kevin's side too. Pity I'll have to ruin it all for him and Shion. xP

You MUST steal from Kevin! You get Shion's white shirt armor from the cutscene with her and Kevin from earlier in the game xD Rawr! Anyway, I'm almost at the end finally, and with a few days off, I can play all day today unhendered. I do have a question though....When they used Shion to summon Abel's Arc because they couldn't do it the first time around, needing the power of two Shions....how the hell did they do that? If the "past" everyone was in, was all in Shion's mind, was the other Shion really there? Or did they just draw twice the power needed from the real Shion? If so, then it's not really two Shion's they needed, but just The Adult Shion's full power. And even if they did somehow physically manifest another Shion...why not just summon a second child Shion and make her go through the event at the exact same time as the other child Shion, getting a double reaction. Ugh, guess that's what you get with easily bored Villains like Wilhem.

Anyway, back to the game!

And yeah. T-elos was just... there for me as well. Though, the Red Testament did give me some troubles.

Also, I beat Omega ID just now as well. Difficult, but managable. My characters have maxed out skill trees, and are all around 58~60 now. The biggest thing you can do against ID is keep an eye on his elemental defenses. They shift, just like in the fight with E.S. Dan, so there's always an element that's nulled, and one that he's weak against. Exploit this using Level 3 Anima Awakenings! DO NOT USE if he isn't weak against it! Just charge if your bar is full, or attack if he's not immune. Also, he has an ability called Waves of the Berserker, which raises his attack power. He immediatly follows it up on his next turn with a combo chain attack called Dark Lord, which, after a few Berserkers, can knock an E.S. out in one turn. So, once he uses Berserker, DEFEND. It's a matter of wearing him down.

Kevin (who now looks more like some sort of Black Knight rather than the Red Testament) has completely wasted my team after boosting 6 times in a row. And I take back what I said about him; if it wouldn't be for his arrogance and tossing the weak around like trash I could have excused him, but that's not the case.

Of course, Wilhelm had a hand in shaping him into the man he is. It's about time I get to kick the grand schemer's rear. I'll have to get past Mr. Winnicot first, though. x_X

Indeed, I died on him aswell. He does get annoying with his special always killing MOMO and Rubedo, but he;s managable. I bet you completely forgot you could boost instead of using a special attack, by doing that I interrupted his chains and kept reviving when he killed my party

Spoilies..





I was ragging on Shions' attitude myself but then I thought about it a little more today and it just was'nt fair to have a problem with it. Meh this is going to go over you heads, but being with Kevin makes her forget everything. We've all seen her horrible past with our eyes and I think knowing this, her desire to be with him, despite the manipulation and stuff is very justified. After young Shion is done crying for the Gnosis, she stomps down and just stays like that - still in disbelief that her mom died(damn..). What emotion is good at making you forget pain? Jin sees through Kevin, everyone else does, but not Shion. She sees a way out - Kevin, so them stopping her is a problem, a big one - to her. There you have it.

On the flip side though the love does blind her judgement when it comes to her friends. She thinks they all want her to die, or that she'll side with the Gnosis, when(and Jr. said it best "we're just worried about your health".) they only really worry about rather or not she'll be alright.

I've given up on Kevin for the moment (I don't seem to be ready for that boss fight yet, I need an edge). So instead I went after Omega Id (I guess that doesn't seem logical when you're stuck on a story boss xD , but being able to use ES makes all the difference).


I went with this strategy and it worked very well. I just finished taking care of Omega Id, but I didn't know he would recover HP if all 3 of your ES had at least one filled Anima bar (aka Level 1). But other than that slight delay, he wasn't really a problem (I sure did use a lot of healing items, though).

I'm gonna see if I can do anything with the rewards... I just need to find Segment Address #6 first. =s

IIRC, Durandal, Park, behind the wall somewhere

Got it now. But 3 Erde Kaiser summons (where did that post go xD )? I've only got two, the regular one (forgot where I found it) and the one I just got from the Durandal. I guess I'll go track down the third one too then. =p

I deleted it cause Demon already told you where the door was ;p, but... Erde Kaiser Fury(60EP) is found in Labyrinthos, Area 13 on the 4th floor of the hospital. Gold door of course Don't worry about the elevators, the stairs will take you there but it's the long way.

Thanks, I've got it now. And not just that, I defeated Erde Kaiser Sigma with my 3 other EK summons as well. I think this new-found power should be enough to deal with Mr. Winnicot . Moving on again. ^^

Bleh. I have no idea where to get the Decoder 6 from or even where to get the other Erdes. They'd probably be helpful because what I think is the final boss hits everyone with a massive attack, then a Break-everyone attack then a insta-death attack and then we're all toast. So, if I had an EK I'd even the odds, some. In the meanwhile, I'm pushing up my skill points like mad with trying to get everyone to their Master Attack.

