Hahahahahahaha! There are just so many of these topics now, but this is a really tough one, out of Lulu and Vivi who is the most powerful in their black magic?

I vote for Vivi, it's sort of like he doesn't know his own strength and he's really tough. Lulu isn't more powerful than him.

I can't say. I don't know where Vivi came from?

This one is a little different...and really tough..

Personally I really like lulu...she is like my favourite character of all times. But in this matter I do think vivi will win. He has more potentiall and will get stronger.

Final Fantasy IX.

Lulu's strongest spell in terms of gameplay is Ultima. Vivi's strongest attack is Doomsday. Doomsday KOs every target. He wins. In terms of story and cutscenes, the fight with the Black Waltz showed the little guy's skill.

Lulu has Death. OMG Vivi is dead. LULU PWNS VIVI!


Lol let's not play it that way.

Lulu's skill with regards to the spheregrid are limitless. Vivi is limited to his class and by level. It's obvious that Lulu at full potential would hand Vivi his ass on a golden Platter. Lulu can hit over 10000 with her best weapon. Vivi stops at 9999 Lulu get's double cast as a spell. Vivi needs to be in trance. Lulu's trance casts MULTIPLE spells. Vivi's.... only 2

Lulu's Magic defence is pwn, and if you go through Yunas grid (Which is easy) then she has that much more same with hp too.

It's easy to make Lulu's health 9999 (or close to it) with good armor and hp upgrade. Vivi's remains low unless leveled to the max.

I'd have to say Lulu

And he'd be gawking at her Knockers for a little bit too. As I would. So she had a preemptive attack, lmao.

Lulu's knockers.

Eh. Her chest ain't anything special. Believe me. I have a keen awareness of this kind of thing and I didn't care or really notice it. Perhaps the whole Goth-look was just a turn-off but her boobage never impacted me on Tifa-level

Let us not forget that Vivi isn't interested in girls, so I don't think a pair of jugs is going to put him off and yes Vivi was from Final Fantasy IX, and the precise where is by the hands of Kuja, they only hint at this in the game but they say enough...

SPOILER >Vivi is the prototype (the first one) of the black mage army<

dude everyone has an interest in girls, come on. Her jugs are better, and she is just a better overall character.. LuLu wins and then we celebrate

This is simple Vivi is a pure mage, but Lulu is only human and had to study it to learn, while vivi just has it in him, so Vivi will, kick her ass.

Very good point there I must say.

thanks it's just science for Vivi is pure magic and Lulu is not

Let's not play the Numbers game either... Any character battle between a FFX character and any other character someone mentions that they highest damage any character can do is "99999" instead of the usual 9999 but I have a counter arguement. In the FFIX world the most damage inflicted is 9999... this is the limit... So no matter how gaint the attack it will only reach 9999 but For simplicity we'll say it's 10,000... We'll call the maximum 'Y'... If vivi's attack does 5000 Then it does 1/2 of Y...

Now in the FFX world X = 99999 (for simplicity we'll say 100,000)... So when Lulu does 5000 damage it's only 1/20 of Y (I think, my maths is not very good and I'm tired). If you work by this formula then it's easy to work out that Lulu can never win. If Lulu had 300 HP in her world, that only equals 30HP in Vivi's. So I'll set up the battle

Vivi has 300HP
He does an attack which equals 100HP
Lulu has 300HP - In the FFX world but in Vivi's world she has 30HP
She does an attack which would equal 100HP in her world but only does 10 points of damage in Vivi's world.
Vivi wins...

and even if you put Vivi in Lulu's world

Vivi has 300HP but in Lulu's world that would equal 3000 (just move the decimal point)
He does an attack which would equal 100HP in his world but does 1000 points of damange in Lulu's
Lulu has 300HP
She would attack for 300HP

Also if you say that you train Lulu up until the end of her Sphere Grid line and you train Vivi up to what an average level should be for defeating the final boss... then if you work with number it makes Vivi the clear winner.

However I DO NOT belive this at all... I'm just showing you that going by numbers is pointless...

But I do agree with this:

I don't really think you can equate it like that, lol. The max in FFX is 9999- unless you get a certain item. So, it would be safe to assume that Vivi could do more if he has that certain item. Under those circumstances, I would say that your theory is false. But if the natural damage limit is 99999 in FFX, then it would be true. But since you need to do numerous things to be able to achieve such godly attacks then I would say the worlds don't relate the way you say they do.

But... If we want to play it your way.

Lulu would have 99999 hp too But in relation to Vivi's world her max would be 9999. Which puts them on the same level.

And just because someone was a Beta version of a Black Mage, I wouldn't say he is more powerful than a devoted black mage, which the ability came innately. I would say their on equal terms with regards to that. Besides Vivi was the beta, and he was tossed away because Kuja could create better.

Don't worry about the Final Fantasy IX - X differences. If they both fight say at the beginning of the game so they're very weak so the differences wouldn't be apparent who would win in a straight fight?

I picked Vivi.

I liked them both, its just that Vivi had something to him that made me like him more.

So yeah, he would win in a fight.

Haha I really don't want to... I just posted that lengthy explanation to show that you shouldn't use stats... (Although you don't seem to know what I mean by the power of 'y'... bascially any damage caused by anything takes away hitpoints... so if a tree were to fall on Lulu and say it caused 'y' amount of damage [obviously it was a heavy tree]... that would mean 99,999 point of damage regardless of what item the tree may or may not have equipped... but as i said you REALLY can't go by stats... they mean NOTHING when you cross characters from other worlds)


I don't think Kuja could make better, but I think he could make more efficent. Vivi had a longer lifespan than the others and I belive he was also more powerful. I have no idea how Vivi's egg got into the hands of Quina's Master... that's something I'll have to look up.

Lol... Interesting topic here. But actually from my own point of view, Vivi have a better chance to win Lulu.

This is my explaination:

Firstly, the equipment ablities like loud mouth, bright eyes protects/Guards Vivi from status effect magics not to mention Locomation. Which means status effect black magic will not have effect then on Vivi, even though in FFX, equipments can too, let Lulu be immune to status effect skills, but through equipment, where as Vivi could have learn the supporting abilities permernantly.

Secondly, not to mention that with the aid on to the support ability "High Tide" Vivi is able to achieving trance much easier, so he can use double black magic faster then usual, which is another advantage of him already.

Thirdly, not to mention that the "Rebirth ring" allows Vivi to learn "Auto-Revive", which means Vivi can auto revive once in every battle if he knock out. Together with double black, he could have just used drain to heal his life back to full. Or "Light Robe" Allows Vivi for the skill, "Full life" and "Half MP".

Fourthly, permenant supporting skills like, "Auto-Regen & Auto-Potion" which means Vivi could heal himself without waiting for his ATB bar to be charged full.

Fifthly, the "Protect ring" allows Vivi to learn "Mag Elem Null" which allows all elemental magic's damage to be reduced half. Then "Running Shoes" Provides Vivi with the skill of "Auto-Haste" which means he could win Lulu in terms of speed.

Sixthly, even if its 1 on 1 physical battle, Vivi still wins Lulu since the skill "Man Eater" inflicts higher damage when fighting against humans.

This is why I think Vivi stands a higher chance in winning.

Bloo...

huh...I thought this was more like a "character preferance" thread. but you all are going into stats and everything I'd think that (regarding stats) lulu would kinda have the better chance since she can learn all those things from the sphere grid. Vivi would have good protection, but it would probably only get him so far. Lulu can use those white magic skills as well as her own black magic.