I was going to take the game slowly but I'm tempted just to simply beat it (hopefully) within the next few days so I can catch up with this discussion. Anyway, I already plan to replay it just so I can watch the story again (I know I could watch all the scenes again, but that's no fun).

I'm not planning on using any guides or anything to find final weapons or open doors ect. ect. and so if I get anything extra it'll be just if I happen to bump into it on the way... Unless someone tells me right now that the final stages are VERY hard and almost impossible without Erde Kaiser or final weapons ect. ect.

I hope there are plently of extras to the game.

Replay value of this game has dropped dramatically for me. I'm going to just beat the game and be done with it. The skill "Rare Hunter" which I spent three days trying to learn(from A-4 to A-6 it is 2200SP or so), was not what I had thought it was. That's right I thought it made it possible to steal rare items from normal enemies. Blah, I was really eyeing those EVA upgrades that those#B156's drop in Labyrinthos. So it's off to Abels Ark with a lot of power under my belt(lvl50-51, with 4 characters with thier "Master Skills", and Titanium/Steel Bangles).

yes I asked that question to myself, I couldn't explain it. I'm not that good at trying to explain stuff.

And do we have to keep hiding away Spoil information? since this IS a spoil thread?

Well, to quote what was said earlier on:


It's a spoiler thread, yes. But indeed not everyone will have reached as far as some other people. It's a XSIII progression topic, after all. I usually try to make my posts so that after reading the first half of my sentance you'll know what kind of spoilers are about to be mentioned.

But at least put a little warning if you're discussing the ending, not everyone has finished the game yet.

Well, that would work...if I had the last Erde. You can't exactly beat it easily when you can't break the shield that makes all damage 0....



Well, as he seems to be the opposite of chaos -Yeshua- he'd be the anti-Christ. They note in the database entry on him after you beat the game that he had repeated this "recurrrence" plan anywhere from ten times to a hundred and that human wills were beginning to reject returning to the beginning. They wanted to go forward only. They hint that's what he wanted..but whatever.

Lol, yes. I meant after getting the Erder Kaiser you were missing. I don't think those shields ever go down without using the 3 Erde Kaisers on them (I didn't wait to find out). In which case it's obviously unbeatable. But you already have Dark Erde Kaiser (which I guess would be the hardest one to get, because you had to defeat Omega Id to get it).

So getting that last one should be easy, and it sure was worth it if you just wanted to beat the game and see the ending. But of course, you already beat it. So... =p

So, as this is the last in the series (for now), what characters that you liked or disliked did you change your view on?

Upgrade-
Voyager: Said it before but it's still the God's truth. He had a great voice-actor and scenes that were just perfect for him. The fights were all marevelous and his very look is enough to like (and I don't like bald guy. Thank goodness he keeps his hood up =p). He has zoomed straight to the top of my favorite villains lists.

Downgrades-
Shion: Now, in Episode 1, she was a nerdy, cute humanistic girl. With a sweet look, a slim waist and an oddly large posterior along with her Vector uniform, she looked very cute. She was emotional and sensible at all the right times, never becoming too whiny or emo. In Episode II, they destroyed her, gave her a sub-par voice-actress, attempted to skankify her and the new appearance ruined her. Her hair doesn't even seem to be the same color or style and Yeshua knows where her glasses went. SHe was marked by bizarre lines of over-emotion such as "I refuse!!!" I hoped they could fix this in EPIII. Alas, twas not to be. Shion's need, nigh obsession wit her lost love was so pathetic... I can understand loving someone so much but what she did bordered on complete dependence and it was very harmful to her character growing in my regards.

Well, that's just it. It wasn't JUST strong love that drove her. It was the need to have a reason to live. To her, Kevin was the only one who acknowledged her, wanted to save her, wanted her to live. While I was a little annoyed at it somtimes, I fully understand, and think it quite admirable that they showed us that even the one who is going to save the universe has very human concerns. I mean, sure, the hero that will save the universe no matter what happens is cool, but this felt more real. She was scared to die, scared to sacrifice herself and was clinging to what she saw as her only true salvation. Kevin. It wasn't just blind love, even though he used her, he still gave her somthing she could grasp, to hold on to. Some may see it as pathetic, but I see it as her being an unperfect, flawed character who eventually rose above it, and in the end, I was liking her full force again. I mean, those that got pissed off at her, could just take it out on her in that battle with Kevin XD.

