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yes
Hi everyone.
Im currently playing S5 and Im now in the battle against the Princess....or do'h....The New Queen.
The battle itself is pretty easy, I massacre half or less of the front and then I just sneak behind the other half standing out of range to react. Then Roy approaches The New Queen and:
I kill Alenia, the others can almost do nothing to the enemy, but Zerase beats the ##### out of them with her magic. Anyway, I was pretty delighted when I first beat her(Alenia). Then I meet Zahhak with Kyle, and I wonder how the hell I am suppose to win ( thatsuck.gif ) after 2-3 rounds Kyle dies.
Who should I choose to fight in Kyle's party?
So what I really could need some help with from you who are experts is to get tips about who I should choose to join the different parties:

1st:
Roy
Zerase
???
???
???
???

2nd:
Kyle
???
???
???
???
???

3rd:
The Prince
Lyon
Minakis
Sialeeds
???
???

I hope you folks can help me, cause I really want to win this and not give up....Like Ive done with some other games unsure.gif
And this game is a pure classic to me.
Sigs Minock
it's always good to balance a party.
i don't remember who i have in the other parties- but in Kyle's team i (think i) had Dinn, Bernadette, (someone else- i think a mage, like Jeane), and Byaruken- the white snake.
the snake made short work of the soldiers. smile.gif leaving Zahhak vulnerable.
yes
Byaruken?Jeane? I cant remember to have heard about these folks blush.gif :whoa:

Where do I get this Byaruken?

Greetings:
-Noob laugh.gif

Edit:
I find Jeane in Lelcar and The snake somewhere in Ceras Lake.(where in the lake?

Edit2:
Oh yeah, thank you Suikosource tongue.gif
Pesmerga
Well, Kyle is the toughest fight in my opinion, so place your strongest partymembers in that party.

You can use random characters for Roy and Zerase's team, cause Zerase's Star Rune is overpowered and she could wipe out Alenia rather easily.

If you have Jeane and Viki, you might want to throw them into Kyle's party, along with Richard (if you have him), it will make things much easier.

Just place some strong fighters in your party, preferable with some good runes that deal nice damage (Fire or Lightning).
True Rune
I don't remember having too much difficulty with any of them. >_> But I magic zerged alot of fights.
Pesmerga
QUOTE (yes @ Dec 27 2006, 09:02 PM) *
To be more specific:

1st:
Roy
Zerase
Random
Random
Random
Random

2nd:
Kyle
Viki
Jeane
Richard
Random
Random

3rd:
The Prince
Lyon
Minakis
Sialeeds
Random
Random


Anywhere it says Random, it does not matter what character you choose, just choose some with equipment and sharpen their weapon if you haven't done so before. Weapon lvl 7/8 should be fine and don't spend too much money on equipment either.

Kyle's fight is the hardest and after that it is the Prince's fight, but you have Miakis, Lyon and Sialeeds already and Sialeeds can bestow magic on them, you might want to put another mage in there with some other magic to cast even more.
Valince
For some reason or another, character placement is overlooked when it comes to this battle.

1. Front Row
2. Middle Front Row
3. Right Front Row
4. Left Back Row
5. Middle Back Row
6. Right Back Row

Example

1.Prince
2.Richard
3.Georg
4. Sialeeds
5. Zerase
6. Lorelai

DO NOT just stuff members in slots without proper order. The game will not let you rearrange your party order during these battles. Meaning if you place your healers in the front, they will be stuck there during the boss battle.
LagunaWannabe
Shion makes an excellent point.

But yes, with Zerase and Roy i'd put one strong fighter in there just to help add lots of damage

Put lots of great characters in Kyle's group because his battle is probably the toughest

And with Lyon/Prince in the last party, add some decent characters to beef it up
Pesmerga
Well, even though Shion's point is a good one, I kind of assumed he already knew that in the first place, hence I didn't mentioned it before.
But indeed, characterplacement is important, along with the formation aswell.
For example the Tiger formation gives +10 to ATK to the front row and +10 MGC to the backrow.
yes
Thank you all smile.gif

Seem like Ive a lazy boy and miss out on a lot of the characters I can find. Where do I get to find Georg again?
Anyway, Euram said that he was hiding in Haud Village, I went there, but I didnt find him, is there any point in meeting with him?

