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Xanadu
Okay I just made this general Dark Aeon tacics so everyone can benefit but what I'm after right here and right now is if anyone could give me some tactics for Dark Bahamut? My 3 best hitters are Wakka, Auron and Yuna (Auron 80'000-99'999, Wakka 99'999 always, Yuna 50'000 approx) and I tend to use auto-life. So anyone got some tactics that will fit? I don't have Tidus's celestial weapon powered up (I got Sun sigil, but not crest, this is why I need to beat up Dark Bahamut see? I didn't pick it up my first time round in Zanarkand...)

Thanks in advance. If anyone wants to ask for some tactics... I made this topic didn't I?
Seymour Guado
Considering I haven't played that game in sooo long, I found the Best way is to keep The Aeons and Yuna weak, Since Yuna And Aeons are Connected And basically lvl up at the Same time(whenever you Put her magic up) Either that or Keep Yunas Magic Weak or at a good lvl since they get stonger everytime her magic goes up.

I found a Team of Lulu(Since She learns HArdcore MAgic(Ultima), Auron(Since He's Hardcore in health and Strength), and Tidus(Since he learns Hastega and other good quick Moves). Also Swap with Rikku with Auron if You Found all of the Al Bhed Books(since Rin Gives you I think 10 Items that Do a skill I think called Dark Matter That just Kills, I can't Remember if he gives more or not)

but since your doing that Celestial stuff (I never did that considering my Bro looked it all up in his Startegy Guide and wouldn't let me look in it and just did it) I can't help ya there......Just use the Best Armor and Weapons you can get or Customize.......

If this helps any at all...... Your Welcome.............

P.S. I don't know if you've gotten the Magus Sisters or Yojimbo(Pretty sure you've got him) but ya either that or train your guys like bloody hell
Xanadu
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Considering I haven't played that game in sooo long, I found the Best way is to keep The Aeons and Yuna weak, Since Yuna And Aeons are Connected And basically lvl up at the Same time(whenever you Put her magic up) Either that or Keep Yunas Magic Weak or at a good lvl since they get stonger everytime her magic goes up.


No I'm pretty sure this isn't true, the Dark Aeons have set HP and other Stats, but oh well...

I do have all the Aeons. I never use Lulu Though, Even though Ultima is awesome I haven't got the Venus Sigil (I dodged 199 lightning bolts and got hit, no joke!) so that's pretty useless, my current tactics are -

Main Party (I swap often for others but here are my best -)

Wakka (he hits 99'999)
Auron (hits 80'000 - 99'999)
Yuna (Hits approx 50'000 - 55'000)

Basically I entrust my overdrives to Wakka and use Attack reels, I often use Yuna and Tidus to use Autolife on everyone so that 'Impulse' doesn't wipe me out, but here's the problem, he uses it too often I can't get everyone an auto-life quick enough, and I have barely enough moves to attack him, so there's my problem, thanks for all your advice though... I don't think that much more levelling up is needed, because with my 3 main attackers I've pretty much nearly filled the Sphere-Grid, anyone want to add something to my tactics?
They worked from Dark Valefore, Ifrit, Ixion and Shiva, because they never attacked the whole party to hit 99'999, so anyone got some tactics to help me with the multiple attack?
Thanks anyway Seymour!
Final Fantasist
QUOTE (Gharmos)
Basically I entrust my overdrives to Wakka and use Attack reels, I often use Yuna and Tidus to use Autolife on everyone so that 'Impulse' doesn't wipe me out, but here's the problem, he uses it too often I can't get everyone an auto-life quick enough, and I have barely enough moves to attack him, so there's my problem, thanks for all your advice though... I don't think that much more levelling up is needed, because with my 3 main attackers I've pretty much nearly filled the Sphere-Grid, anyone want to add something to my tactics?
They worked from Dark Valefore, Ifrit, Ixion and Shiva, because they never attacked the whole party to hit 99'999, so anyone got some tactics to help me with the multiple attack?
Thanks anyway Seymour!

Put Auto-life on your armor, I think you need 99 mega-phoenixdown to synthitese(sp) it to your armor.

You go to battle with auto-life already in effect. That's one problem solved... Beating them is a totally different question.
Paul77
I never remembered Dark Bahamut, but if your characters are alrdy breaking the dmg limit, it shouldn't be hard to kill anything in the game. Well, except maybe a few of the creation monsters. But even then. I guess if its really hard, get your overdrives charged before the fight, then unleash on him.
Xanadu
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Put Auto-life on your armor, I think you need 99 mega-phoenixdown to synthitese(sp) it to your armor.
You go to battle with auto-life already in effect. That's one problem solved... Beating them is a totally different question.