Well, I just finished the game. But before I say anything, I'll quickly say where Decoder 6 is... because I'll be rambling on and on about the ending once I get started xD . You get Decoder 6 by beating Omega Id, which you can find in... erm, the third location you can access again in the EVS (it's the building where the T-elos demonstration took place). You can unlock a door in that building with the key you got from Citrine.

Now about the ending... *MAJOR SPOILERS*


Gosh, that was truly great. And I'll admit it straight away; I cried xD (too many tragic stuff, I gave up trying to hold it back after what happened to Jin). Uhm... where to start? Oh right, Wilhelm. The guy just went from calm, cool guy to total bastard. Even when Kevin stabs him, he just stands there calmly "Haha, I knew you'd do that"... arrrggh! Drop dead already.

Next up; Kevin. Ok, he made up for his arrogance, I like him again xP . His final deeds and last words really brightened his persona up again. I was expecting Wilhelm to dispose of him at any time, but it never happened like that. On the other hand, Wilhelm's lasts words just made me wish Kevin would have hurt him a little harder. Yeah, that's right. Disappear and be gone.

Next; Jin leaving and Shion going all sniffy (at this point it was starting to get hard for me xP ). But ok, Jin goes back and will be juuust fine. Or not... impaled! Crushed! Painful death! So not fair, poor Jin... ;-;

Other points of interest; Nephilim going "Elly", Allen getting slightly pissed and wasting a Gnosis, and the remains of KOS-MOS in space (it just gave me an odd feeling, not sure what I'd call it).

Yup, great ending... ;-;

Yeah. I got Dark Erde and the regular Erde. I need the other one to face off against Sigma so in the meantime i'm just getting Skill Points and EXP.

I'd recommend saving up your money as well, so you can buy enough of the accessories that nullify fire for your party you plan on using to fight Sigma. I don't remember exactly what they are called; all I remember is that each one costs a small fortune. Trust me, it will be money well spent, though.

Money is not a problem. I used up 300,000 on KOS-MOS' best weapon but as I'm just floating around doing E.S. battles to get Sill Points, I have tons and tons of Ether Cores which give you massive amounts of Gold so selling them will bring me well within the buying range for nearly any item short of well....I dunno. lol I'll go check and see if I can find the null-Fire accessory, though.

Holy #####...these Resist Fire are 600,000 Gold a piece!!!!! Does Sigma only use Fire attacks? If 99% of his arsenal is fire attacks, I'll save up to buy it but if only one of his moves is fire-based, no way in hell.

No, but he has one attack that hits your entire party for a large amount of fire elemental damage, and he likes to boost and spam it. This hurts badly, especially if you're using a party of ether users (MOMO, Shion, and chaos for example). I mean seriously. This is the only boss that killed me in the entire game, and my characters were not exactly weak (level 70 or higher). Best Ally didn't help me either, because my people would stand back up, and get owned all over again. I hate overtaker.

I suppose I should point out that I did beat him without the Resist Fire, because I didn't want to spend a week hording cash. Boost+Dark Erde Kaiser= massive pain. I still almost died though.

I heard somewhere they after the ending I think, the datavase says T-elos' body is 80% made of Mary Magdalene's body. Just an interesting little tidbit, which proves that KOS-MOS is the will while T-elos is the body

Awe.....so nice to hear a guy admit he cries even in video games. *le sigh* Just finished up as well. My sis and I were just crying like babies. Every heart-wrenching moment from the time Allen started getting beat up to the very end when KOS-MOS floats back to.....Earth I'm assuming. They left SO much open to make more; Those last scenes after defeating Zarathustra are just loaded with potential.

On the note of KOS-MOS floating through space, there at the end, she looks VERY old. Now, my sis and I had a discussion on this and we've come up with a theory:

At various sites, it's been commented that even if there is more games, it won't be the same characters as KOS-MOS appears to be thousands of years old during that last scene. Well, after my sis and I carefully considered it and took science into consideration, this is what we've come up with:

Both chaos and KOS-MOS said "we'll see you again...." and something to the effect of "It won't be long for you" So, remember that, then recall that MOMO, Juli, Ziggy, the remaining vector employees, and Scientia are constructing a new system to work like the UMN so hyperspace travel is possible. Now, hyper space allows you to travel, theoretically, through time. Well, more like, you bypass time since you're traveling at the speed of light. So, if they were to construct new jump colums, they could instantly bypass thousands of light years. So, they arrive on Earth with the idea in their mind that they've simply traveled a few days, but behind them is thousands of years, so the time they jumped over still flows normally, thus not disrupting the space-time continum. You kinda have to take into consideration the theory of worm holes creating time distortions. Surely, this is based off of scientific theory more than evidence, but it works from a logical standpoint in the game.