Anyway, I was thinking....in essence, if you think in terms of christianity, U-do, Chaos, and Abel/Abel's ark are the Holy Trinity. U-do being 'God the father', Abel being 'God The son', and Chaos being 'The Holy Spirit' or God's power. Abel was basically the same as Jesus. God taken a physical form. Eh, just somthing I was tossing around.

Anyway, My favorite character was KOS-MOS. She was So CUTE after awakening as Mary. Rawr. Emotions suits her well.

Abel's Ark has been conquered and what a ride it was indeed. Each sphere was easy enemy wise, but a major pain in the ass to traverse through. The ES-Gnosis bosses were caked over and 2 of the 4 were my first finish strikes on a boss. I went from 51 to 56 in Abel's Ark without trying. You people already know that Xenosaga is not Xenosaga without these two guys but..I got my ass handed to me by Richard's cannon. Seriously, they were harder than the 'real' boss fight inside Abel's Arks' core.




A lot of spoilers
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The Durandal is no more..

Yuriev was freaking easy!! The lolOmega Ras Novae did it's super attack for only 600dmg. OmgletmecastmedicaSallbeforehekillsme^^.

Nigredo had a fitting end. Jr. was still playing ignorant to the whole situation. Even though it was brief..LONG LIVE ALBEDO. Bah! He didn't really have any smart ass comments in linguist mode but still.

LOL Heinlein is Wilhelm! Totally unexpected! I kind of felt bad for Margulis, he had so much faith in Heinleins' words and his desire to return to Lost Jerusalum was so strong. Given his surprize at seeing Wilhelm, I suppose very few people even know what Wilhelm looks like. It also seems that the Dammerung was powered by the Vessel of Anima(now used in Joshua?).

So I'm at Planet Mitcham..or whatever. I'm going to shoot for Omega ID though and get Erde Kaiser Sigma.

Enjoy the scene with Voyager. It's badass and the fight is both coola nd challenging. Report back on your opinion.

I'm also in Abels Ark with 2 out of 4 spheres completed.

I never used these EX items... but I think I've gotten all of them and I used 4 of them to find out that there are TWO NEW LINES for every character! I'm having trouble just finishing one... only to discover that I have three lines after that... and two of the lines require more skill points to finish...

However, I guess that is a good thing... Surley that means there are optional bosses that are hard enough to need all of these skills for all of the characters. Episode II was dissapointed but on after-final boss gameplay it gets 10 out of 10... I'm hoping Episode III is as good...

Lol, the ES battle was indeed easy. The on-foot battle with Yuriev gave me some trouble, though (but I did manage it on my first try). Good thing the easier battle was kept as last. =p

As for Heinlein being Wilhelm, sadly I already knew this before even playing the game (I accidently bumped into a spoiler-post elsewhere ^^'' ). But geez, whoever voices Heinlein before Wilhelm reveals himself sure sounds crappy.

As for Michtam, it's the final stage of the game. Michtam; aka Abraxas, if you've read the Pied Piper script you'll know this place well. Having some knowledge of Pied Piper really adds to the story here, but if you don't you can still check it in the database later (but I was slightly disappointed that they decided to translate Meris Ortas as Melisse Ortas =p ).

And again lots of spoilers.





Allen - My impression of him shot through the roof in this game. I was dreading his reappearence when it was annoucned before the release a few months back. He filled his role quite well and this time around he was not overly showing his 'love' for Shion.

Jr. >_>.(no offense to his fans!)

Chaos - :/ There is still hope..I have not beat the game yet. My impression of him as stated has faded, part due to the fact that he's been out of the picture and serving no real purpose other than to be a 'filler' for the story. He was the bomb in Episode I and much more powerful.

Virgil - This man had a Realian feast in episode I because of what they did to Febronia 14 years ago(in EP1's time). He simply lost his meaning of life and being a soldier was his way of hiding the pain, while at the same time owning Realians to feed his revenge. I didn't like him ep1, I was glad he died, frankly I thought he was another nutcase with no hope in hell much like I thought Andrew Cherenkov was before coming to an understanding. This all changed 15 years later in the church. He perfectly hid all his pain under the cover of his cool cocker demeaner and was finally allowed to let it go in the end. The BGM that went with his boss fight was fitting too. As with Andrew, and Albedo, I have a lot of respect for this character now.

Didn't they also change Elrich to Erich? I was wondering if I read it wrong while reading the script. But anyway, yes, Abraxas is the final stage of the game, and that suprised me, I was expecting something more like Lost Jerusalem or something.

