Rumour had been floating around for a while, but Squuenix finally admitted to the existance of a FFXII spin off, titled Revenant Wing.



Zomgz or couldn't you care less?

Both. I'm just creeped out how the characters faces look. Looks like that FF that was on the GC (crystals something? don't remember the name).

Has it been confirmed to any console?

Nope, only for DS. I'd imagine it will use the engine from the recently released FFIII for DS; though, it might be something completely different. (like the dragon quest spin off)

Oh yeah... But DS? I thought it would go for PSP or something. SE never ceases to amaze me

I'll wait for more info before I can make my final opinion.

Maybe you should check out how well the DS is doing in Japan...

FF3 sold half a million in the first week @_@

Fixed that quote.

yes the faces do look like crap but then again when i heard this that they are going to make four more games i was kinda pissed off cuz i wanted the other games to be for the ps3 but ff13 looks good so i guess that will do.

Well the game looks good thus far. Good title though had to point that out.

I couldnt give less of a damn if i tried. I want to buy a DS but for some time I have just held Squenix with such contempt I dont care about whatever they release. I'll buy FFXII after reading as many reviews as I can and because frankly the game looks interesting but I am no longuer their fan.

Well, there are a some things that I expect from it...

A. I expect it to be a true FF experience, like the ones that came before FFX-2 and FFXI. I am sure it is...

B. I expect it to be worth my own excitement for the game being revived. There was a time when I lost all anticipation for it, but now, it seems that my anticipation is coming back...

C. I expect it to be as good as the Japanese gaming magazines make it out to be.

D. I expect the Collector's Edition to have good extras. Yes, the other day, I went out and pre-ordered it.

E. I expect the voice acting to be better than the voice acting than FFX. It will probably be better.

F. I expect no Sephiroth clones... I wouldn't want another massive fanbase based on a certain villain.

G. I expect a magnificent plot and great writing, like previous FF games, such as FFIX.

H. I expect the gameplay to be better than the demo.

I. Most importantly... I expect originality. Hopefully this game will have some, and not the same old cliches that alot of RPGs seem to have...

Well, I believe that this game won't disappoint. It looks good so far. I'll be looking forward to this release.

Oh and one more thing NO ONLINE play that will simply take emphasize from the story mode significantly.

Lmao! I saw this as a rumor and thought of it as nothing more. But now, this new's is rather funny. See like most, I thought this would be on the PSP(owned.) or a cell phone.. LOL! I guess the good sells that the DS is giving out is what they need. =) I'm lookin' forward to Final Fantasy 12 and Final Fantasy 12 DS. =D

Go Square.

At first, when the rumor was still being spread around about how it was going to be a 'sequel' and not a spinoff, I was a bit mortified. Now, though, I'm a bit relieved to here that its just a spin-off. It looks decent so far, just need to see what the story is all about. =/

So Revenant Wing is the confirmed title, I can't say I'm too thrilled or whatnot since I dont have a DS. But has there been any info whether Matsuno will also be in this one or not?

Agreed. I don't know why people would assume Square would release anything worth making a profit on off the PSP. As far as I'm concerned, personal oppinion here of course, the PSP is an utter piece of crap. Where as, again personal opinion, the DS from my perspective alone is a much better choice not to mention the DS handheld is owned and used by far more people. Lets face it, Sony might be fine with the loss in there marketability but everyone else shouldn't be. You can't expect to make games, sell them worldwide and come off it with a solid profit if you are making games for a system that is so expensive and elitist no one will buy it.

Word up, go square.

Thats your personal preferance, it's irrelevant to the rest of the world.

And the combined sales of the PS2 and PSP outsell the DS.
And I think it's fair to say the PSP still has great qaulty titles,
It's getting PS1 ports. Follow by Metal Gear Solid origins.
And a new Valkrie Profile.


I'm get FFXII for the PS2 it will be alot better, alot better. I'm not going to pay 10$ less for a game that clearly won't be better than the PS2.