As such, I say it's very possible to have the same characters.

If I ever see this marvelous ending, I'll post here about my feelings on it. Dear Jesus I don't see why I can't beat Zara. Everyone says he's easy. What the effin' hell is easy about a guy with an insta-kill move? Ziggy only survives 'cause his HP is nearly 7000 but everyone else is toast. Plus he uses a Break attack that puts everyone in Break then this move so you can't even guard against it. So, even if you have Safety or Best Ally on, then you come back up and die again. Pft...easy...and I have worked my ass off to get the Master Sill on the A-Line for everyone. I got MOMO, Ziggy, Jr., KOS-MOS and Jin. Oh and chaos but his is damn useless so it doesn't count. So, KOS-MOS' and MOMO's did nice up until the point where Zara uses his big insta-kill move. But, it's EASY. No one in the goddamn world has had problems with it but me. >< Pft.

Only been trying for the last...week to get passed him. Maybe I'm not trying hard enough. Or maybe it's the fact Jr.'s and Shion's most powerful Specials I have are useless when Zara makes his elemental-null to Fire? And by the time he switches again, they're gone. That could also contribute, along with the all-break and insta-kill techniques.

Hmm....what's your level? I was around level 63. and I used chaos, JR., and KOS-MOS and they were highly effective.

Of course, if you're having so much trouble and just want to get it over with so you can see the ending, use Erde Kaiser Sigma on him.

That WOULD work...if I had it. BUt I do not. I don't know where the last Erde is. I have the regular one and Dark EK but not the other one...which you need to beat the hunk of junk.

Well, whether with luck or the fact I gave KOS-MOS an accessory that boosted her EP by 300 and made Blood Dancer more usable with her W-Fang, I pulled it offf. I put it more in luck that he didn't use his insta-kill move more but mainly the status effects. Still, everyone was alive when i beat the hunk of junk.

And...I just watched the ending. Part of it. I have to say, that I knew Jin was gonna die and all and was expecting it. I was kinda feeling big and manly (XD) because I wouldn't cry. Then...chaos looks over and says "it's time, Jin" and sees his body...and I got something in my eye along with having a problem swallowing... I don't know why. :_: (XP)

But..I was at level 56 or 57 with everyone.

As Shion has posted earlier, it's in Labyrinthos. Though the decoder (#5) is on the 4th floor of the hopsital, but Area 13 (where Segment Address #5 is located) is actually in the underground level (take the elevator leading down, opposite of the entrance).

And you can defeat Erde Kaiser Sigma easily; just break his 3 shields, and after that I just kept summoning Dark Erde Kaiser. Sigma couldn't do anything (so cheap xP ). And with that, beating the final boss is very easy (it only takes about 3 Erde Kaiser Sigma summonings =p ).

xD and summoning three Erde Kaiser Sigma is REALLY easy when you equip the Heaven's Door! I'll be damned I'm glad I got that thing. I had no idea what it would do, I was just curious. I hadn't even planned on getting Momo's final weapon. But I'm glad I did! Casting any Ether for only ONE freakin' EP is just great =D

Anyway, the ending left me a bit choked up as well, but the real fun is going through the Database to get the last little edges of story by reading all the updated character bio's. I absolutely LOVED this game and I'm sorry that I'm done with it for the most part. ;-; Think I'm gonna lay off my PS2 for a bit and watch Lost Season 2 before starting Disgaea 2, I just can't start another game right now. So many questions answered, yet I have a few left.

What the hell was Wilhelm? I understand that he was the Guardian of lower space...but ummm...what WAS he? What were his powers besides being high and mighty and having an annoying smirk? xD. We know what Chaos is, but there is no real detail on what Willy is. I think he's the 'Devil', but eh that's just me. And where did Mary get all that power from? To be able to seal Chaos as she did and to allow Elly.err...I mean Neph to cause that kind of spacial distortion? They say and show what she can do, but never tell how. Maybe she got the power from Jesus? I'm pretty sure that was him in the Flashback Shion had when she woke up KOS-MOS. Also...just who was Shion's past self? They say that memory was her own, so she was there with Chaos and Mary as well during the time of the Mesiah.

Also, it's annoying me that I'm only at 99% for my Database. It seems Story is missing 5%. What am I missing? Does anyone know? I've beaten ID and Sigma, the only real thing I haven't done is go through the Arcadian Resource Dungeon. Is that it? Grrrr! >.< Help!