On another note, I noticed they never really revealed who Doctus is. I had the idea that it was really Meris still alive, but thats just me, maybe some of you have some ideas.

Ues. His name was Elrich Webber. They changed it to Erich Weber. Or maybe it was just the translation most read from Pied Piper.

I'm replaying the game...this time with Seven Moons. I'm pissed. I'm wandering around the Merkabah because for some odd reason, I can't find the way to avtivate the switch to make the elevator work. Bah. I feel dumb.

I was a bit disappointed about chaos' lack of appearance in the story as well. I mean, in a way, ultimately, the game is focused soley around him, heck, even the logo of Episode 2 was about him. However, I keep telling myself that this is only roughly 1/3 of the series were were supposed to get. So that could explain it.

And I still hold firm to my opinion he's just as strong as he was in Episode 1. He causes like 15 points less damage than KOS-MOS.

Oddly, neither KOS-MOS nor chaos were very strong gameplay-wise in my game. This time the strongest character in my party was Jin, he'd just destroy anything in sight. Maybe it's just because of the way I built up the characters, but in my case Jin just stood out as the most overpowered team member.

I took Jin on his Evasive Skill line... I wish I would have gone for attacker... still he is a valued member...

The only Character I NEVER use is KOS-MOS... I never found anything that special about her in Episode III, Jin and Ziggy seemed to do a better job than her. I just dislike having 7 characters because I only ever use 6 of them.

I love having chaos on my team... ok so he doesn't pack as much of a punch of any other character but he is ALWAYS useful. I wouldn't do without him.

Having just watched the ending a second time (spoilers!), I noticed I forgot to mention something earlier. It didn't seem quite right when MOMO told Rubedo to "say hello to Albedo" for her. After all she went through because of him, she can actually still be that forgiving about it?

But I guess it does fit with her more unnatural train of thought (after all she isn't human and doesn't always quite grasp the human mind, like how she didn't understand what was happening when Cherenkov died). With that in mind, it still made some sense to me. But it still seems a little strange either way.

I'm having an issue with the Dark Professors' hideout. I can't get in. I only keep getting the message "???". Do you need all three Erde summons or ? I only need to get in here to retrieve a database update file :/.

You just have to speak to Professor Hakase (the good one) onboard the Elsa first. He needs to inform you about he Dark Professor's whereabouts before you can go in. Just take the elevator down, he should be down there somewhere (he's hard to miss).

To Xerno - spoilers

I assume she told him that because he did help Jr out, so she might have forgiven him. Besides, MOMO is a kind girl in general, guess she just wanted to sound nice =p

Uh-huh. He literally mind-raped her. He killed dozens of Realians. kevin manipulated and killed people for years including his love and then tortured Allen. But let's not all think of them as "bad." That's just silly!

Anyone who thinks Kevin x Shion is better than Allen x Shion is just taken in my Kevin's eyes, the long cape, the suave hair and his shallow words. Allen is blundering, wears some freaky gay sci-fi outfit, has some damn ugly hair and loved Shion with all his heart. So...yes, he is better for her.

I finally got the chance to finish up the game.
Is Xenogears supposed to pick up on this last game?

ENDING SPOILER:

What a sad ending..... Jin died, Shion, Allen, and Jr. are on their way to find chaos and KOS-MOS..... I wish they make another.... or is that when Xenogears come in? I heard they were gonna re-make it or something???

After finishing the game, it really feels like Xenosaga is a retelling of Xenogears (as it was meant to be) but on a much larger scale (the whole universe instead of a planet). I think that where Xenogears would have ended was the fight with Yuriev (clearly based on Xenogears if you have played the game the boss is almost exactly the same in design as Xenogears final boss and the whole 4 orbs in front of a core in Abel's Ark looked exactly the same as the final room in Xenogears.

I refuse to accept that Xenosaga is a 'retelling' of Xenogears. HOWEVER, it's obvious who Nephilim is in Xenogears, and her neckless doesn't help cover things up , and Fei is obviously Mr.OnlyIcanpilotProtoOmega. OK I'm BSing and only say those things cause they look like said individuals in Xenogears. I like those instances where Fei goes nuts and starts kicking Gear's asses while on foot.

I got it Xerno, that's a cute little monkey .

And Allen x Shion anyday.