It's not a matter of opinion when it comes to hardware sales. The DS is outselling the PSP by a fair old margin man. In Japan, its outragous. And as always the biggest selling platform will gather the biggest third party support.

Why cant you play both games for what they are, Mr Wonderful? Its not like the DS's FFXII is a watered down version of the PS2 FFXII...It's a different game altogether, and will be a totaly different experience.

Did you not read my post? I'm completetly aware of the DS outselling the PSP. I clear stated the combined sales of the PSP and PS2 are clearly outselling the DS. And the main point I was trying to point out is that the PSP has great qaulity titles that contribute greatly to the gaming world. But most of that is being overlooked thanks to the DS's overrated embrace as far as the system goes. But I don't like the games that the DS's offers. It's not in my personal liking.



Yes but the PS2 version is simply going to be a better qalulity titles, thanks to the limitations that the DS has. I guarantee you that the FF XII for the PS2 will have alot more depth, and possibly a better story telling to the plot by far, and will surpas the DS's.

Wait, the DS has less power than the ps2? Dammit, that ruins it, i will never get a DS because i expected a handheld to fully compete with a console. I guess this is good news for my economy. I remember when the GB pocket/color totally kicked the psx's ass. Seems like they are slakcking off right?

Also, did you know the combined sales of the Gamecube and the DS outsell the PS2's? Did you also know that the combined sales of the PS2, PSP, DS and GBA outsells the Gamecube? Did you know that if you combine more than one popular product's sales to compare it to another popular product's sales there are a lot of chances the first will be bigger?

Why are you combining those two sales together though? PS2 still sells extremely well all around the world, but we already have a FF XII for that console, and frankly it doesn't have anything to do with the PSP and DS.

Here are the DS sales to PSP last week of Aug 28 - Sep 3.

DS Lite - 228,939 [4,196,826] units
PSP - 27,499 [1,256,343] units

Quite the difference there. They chose the DS for the same reason developers always go with PS2. The DS is the "PlayStation" of the handheld market right now.


That may be, but what do you base this guarantee on? The DS may be limited in it's capabilities compared to the PS2, but it's powers are still above PS1 aren't they? (It's comparable to a portable N64)
And didn't PS1 have a lot more deep and quality rpg titles than PS2 did?

And I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. It's simply a different game, not an inferior version of an already existing one.

What Athrun said

Yes, the PSP does have some great titles, but what has that got to do with anything?

They are bringing a Final Fantasy XII to a portable console, they are choosing the console with the biggest userbase...Bitter because you dont have a DS? jk

I would tend to agree with what both of you are saying. Graphics and power an epic do not make; there are tons of 64, 32 and even 16bit games that are indepth and absorbing...On the other hand, its hard to feel absorbed when playing on a handheld, but certainly not impossible.

I wonder if the touch screen will be used for anything other than navigating menus and mini games.

FF XII hasn't come even come out yet, Here's clear verrification that it will come out October 31
Where on earth did you get that it already came out.

And actually yes the PS2 has something to do with it, it's somwhat still taking away the DS's sales, for you see as of late DS Lite's previous selling rate was alot more faster than what it is now.



I'm aware of that!

And actually the PS1 is more powerful, the DS simply just has more expandible functions. PSP is just about equal and is also expandible thanks to the enabling of online. The graphic rendering capabilities for both DS and PSP are not better than the PS1's.




Well actually the PS2 had the most 3rd party support, thanks to the 2nd version of DVD format, which was able to hold more capabilities. And the PS1 didn't have the more deep qaulity RPG's than that of PS2.



Reffering to Wii: What kind of touch screen adition do you expect for the DS. The only thing I can of to use it for is to configure your settings during the main menu, and also choosing your attacks for with the stylus adding no innovation at all.

If thats the case I don't why Nintendo is releasing it for the GBA. It makes alot more sense.

Where on earth? In a little place called Japan. =p
FF XII has been out there since March 2006. USA isn't the center of the Universe or the only place that matters is it?