More Important, Im now going to visit Dragon Cavalry, I dont know where this is, and all they tell me is that its far western of Doraat :S When I go to the west, I am only meet bushes and doesnt get furter sad.gif Where do I go?

Thanks again for helping me.
Sydra
You need to take a boat to Port Spinacks, exit via the east, go south and you'll find Sauronix Castle.

To meet Euram you need to go there with a party of three or less or alone. I forgot which.

Georg is a on and off member of your group, just make sure you are nice to him if you want to join your 108 stars.
yes
Ok, thanks.

Im now in the forest, and stuck. Is there someway I can get a clue where the Ruins are?
Pesmerga
In what forest are you?
If it is the forest you have to go to, to find more information about the Dawn/Twilight Rune, then all I can say is you have to try hard.

It is a very annoying dungeon, with no real pathes and lots of dead ends. My advise would be to look on the map on gamefaqs.com, it is the easiest way to that forest.
yes
Yeah, I got that map now, I hope it will help me.
Rubedo
You should as have somebody to replace Sialeeds during the battle or she'll steal some valueable EXP and PP points. Also if you'll like me, and don't use Sialeeds alot.

Reason is after the 3rd fight and I wouldn't spoil it much but afterwards, Sialeeds will walk out of the building for the rest of the play.
Ashton
Once I had more than 6 characters Sialeeds was out of my party for good! My first play through I kept her in thinking she was a SoD, then ended up with quite the lost cause on my hands. I replayed S5 twice and each time I usually permanently got rid of Sialeeds for Zerase, or even Lun and/or Kisara.
Flame
QUOTE (Ashton @ Jan 22 2007, 03:33 PM) *
Once I had more than 6 characters Sialeeds was out of my party for good! My first play through I kept her in thinking she was a SoD, then ended up with quite the lost cause on my hands. I replayed S5 twice and each time I usually permanently got rid of Sialeeds for Zerase, or even Lun and/or Kisara.


I was always quite certain Sialeeds was going to die or become incompasitated. I didn't think she would betray the group until I saw her together with Dolph... but I was quite certain SOMETHING was going to happen to her. I didn't like her in my battle party much anyway, and there is a character later on who uses her weapon and has simular stats (I belive her attack stat is a little high but magic a little lower) but doesn't have the Wind Rune Glued onto her. I was glad when I could finally change party members and get rid of her.

Anyway, straight away there are better characters then her... such as cornelia (or whatever the music man is called) who has a brilliant magic stat and you can then catch some of those musical imps who are quite usful at the very beginning of the game because of their naturally high Defence stat...
Pesmerga
The DoReMi Elves. They are extremely weak in Suikoden V. Considering they were annoying in Suikoden II, I was expecting a bit more from them.
Also, I believe you meant Sharmista, Flame. Yeah, I like her aswell =).
Flame
At the beginning of the game the DoReMi elves work as great filler once you get their level up a little bit. They should be dropped as soon as other characters with decent attacks join, but for a while you don't have many options and they work well in the front row. I think they can serve a use, which is more than some of the other characters (Like the puppet woman...)

I didn't really think much of sharmista, she can probably be a good character but because she joins so late and has very little personality I just don't really want to use her, which is a shame because I think her weapon is cool. It's the same with Faylen (the girl... not the fat one) who was a really cool character with a weapon I liked but without the stats to really back her up.
Pesmerga
I was talking about the enemies more than the recruitable elves. They recruitable ones are fairly good in the beginning of the game when you only have a few characters.

Also, I liked Sharmista's design, it looks pretty neat in my opinion and I used her a little bit. She has nice overall stats, so she is not entirely useful. I think she can be quite handy, just didn't used her enough yet.

I am working on Cathari at the moment, cause I liked her and she is the Clive of this game, considering she comes from the Howling Voice Guild. Her stats are nice and some of them are higher than Frey. Too bad she lacks any magical power, but she makes up for it in Strength.
yes
I need some help again. I've now come to the part where Im going to see the Dragon Cavalry, and we're taking the mine way, with Wabon and Gunny. But all Miakis says when I turn to her is "A...a mining cart?" So I dont know what to do, where I go so that Wabon tells me the way?
PAL RPGamer
QUOTE (yes @ Feb 17 2007, 11:15 PM) *
I need some help again. I've now come to the part where Im going to see the Dragon Cavalry, and we're taking the mine way, with Wabon and Gunny. But all Miakis says when I turn to her is "A...a mining cart?" So I dont know what to do, where I go so that Wabon tells me the way?