That's great, just one problem, I need to get at least 3 lots of 99 mega-phoenix's, anything I can steal em off?
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I guess if its really hard, get your overdrives charged before the fight, then unleash on him.


Hmm yeah I get them all up and entrust them to Wakka and then he does attack reels, the problem is that when he does "Impulse" he hits everyone for 99'999 damage. Thanks for your contribution though!
Athrun
I dunno, I think Auto Life is a waste of space on your armor, because you'll need all four slots for more important things.
1st Break HP Limit.
2nd Auto Haste

For some reason I forgot what the third slot was. Either Auto Protect or Defense + 25% I'd imagine.

The last slot I left open for Ribbon, but it's very hard to get 99 Dark Matter for everyone, so perhaps only do this for one or two characters. It helps a lot with some of the stronger Dark Aeons though, and it makes Nemesis a joke.
Liquidus
idk, I have never seen a dark aeon, are they only in the jap edition or something?
YourSweet666
Well personally, I just had Tidus, Yuna and Wakka with 255 in every stat. Then I just smacked him around with Blitz ace and Wakka's whirly move until he rolled over.

The only real problem he posed was when he used Impulse, which hits everyone with Armour/Power/ whatever else break. But he usually uses his attacks in the same order, so try and guess when he's going to use Impulse and just get an Aeon to take the hit.
Xanadu
QUOTE (Athrun @ Jan 4 2007, 07:35 PM) *
I dunno, I think Auto Life is a waste of space on your armor, because you'll need all four slots for more important things.
1st Break HP Limit.
2nd Auto Haste

For some reason I forgot what the third slot was. Either Auto Protect or Defense + 25% I'd imagine.

The last slot I left open for Ribbon, but it's very hard to get 99 Dark Matter for everyone, so perhaps only do this for one or two characters. It helps a lot with some of the stronger Dark Aeons though, and it makes Nemesis a joke.

For my armour i always have...
Ribbon
Break HP Limit
Auto-Phoenix (not auto life)
HP + 30%

Sometimes I swap Auto-phoenix or HP+ for auto-haste

QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Mar 3 2007, 07:07 PM) *
idk, I have never seen a dark aeon, are they only in the jap edition or something?

lol no, have you completed the game yet? or cloe to completing it? because after you get the airship and you travel around you will come across some of them, and no they're not only in the Jap edition, they're in all of them. After you beat them all you get to face penance, ever heard of him?


QUOTE (YourSweet666 @ Mar 4 2007, 05:18 AM) *
Well personally, I just had Tidus, Yuna and Wakka with 255 in every stat. Then I just smacked him around with Blitz ace and Wakka's whirly move until he rolled over.

The only real problem he posed was when he used Impulse, which hits everyone with Armour/Power/ whatever else break. But he usually uses his attacks in the same order, so try and guess when he's going to use Impulse and just get an Aeon to take the hit.

thanks for that last bit of advice, i didn't realised he attacked in a specific pattern, as for blitz ace, i never use it lol, attack reels is always my limit of choice, if you get all 2s, which isn't that hard it doubles and he hits them 12 times, and for me he deals 99'999 damage each time so thats uhh.. 1'199'988 damage per limit break.
but with most dark aeons they bump me down to hitting only around 20'000 each hit with him...
Liquidus
Gharmos,

yes, I have heard of penance, I want to fight him so bad, and of course I have completed the game, it's very short but it is a really great game. I am around 474:34 into the game, and I have never run into a dark aeon, after I heard of theem, I was looking around the whole world (mainly zanderkand because I heard on the internet that's where you find Bahamut) and didn't find any.
Flame
QUOTE (Gharmos @ Mar 5 2007, 11:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Mar 3 2007, 07:07 PM) *
idk, I have never seen a dark aeon, are they only in the jap edition or something?

lol no, have you completed the game yet? or cloe to completing it? because after you get the airship and you travel around you will come across some of them, and no they're not only in the Jap edition, they're in all of them. After you beat them all you get to face penance, ever heard of him?


Actually Gharmos, that isn't strictly true. The Dark Aeons and Penance are only in the Europian version of FFX (and I belive in an updated Japanese Version of FFX) but it is not in the American version whatsoever. There is no possible way for American's the fight the dark Aeons unless they import from Europe or Japan. Sorry Apple Juice.
Athrun
Flame is correct. The Dark Aeons first appeared in FFX: International, which is the second version released in Japan. The European version is based on FFX: International and is nearly identical in every way except that it runs in 50 hz and the screen is squished.
The US version is the same as the first Japanese version of FFX. In other words, no Dark Aeon's, no Penance, no Ribbon. etc. (You're going to need Ribbon in some of the new battles.)