So more spoilers...
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Anyway, I'm very worn out at the moment. Pellegri, Voyager, Margulis really took it's toll on me mentally(the battles) @_@. I could not go on after getting to the Underground Ruins XD. Voyager was easy..and his death was really lame. I do not understand this man, note however that I did not read up on pied piper so I do not know this man at all. He's definitly got the Darth Vader image going on pretty well for him. The E.S. Dan is the coolest looking E.S. among the testaments, and now I know who it was when it first showed up in Episode II. I wonder who is the "other" Realian with Project Canaan installed.. Margulis as expected handed my ass to me but I had a nasty surprize for him at the start of the battle >=D, Anima lv3 x 3 and I abused his shield so much...then I got carried away and he started owning me with his anima awakenings. E.S. Dinah is the weakest ES in the whole thing..I just can't keep it alive O_o. Margulis didn't have to kill himself though. Just one last on-foot battle with him would have been grand.

I just got this game on friday and I love it <3 , and it is easy so far even though some of the boss battles such as with voyager or pelligri are a bit difficult compaired to other things you have to do in the game. My favourite character is still KOS-MOS no matter how weak in battles she is and I am starting to like Shion a little bit beacuse the past revealed about her in Xenosaga III makes her seem more human than the others.

My faovurite pairing in a heterosexual way would have to be Allen and Shion AS Well as Kevin and Shion. that is when including Shion in any pairing and then I like MOMO and Jr. together :3 But in a homosexual way I truely love seeing KOS-MOS and Shion together beacuse of their interwined relationship of protector and creator...etc.

He was hard for me. His elemental shield and his amazing speed for something that huge. He'd attack my E.S.es at least twice before he used his Anima Awakening so we couldn't Charge. I had to use one person to heal us all. And his death wasn't lame. The Compass of Order (and Chaos) is an item that is supposedly the future, the will of God in the universe in a sense. It's Voyager's "forbidden fruit". Instead of a snake and Eden, his own "never-ending thrist for power" and his immortality was lost when he grabbed for that something more. You can find the basics on him in the Characters section in the database.



His suit and body outfit is liken to Vader but the hood and the way he holds himself is more Palpatine.



I agree. ANd I just wish it had a better name...Dan next to Nephtali and Judah...oh well.

When you level up, all the E.S. stats go up, except EN and HP. Being level 60 and stuff I guess I was on par with his speed. It was mostly a one attack per round, including anima awakening. Don't get me wrong though, he sported the longest fight(25 minutes) out of the three and there was a period where Reuben and Asher couldn't do a darn thing to him damage wise. Well like I said with Margulis, an(another) on-foot fight with him would have been great too. If you look at his character stil in the DATA option at the title screen he has his own Gnosis-creature thing like Virgil had.

Something I've been meaning to point out was also this; having finished the game now I can safely say I found this to be the very best of the Xenosaga games. It really felt way beyond the level of the two previous episodes for me (not sure what gives). I still prefer Xenogears in general, but I thought the ending of XSIII was a lot better.

I'm really satisfied with the great conclusion (currently) they've given us here. It was a a wonderful experience. ^^

I would have agreed with you Xerno, except for a few things, one, the whole text box thing took away a lot of the cinematic feel the first two had, the voice acting was kind of bad in the text box scenes (there is no emotion in the voices). Two, the story felt too compressed. chaos's part was almost non existant, I was expecting a battle with Wilhelm which didnt come, and such things as that. But over all, it was much better than episode II, almost as good as episode I, and the ending was indeed much better than xenogears' ending (however, I still like Xenogears much better).

I'm probably about 20 hours in. All I have to say is that the music has upped itself YET AGAIN. It get's more and more fantastic as you go on, as does the story. But I can't express to you how good this stuff is compared to all the other music we've been hearing in RPGs lately. It's sooooo full of emotion, and way more epic than anything I've heard in awhile.

The story, again, is amazing. When it hits an awesome point, it's a fricking awesome point, believe me. And I would have to say this game is pretty much on the same level as Xenogears was.

I've tried my hand as Hakox a couple of times now (and yes...That's the name...) and my conclusion: Unappealing. It's a full size game of a side quest that involves moving blocks with a button press back and forth in order to lead characters to a goal. I've only completed each annoyingly long levels so far, but I have to move on. The prize at the end is supposedly a thing that extends your Boost by 3. Oh, and another tid bit I've heard: The ending movie is 70 minutes long. Sweet. Ass.

Xenogears has a far better OST than the whole Saga put together, XSIII has some decent tracks, particulary, testament, and the BGM in most of the boss battles. I don't approve of the EPI's OST at all, frankly it's trash ~_~.