I'm guessing your still in the Dwarf Camp, and have just been told you can use the mining carts. If thats the case you need to the far right of the screen (right near the bottom) and you should see a cart/track that looks just to be part of the scenery, i can't remember if you just walk up to it or you have to press a button but that should do it!
yes
hmm at the place Wabon joins you? you know over the bridge?
PAL RPGamer
QUOTE (yes @ Feb 17 2007, 11:31 PM) *
hmm at the place Wabon joins you? you know over the bridge?


Yeah that's the place right at the bottom right of the screen, just to the right of the tent in the foreground. That is the place your stuck right?
yes
Yeah ok, thanks, Ill check this out.
yes
Thanks for the help!

*Cough cough*

anyway, I need help AGAIN. Now in the dragon laior. Meeting with the four Nether Gate Assassins, and the dragon cavalry sucks, Rahal and Roog are no good, I thought they would be okay at level 45, maybe I need to forge their weapons? I understand that the key to win is by the Prince staying alive, but it seems impossible sad.gif
PAL RPGamer
QUOTE (yes @ Feb 18 2007, 01:55 AM) *
Thanks for the help!

*Cough cough*

anyway, I need help AGAIN. Now in the dragon laior. Meeting with the four Nether Gate Assassins, and the dragon cavalry sucks, Rahal and Roog are no good, I thought they would be okay at level 45, maybe I need to forge their weapons? I understand that the key to win is by the Prince staying alive, but it seems impossible sad.gif


Who else have you got on your team at the moment? I had a bit of problem with this one too as i'd kept all the the dragon cavalry too, luckily i'd upgraded their weapons just a bit. It's difficult to give advise not knowing who else is involved, i had Kyle to take a lot of the damage (at the front of the tiger tactic formation) and Viki to heal and deal major damage.

If you've got a decent mage with you with one of the more powerful runes it can make this one a lot easier.

If your trying to keep your prince alive to last out the fight, it might be an idea to keep him away from the front line and try and use a formation that boosts your defensive (circle tactic) or your attack (True Men Tactic formation skill packs a punch but it'll leave you vulnerable to attack - so this may be inadvisable if you've got some weaker members in your team so try the Arrowstance Tactic instead). The tiger tactic works well if you've got a character with high defence and HP (like i did with Kyle), just keep them on their feet and others should be left alone.
yes
QUOTE (PAL RPGamer @ Feb 18 2007, 01:45 AM) *
QUOTE (yes @ Feb 18 2007, 01:55 AM) *
Thanks for the help!

*Cough cough*

anyway, I need help AGAIN. Now in the dragon laior. Meeting with the four Nether Gate Assassins, and the dragon cavalry sucks, Rahal and Roog are no good, I thought they would be okay at level 45, maybe I need to forge their weapons? I understand that the key to win is by the Prince staying alive, but it seems impossible sad.gif


Who else have you got on your team at the moment? I had a bit of problem with this one too as i'd kept all the the dragon cavalry too, luckily i'd upgraded their weapons just a bit. It's difficult to give advise not knowing who else is involved, i had Kyle to take a lot of the damage (at the front of the tiger tactic formation) and Viki to heal and deal major damage.

If you've got a decent mage with you with one of the more powerful runes it can make this one a lot easier.

If your trying to keep your prince alive to last out the fight, it might be an idea to keep him away from the front line and try and use a formation that boosts your defensive (circle tactic) or your attack (True Men Tactic formation skill packs a punch but it'll leave you vulnerable to attack - so this may be inadvisable if you've got some weaker members in your team so try the Arrowstance Tactic instead). The tiger tactic works well if you've got a character with high defence and HP (like i did with Kyle), just keep them on their feet and others should be left alone.


I got one space left empty in my party (I was so excited on what would happen next, so I forgot to take with me someone). I think it would be smart to take with me Kyle. Forge some weapons and train up Rahal and Roog some levels. Boring but nessecary dry.gif
PAL RPGamer
Ah wasn't sure if you could actually go back to your base at that point, i thought you might have been stuck with the characters that you had with you, just ignore pretty much all the last post then it's probably just a load of crap! I think the weapon forging is a must it always comes in handy if you decide to use the characters again, by the end of the game i had about 20 characters to fall back on, all fully trained.