Pretty much all of the Dark Aeons are stronger than Nemesis in the monster arena, except for the first 2 or 3. Valfor, Ixion and Ifrit I believe do not have break damage limit. But the rest of them do. And boy does it get tough once you get up to the stronger ones. I fought the Magus sisters for about 45 minutes, until I ran out of Aeons to use as human shields. (The Magus sisters Overdrive does 99 9999 damage and it dispells any Auto Life you may have, so getting hit by it means 100% death) I had to take out every Aeon I had to take the hit for me until I was down to my last one, Youjimbo. I was out of options so I payed him everything I had, and to my surprise he noded, and did Zanmato on them. It must have been because I took down their HP so much already. I didn't want to beat them that way, but I tried doing it earlier for fun and it didn't work. But afterwards I found out why that battle was so rediculously hard. It's because you're supposed to fight them 1 on 1. I got surrounded and had to fight all three at once.

And then Penance appeared. And it's safe to say he is the hardest boss I've fought in an rpg. But it was fun devising a strategy against him. Ribbon and Auto Life are useless against him of course, just like with the Magus Sisters.
The strategy actually involved dropping my max HP down to 9999.
Liquidus
QUOTE (Flame @ Mar 6 2007, 05:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Gharmos @ Mar 5 2007, 11:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Mar 3 2007, 07:07 PM) *
idk, I have never seen a dark aeon, are they only in the jap edition or something?

lol no, have you completed the game yet? or cloe to completing it? because after you get the airship and you travel around you will come across some of them, and no they're not only in the Jap edition, they're in all of them. After you beat them all you get to face penance, ever heard of him?


Actually Gharmos, that isn't strictly true. The Dark Aeons and Penance are only in the Europian version of FFX (and I belive in an updated Japanese Version of FFX) but it is not in the American version whatsoever. There is no possible way for American's the fight the dark Aeons unless they import from Europe or Japan. Sorry Apple Juice.

There's nothing to be sorry about, I knew that it was in the European and maybe jap, I just hopw that they will release a new FF10 with all the other things that haven't been in the original FF10, like dark aeon's and penance.
Flame
QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Mar 6 2007, 09:10 PM) *
There's nothing to be sorry about, I knew that it was in the European and maybe jap, I just hopw that they will release a new FF10 with all the other things that haven't been in the original FF10, like dark aeon's and penance.

It's probably not going to happen but I wouldn't say ALL hope was lost... I think at the end of the year it's the 20th anniversary of Final Fantasy and so they are re-releasing some of the games (even though they've only just been re-released). Maybe FFX will be re-released in the US with European extras. It wouldn't be THAT difficult to be honest but that's just speculation on my part. At the moment though... I can't see it happening.
Liquidus
QUOTE (Flame @ Mar 6 2007, 03:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Mar 6 2007, 09:10 PM) *
There's nothing to be sorry about, I knew that it was in the European and maybe jap, I just hopw that they will release a new FF10 with all the other things that haven't been in the original FF10, like dark aeon's and penance.

It's probably not going to happen but I wouldn't say ALL hope was lost... I think at the end of the year it's the 20th anniversary of Final Fantasy and so they are re-releasing some of the games (even though they've only just been re-released). Maybe FFX will be re-released in the US with European extras. It wouldn't be THAT difficult to be honest but that's just speculation on my part. At the moment though... I can't see it happening.

Me neither, but I really hope it does.
Xanadu
woops my mistake, i have always been under the impression whatever japan and USA had, europe had too, since it's first released in japan, then the USA then in europe, so sadly we're normally always the last ones to get it. ah well that's a shame, well the dark aeon's, well some of them can be a blast, the first four (valefor, ifrit, ixion & shiva) are quite easy to beat because they don't have standard attacks that attack the entire party, so you don't need strong tactics for them, that's why i was able to beat them, i need to have a file like my cousin, he's done 100% of the game, filled the entire sphere grid and what he does is he fills ever empty node with a hp node, and sometimes he activates a node, removes it, puts another one there and repeats just to get his stats up, he had too much time on his hands but unfortunatly he put it down for now.
Liquidus
QUOTE (Gharmos @ Mar 7 2007, 01:33 PM) *
woops my mistake, i have always been under the impression whatever japan and USA had, europe had too, since it's first released in japan, then the USA then in europe, so sadly we're normally always the last ones to get it. ah well that's a shame, well the dark aeon's, well some of them can be a blast, the first four (valefor, ifrit, ixion & shiva) are quite easy to beat because they don't have standard attacks that attack the entire party, so you don't need strong tactics for them, that's why i was able to beat them, i need to have a file like my cousin, he's done 100% of the game, filled the entire sphere grid and what he does is he fills ever empty node with a hp node, and sometimes he activates a node, removes it, puts another one there and repeats just to get his stats up, he had too much time on his hands but unfortunatly he put it down for now.