I'm 49hrs in the game, what holds this game up is the done-well major plot twists. Easily the best RPG of the year perhaps?

Now that's a complete WRONG. What exactly did you think was "trash?" The sinisterly and low song that escelates into a shrieking deep-voiced male who holds notes perfectly for Albedo when he's ripping apart his body? The lovely melody played during the escape (Pain) sung by joana Hogg, the same woman who sang both Stars of Tears and Small Two of Pieces off Xenogears? THe much better, yet so simple, Song of Nephilim tune? The theme for U-TIC and Margulis? No...EPIII has some great tracks...indeed very good tracks. Testaments being the best one but as a whole, it falls far behind Episode 1. Especially the vocal tracks like the end song. It can't hold a candle to Pain or Kokoro.

You and I have different tastes that is all. None the less, I stick by what I've said. The music of the series is not that impressive simply because it sounds plain. Keep in mind, I don't know what you're talking about with Albedo. I did not finish episode I(25 hours) and EPII was giving me a stroke(42 hours). But really I've heard quite enough to know I don't like the music lol. III as I said has a few but not enough to warrent buying the OST. Infact who really does that anymore? Most RPG's have 6 out of 30 something songs that are good anyway.

If you read the database after finishing the game, under MOMO's section, you discover that she is the same type of Reailian as FEB, part human. She even has the ability to grow and have children. Just thought I'd point that out.

And despite some things in the game, it's VERY apparent this is a retelling. The thing with retellings though, is that they can be almost completely different, so they FEEL like something totally different. A good example is all the versions of Romeo and Juliet. Same basic concept, but there's many, many different versions, some of which barely even resemble the original.

Albedo's theme. You hear it first when MOMO meets Albedo. Then again when jr. confronts Albedo. In Episode I. Do you have the DVD for the cinematics in the game?

I have been consumed with life the last couple of days... I've just arrived on Michtem, but I'm kind of reluctant to go on. I had quite some difficulty with the last boss, I've been trying to keep two teams up to a decent level but instead I have two teams of low levels. I think for now I'm just going to be focusing on MOMO, Ziggy and chaos (My Episode II team )... though I may just use Rubedo for the hell of it.

I like to use certain characters for certain boss battles. For example, KOS-MOS had to be in the T-elos battle, Ziggy had to be there for Voyager, Jin For pilligri ect. ect. but I think just for my first playthrough I'm going to have to stop doing that. I plan to just get to the ending without doing any/many sidequests, and do that on my second playthrough.

*SPOILERS*
It was a good conclusion to Rubedo's story, and it was nice to see Albedo, Nigrado and Rubedo working together... I'd consider that a happy ending... but I was far more curious about Adult Rubedo and what Gaingun meant by he was holding him back from his adult form. It would have also been nice to actually see the whole of adult Rubedo including his face and not just the implied nudity >.<

Heinlein being Whilhelm was the least shocking revelation of the whole series, in fact it was more shocking to see how Tall Wilhelm is... I don't think I've ever seen him stand up next to someone like that. It was also great to Margulis' reaction... and I like the dialogue between the two of them. I get the feeling that although Margulis was a puppet, Whilhelm still had some respect for him.

Religious Connotations are really starting to seep through, and I have a feeling that more are to come... I'm hoping to get to the end soon... I've got a VERY busy weekend coming up so I'm not sure when.

Bleh. I despise Wilhelm and have since...the end of EP1? You just know he's the main baddie. And his constant dramatizing what the world is as a "stage" and the world upon it "actors" all for his own very selfish objective. He used Margulis andi it's simple as that. I wouldn't even trust what he said to Margulis. Ormus' objective set down thousands of years ago was a basis but what Margulis and the others desires was what made it have substance. All Wilhelm did was take away the foundation of Margulis' and the other's faith to coincide with his own disinterest in anything that doesn't have to do with his ambition.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Enjoy the part with Voyager when you get to it. I sure did.

I sure don't.


How can you not have some respect for a man who believed so strongly in returning to his homeland, let alone protecting it? Beliefs so powerful that he disobeyed Wilhelm and continued to protect Mitcham from the Gnosis. Mitcham is in ruins and this man treated it like it still full with life. That there would get respect from anyone. "You truely are worthy to be the actor of the final stage". He knew he'd be the one to put up a fight before going down, and he damn sure did o_o;.