Could you show me some sort of statistics or proof that shows the DS, being a portable system, competing in sales with the PS2 that is a stationary system?

Apple juice doesn't take away sales from coffee, because they are used for different occasions. In the same way, the PS2 doesn't compete with the handheld market.


You might want to double check your info there.
The PSP is in fact somwhere between PS1 and PS2. So it is more powerful than a PS1. And games like FF 7: Crisis Core will show you that, since the game appears to have PS2-like graphics. Metal Gear Solid 3: Portable Ops looks impressive as well. Definitely puts PS1 graphics to shame.

And the DS can play N64 games, (and N64 was more powerful than the PS1 in many areas.) so you do the math.


Actually PS1 had the most third party support. Look at it's competition (N64). It literally got nothing. Say what you will about the Xbox, but it did get a lot more third party games than N64.
So during the PS1 era was when the PlayStation had the biggest share of the market.

As for the rpgs, the majority popular opinion is that the best rpg's were for PS1, and not PS2.

So I don't think you can "guarantee" that this DS game can't match up to a PS2 game.
For example, Valkyre Profile (PS1) was ported over to the PSP. Many people find that game to be better than say... Valkyre Profile 2. (PS2)

Well it's not out in America yet, and how can you already get a take on the game. If your going to conclude something has already been released it has to be confirmed from all sides. Many people don't even own int on this forum.



Aparently the Playstation 2 are in the same gaming era as PSP and DS. Meaning they won't overall success through the whole gaming community. Even if it's a handheld system, it's been proven before. Gameboy wiped away 3DO and Jaguar clear out of market substantial. Handhelds systems can take way sales from home consoles, although ussually handheld competitors are it's direct apprach.





Your considering only graphical capabilities and not the system as a whole. Your neglecting many other aspects, the PS1 is generally more stronger, the reason you see better performance is really only because of UMD format. It's capable of holding more video qaulity.

If PS1 were to use those, I bet the graphics would be just as good. And why Sony didn't put multimedia into there system, is because it was to premature at the time. People in 1995 were still highly entertained by just video games.




No the PS2 had the most market share by 2006, and is currently recieving in this gen, not the one before this gen. I wasn't reffering to PS1's.

And the PS2 had alot more in-depth insite in RPG's by far. PS1 had CD-rom format not being able to hold more than the DVD format, and thats why PS2 RPG's are more legthy.

Are you nuts the PS2 has alot more RPG support. And has released about 1,600 games.

The funy thing is that you are doing the exact same thing for a game that has just barely got announced. There are actual previews, hands ons and impression articles on the japense version of FFXII that you can take into consideration when building a preconceived notion of a yet to be released game.




When did the Gameboy did this? Its like saying a smartphone made a Laptop loose market share, its simply ridiculous. In laymans terms for better understading since Hicks appele juice and coffee example didnt work, think of it as being at the supermarket and getting a cookie when what you wanted was a full cake. I dont know how clearer to make this point, I am out of comparison ideas.




1) If the DS can use its format and hold as much data as an N64 cart or a CD and provide equal graphics capabilities, then how the hell is the psone stronger if it was released almost 10 years before. Its like saying the NES was stronger than the GB color.

2) UMD is currently one of the most hated formats by the public. Its compression results are terrible. And how is the whole multimedia point even relevant now? I dont get how this came into the picture, explain.



Here is some help
Market share: The size and/or amount of public acceptance in both popularity and economical sides.
Third Party Support: The available commercial aid from independent parties to produce goods to work in conjunction with a main hardware manufacturer.

And the switch from CD and DVD is called progresion. They werent going to invent an optical disc that held less than 700 megs would they?

Also, I dont know where you got those two facts about PS2 rpgs being more indepth and longer, last time i checked i could play 180 hours on Persona 2 EP without any thype of sidequest. The dvd format only added more room to put graphics, sound and movies, RPGs now have the same standard length as they did before, about 30 to 40 hours.