what you're cousin did, is exactly what I want to do, fill the sphere grid. Did he get anything for filling it up? Cause I heard, if you fill it up, you get something good.
YourSweet666
QUOTE (Gharmos @ Mar 8 2007, 08:33 AM) *
woops my mistake, i have always been under the impression whatever japan and USA had, europe had too, since it's first released in japan, then the USA then in europe, so sadly we're normally always the last ones to get it. ah well that's a shame, well the dark aeon's, well some of them can be a blast, the first four (valefor, ifrit, ixion & shiva) are quite easy to beat because they don't have standard attacks that attack the entire party, so you don't need strong tactics for them, that's why i was able to beat them, i need to have a file like my cousin, he's done 100% of the game, filled the entire sphere grid and what he does is he fills ever empty node with a hp node, and sometimes he activates a node, removes it, puts another one there and repeats just to get his stats up, he had too much time on his hands but unfortunatly he put it down for now.



How could he have done that. If you clear a stat node, it subtracts that amount of that stat from the characters total. It's impossible to say, activate a str +4 node, clear it add another and then repeat, because every time you do so you lose the 4 strength points.
YourSweet666
QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Mar 8 2007, 02:08 PM) *
what you're cousin did, is exactly what I want to do, fill the sphere grid. Did he get anything for filling it up? Cause I heard, if you fill it up, you get something good.



No you don't, all you get are maxed stats.
Athrun
QUOTE (YourSweet666 @ Mar 8 2007, 09:50 AM) *
How could he have done that. If you clear a stat node, it subtracts that amount of that stat from the characters total. It's impossible to say, activate a str +4 node, clear it add another and then repeat, because every time you do so you lose the 4 strength points.

You have to do that to get maxed stats. At the beginning of the game all you can do is activate the nodes that are already on the sphere grid. But later on you can erase all the +1, +2, and +3 nodes and replace them with +4 nodes instead and then activate them again.
Just activating everything that's already on the sphere grid will not give you maxed stats.
Xanadu
ah, yeah that's right hiks, thats what he did, replaces +1, 2 and 3s and made them into 4s. he even made the hp+200 nodes into hp+300 nodes too i beleive.
YourSweet666
QUOTE (Gharmos @ Mar 9 2007, 02:51 AM) *
ah, yeah that's right hiks, thats what he did, replaces +1, 2 and 3s and made them into 4s. he even made the hp+200 nodes into hp+300 nodes too i beleive.



That sounds better....I did it to, mostly just to knock off the optional bosses. It's really tedious, even after developing the method to max everyone it still takes around 100 hours just to get everything you need and then get it all done.

Though it is worth it in the end, there's nothing like being indestructible in a game.
Flame
Really? I don't see why it's so worth it... in 100 hours I could probably complete two other games rather than do a tedious sidequest... but to each their own. I guess I'm quite impatient... I'd rather start a game again from the beginning then try to max out stats.
Athrun
QUOTE (Flame @ Mar 9 2007, 12:31 PM) *
Really? I don't see why it's so worth it... in 100 hours I could probably complete two other games rather than do a tedious sidequest... but to each their own. I guess I'm quite impatient... I'd rather start a game again from the beginning then try to max out stats.

Concidering I found those battles to be more fun and challenging than any other battles in the game, it wasn't tedious for me. I'd rather this was implemented into the actual game, but with faster ways of powerleveling, but sadly it wasn't. It almost felt like two separate games to me in a way. The Dark Aeons, monster arena and Penance for me wasn't about doing an extra side quest just for the heck of it. It was about actually discovering the true battle system. Because ever since you got a hold of Break Damage limit, the whole gameplay went down the drain. The final boss even dies from one hit. But the reason they implemented that system along with others became clear when I went through those other battles later. It was worth it simply because I thought it was more fun than the regular game. Without it, the battle system of the game would have left me with a feeling of something lacking.
It just comes down to how fun it is. It's different for each game and person.
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