Well, play through the game again till you get to the part with that scene. Or go to Blue Laguna. Either way, it was a hauntingly good masterpiece.




"You truely are worthy to be the actor of the final stage". That would translate into he's a Bishop and not a pawn. But, even so, he's still just a playing piece for Wilhelm's galactic chessboard.

"But it seems your faith was too strong. Overly strong faith clouds the eyes." So, what he is saying is that Margulis has a firm belief so he will then destroy that belief and make the man a hollow shell. He will remove from him the faith that has driven him for years and then have him done away with. Again, despicable and pathetic.

Ugh @ the ending. Answers a few good questions, and creates a few more.
Lovely.

Anyways, One of the main things I was interested in I think I didn't get enough information for, especially for the "conclusion" of the series.
Scientia. Unless I have a lot of database crawling to do to get the whole story, I feel they didn't get enough coverage, and the character Doctus didn't show up nearly enough.

I'm just wondering the point of it all, really. XD
But meh, Since this is the last game in this series, or whatever the hell they shove down our throat, I felt a bit disappointed by the ending. And I sorta cheated against Zarathrustra with Erde Sigma XD

I'm still wondering where Sellers went and why he wasn't a boss. It be way awesome. His main attack be just bashing into you in his hover-wheelchair and his special attack be some huge cannon that comes out of nowhere on it and blasts everyone. But, alas, he just kinda went "poof."

Didn't he decide to go down with Merkabah as it was between the federation/ormus/gnosis battle?

XD Nice... real nice...

Sellers really jusy reminded me of Doc Oct from Spiderman for some reason. I didn't expect a fight with him... but I would have liked to see more than him... He didn't play a very nessecary part of the story, though I liked his character because he was a genuis who was always one step behind Mizhari.

I got MOMO's, chaos's and Jin's final weapons because they were reletivly easy to get. I got chaos's weapon mostly to get some more experience as well. The only other final weapon I really want is Ziggy's but alas that's just a pain in the arse...

A tiny bit more training and then I'll head onto Mictim... I really have to sort out they're skill lines... *sigh*

Sellers reflected upon himself on the Merkabah, which you can say was the end of his tiny story arc. I don't know what he could have done as an adversary, but I suppose a fight would have been ok, since you fight all the other major antagonists.

First, I agree with Sellers story line ending at the merkabah, but this confused me because they kind of hyped up his purpose, and he really wasn't all that important. I thought Heinlein's voice acting was easily the worst voice acting in the entire game. I was also under the impression that Wilhelm was going to make Margulis into a last minute testament or something, but I guess not. I really enjoyed the ending, because it didnt truly end it, and there are just things that you have to figure out for yourself.

Yeah. I do have a little update. I logged 2 or so hours today, about 30 of the minutes reading a bit more of the database. Ethers and Techs are useful after all, it turns out. Fighting Gnosis, Shion's Ethers did more damage than her attacks. Techs did as well. chaos's Sun-something or another has the effect of lowering the defence, so starting with that attack on every enemy made the whole battle go smoother. Then KOS-MOS's G-Buster does extreme damage to Gnosis type enemies, so I was breaking that out like crazy. ES battles are fun, and I can honestly say that the battle system isn't as simple or cheap as I thought it was. Though I have yet to be extremely extremely amazed. (But I'm still early on.) Unfortunately, Boosts are still pointless.

Doungens=Very well designed. I take it back about the cutscenes music too. There are some reasonable tracks. The only bad music in the game is the normal battle music. And even that isn't terrible.

Right now, I'm saved right before that "Tomb" area from the videos we've seen so many times in the official videos. It killed me to stop playing there, but I had already been playing longer than I had ment to, so stopping was the best option. I hate it. I always want to go a little too farther, but once I have, I can never get to a Save point, so then I end up playing too much longer of the game. I'm trying to pace myself and it's not exactly doing it's best at working with that happening.

Another reference to Xenogears that I realized and thought was cool (other than the fact that the Yuriev ES boss was ####### Deus), is that in all 4 orbs, the bosses resembled the omnigears. For example, in the Ice one, the boss resembled Fenrir (Citan's omnigear), in the fire orb, it resembled Bart's omnigear (can't remember the name of it), in the Earth orb, the boss resembled El-Stier (Rico's omnigear), and in the Light orb, it resembled Billy's omnigear (also can't remember its some crazy name like Rengozuko or something). Just thought this was worth mentioning for those of you who have played Xenogears also.