I know fanboyism can be a curse sometimes, hell I am a nintendo and sega fanboy and sometimes are blinded briefly, but please, at least try to have some logic into your arguements, it cant really be that damn hard.

No I don't. In that case, you'll have to dismiss the notion that Kingdom hearts II has been released. (Since it still hasn't been released in Europe.)

So Kingdom Hearts II doesn't exist for PS2? Got it.

And the point was that there is a FF XII for PS2. And that it has been developed for PS2 because PS2 is the best selling stationary console.
Am I right or am I wrong?

That was the original point I made. Not sure why you are side tracking here...


Apparently? Again, show me something that supports this.
There's a reason why they don't compare the statistics between handheld units and stationary consoles.


What aspects are those?
Concidering that the PSP can play PS1 ports perfectly (Valkyre Profile, Suikoden 1 & 2, Tales of Eternia) and play PS2-like games that are not possible on PS1, (Gran Theft Auto: Liberty City, MGS 3: Portable ops, FF7: Crisis Core) I don't see where your argument about it being weaker than a PS1 is coming from.

Oh and it's not just my own concideration. Sony are the ones who describe it (designed it) as in between PS1 and PS2.


PS1 didn't share third party support with anyone. PS2 does. (N64 hardly got any)

PS1 was completely dominating, but PS2 doesn't because third party games are made for Xbox as well. And some to GC.


That's a pretty ignorant statement. (As Razael pointed out as well.)
Suikoden 2 (which is on a CD for PS1) is far longer than Suikoden IV (which is on DVD for PS2)
Xenogears (CD) is longer than Xenosaga. (DVD) Why do you think that is?

The DVD games don't get necisarily longer, because it's the more advanced graphics that takes up more space.
Look at MGS.
They're exactly the same in length and game content, no matter if they are on PS1, PS2 or PSP.

And more lengthy does not equal more in-depth. Where do you get that idea?
The PS1 rpg's were plenty lengthy enough for that matter. Longer than many PS2 rpgs.



Ehh, PS1 actually has more rpg's than the PS2. Numbers don't lie.
And more rpgs that are concidered by a vast majority as "quality" rpgs. It's the general popular opinion, no matter what you and I think.

You know even though your arguments states many things I'm going to keep my cool, and contreverse in an inteligent discussion without resorting to offensive launguage.

OK, but you still shouldn't conculde the release until the vast majority and can understand where your coming from. It's only available in Japan correct, do you know how scarce it is to get that game. Until October 31 it should be released everywhere else your arugument hold very weak.

In terms of availability for FF XII your argument hold weak meaning.

About the stationary subject your right to a certain degree.




What aspects the aspects that you neglected. PSP has UMD format which holds more capacity, than CD-ROM.
Enough said.



Where did you get that N64 hardly got any? I'm aware of that anyway, why are you bringing up N64 when thats completelt irrelevant in supporting your statement. Yes the N64 had the least 3rd party support does that effect FF XII, or the PS2 in anyway, no.



As for the PS2 library and DS marketing.

I don't know there are countless possible explanations. Some people prefer DS over PS2.
There is no real evidence that is needed to suppor that.

I was sarcastic because you're not making much sense to me here.
Availability for the game doesn't even matter.

The one and only point I made (If there is any other, go back and find it and show me, because you must have missread my first posts severely) is that FF XII exists for PS2.
It was created for PS2 because PS2 is the most selling console.
And FF XII Revenant Wings is being made for the DS for the very same reason.

What regions FF XII has been released in is completely besides the point. Especially because it is being converted to the other regions, and the FF games always have.



The ROM media is part of the console.
Not only is the PSP's CPU statistics above PS1, but even the disc drive format is.
So in what way is it weaker than a PS1? It's even officially stated by Sony to be close to PS2.

And Tekken Tag was released on a CD (PS2) But a PS1 could never handle a game like that, even though they used the same disc media.

PS1 can not handle full scale PSP graphics, no matter what storage media it uses. It's too weak.


I was replying to your comment earlier:


"The PS2 had the most third party support" compared to what?



If people prefer the DS over PS2, then they prefer handheld gaming over stationary. Or touch-screen games over regular games. So again, the PS2 isn't competeing with the DS.
They're two completey different consoles, with completely different games.

As for the in-depth rpgs thing, what you said is simply a biased personal preference.
A big group of the rpg community concider Xenogears (PS1) to be the rpg with the deepest story.
And most rpg fans concider either Xenogears, FF VI, FF VII, or Chrono Trigger to be the best rpgs of all time. etc. None of which are PS2 games, but rather PS1 and SNES games.

The CD format may not be as big as a DVD, but it wascertainly sufficiant to properly tell a story. And to make the games as long as they are now.
So there's no guarantee that a PS2 game will be better than a DS game when we haven't even seen what type of game it's going to be yet.

And again, there's no reason to compare these two games in the way you did.
On the contrary, the fact that there's a FF XII for PS2 may very well be a good reason why people will want to play this game, if it does indeed deal with Vaan's and Penelo's past. (Takes place before FF XII.)

OK, but one thing I have to say.

As far as the DS and PS2 marketing, I never said they were direct competitors. I need to emphasize that alot, for your to overlooking that aspect in my post.

And if you claim that PSP has more power than the PS1, howcome as of late on the PSP games are shorter from what they are from PS1.
Theres obviously GPU limitation to the PSP.

How powerful a console is, or how big its storage is, makes no difference to the lengths of games... A SNES Rpg could be reaching a hundred hours long, yet something like Sonic on the PS3 could be completed in around 15 hours. The SNES game is 2Mb at most, how big are PS3 games?

As for the PSP PS1 PS2 power thingy:

PlayStation
PlayStation 2
PlayStation Portable

CPU

• 33Mhz
• 294Mhz
• 333Mhz - Most software runs at 222Mhz to save battery

RAM

• 2Mb
• 32Mb
• 32Mb Main plus 4Mb auxillary

GPU

• Handled by CPU, 1Mb RAM
• 147Mhz 4Mb embedded RAM
• 166Mhz 2Mb embedded RAM

So you can see in some areas the PSP actually improves over the PS2 [afterall, its technology is some 4 and half years newer] but overall it sits behind the PS2. It's still light years ahead of the PS1 though. I find it funny anyone could think otherwise.

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7292

A scan from FFXII: Revenant Wings.

The game focuses on Vaan and Penelo, but not sure what else it's about other than that.

if i had a DS i think I would prolly pick this up, i love my final fantasy

oh and btw, I dont know if its just my computer, but that link is bad for me, wont load

I'm smelling a trend around this. First is Penelo is a slutty like dancer's outfit that the low cut on her pants it's pretty close to her cleavage. An unexpected back story about the world with the resurrection of Balthier and Fran. *gasp*

But it wouldn't have to run with on the DS unlike the PS2, so possibly it can be avoided to become another FFX-2.

Some scans from Shonen Jump.











http://www.jeux-france.com/

According to Motomu Toriyama, the game will have a modified version of Final Fantasy XII's Active Dimension Battle system. However, it can be played entirely with the stylus. Like in Final Fantasy XII, battles initiate once the party comes in contact with the enemy, and the characters will attack automatically. The player will be given the option to use the stylus to give commands to the characters by tapping on them with the stylus. It will be possible to change their target, set gambits, use various abilities, and more. Area spells can be cast by drawing a rectangle around the enemy with the stylus. Espers will return in Revenant Wings and will have a larger role than in Final Fantasy XII; Toriyama has said Revenant Wings will have more summons than any previous Final Fantasy game.

LINKS:
http://xcomp.gamebrink.com/?p=474
http://ds.ign.com/articles/733/733945p1.html
http://ds.ign.com/articles/742/742592p1.html

For those interested on reading further details.

http://www.eyesonff.com/

That site has some of the latest scans for the game, as well as the latest on the game itself so you might wanna check it out.

http://ruliweb2.empas.com/ruliboard/read.h...ds&main=nds