Good luck with the battle though the best are yet to come!
yes
QUOTE (PAL RPGamer @ Feb 18 2007, 12:17 PM) *
Ah wasn't sure if you could actually go back to your base at that point, i thought you might have been stuck with the characters that you had with you, just ignore pretty much all the last post then it's probably just a load of crap! I think the weapon forging is a must it always comes in handy if you decide to use the characters again, by the end of the game i had about 20 characters to fall back on, all fully trained.

Good luck with the battle though the best are yet to come!


Sweet, I hope I can beat this game haha.gif
Eventhough I must say that I doubt I will do it soon, school again tomorrow and next friday FFXII is finally dropping here haha.gif so I'll rather use my time on that since the new battle system seems awesome. happy.gif
Pesmerga
Remember this yes: ALWAYS forge the weapons of newly acquired characters in Suikoden V. They will always be level 1 and that is quite annoying. Also, always look at their equipment before engaging in battles.

Roog and Rahal are quite strong characters and can deal quite some physical damage, I never used the dragons and Kyle though.
PAL RPGamer
QUOTE (_Pesmerga_ @ Feb 20 2007, 12:52 AM) *
Remember this yes: ALWAYS forge the weapons of newly acquired characters in Suikoden V. They will always be level 1 and that is quite annoying. Also, always look at their equipment before engaging in battles.

Roog and Rahal are quite strong characters and can deal quite some physical damage, I never used the dragons and Kyle though.


The dragons aren't too bad though they can take a hammering quite quickly if you don't keep an eye on them! Kyle can be one of the best characters in the game equipped with the right runes - the counter orb and either the drain orb(equip this when you first start using him as his defence is a bit weak to start off with) or the Killer Orb. Put him at the front of the Tiger Tactic formation and he'll do some serious damage!
yes
Oooh! So I've managed to get a lot further in the game. Now I'm suppose to attack Stormfist. *Shivers* I'm sure this won't be easy thatsuck.gif
Pesmerga
I know Kyle can be quite good, I have used him quite alot.
The only problem is that he is outclassed by many characters. Also, for cheap tatctics: Use the Tiger Tactic plus Richard on front including a Killer Rune and his epics maxed.
PAL RPGamer
QUOTE (_Pesmerga_ @ Feb 21 2007, 11:57 PM) *
I know Kyle can be quite good, I have used him quite alot.
The only problem is that he is outclassed by many characters. Also, for cheap tatctics: Use the Tiger Tactic plus Richard on front including a Killer Rune and his epics maxed.


Used Richard a bit through the latter parts of the game after leveling him up a bit, preferred Belcoot but he could be a bit slow at times, team the pair of them up and things are a lot easier!

As for the battle at Stormfist all i can recommend is try and draw them to you a couple of units at a time, if you go all out on them you can quickly become overwhelmed. Take it slowly and plan ahead and it should go fine, though make sure you have some units with long range attacks to drive off enemy units should they come at you all at once - thank god for the Catapult skill that's all i'll say!
yes
QUOTE (PAL RPGamer @ Feb 22 2007, 01:20 AM) *
QUOTE (_Pesmerga_ @ Feb 21 2007, 11:57 PM) *
I know Kyle can be quite good, I have used him quite alot.
The only problem is that he is outclassed by many characters. Also, for cheap tatctics: Use the Tiger Tactic plus Richard on front including a Killer Rune and his epics maxed.


Used Richard a bit through the latter parts of the game after leveling him up a bit, preferred Belcoot but he could be a bit slow at times, team the pair of them up and things are a lot easier!

As for the battle at Stormfist all i can recommend is try and draw them to you a couple of units at a time, if you go all out on them you can quickly become overwhelmed. Take it slowly and plan ahead and it should go fine, though make sure you have some units with long range attacks to drive off enemy units should they come at you all at once - thank god for the Catapult skill that's all i'll say!


Ok, I did the same when I retook Sable, Only I still haven't figured out how to make my archers shoot from long distance....
PAL RPGamer
QUOTE (yes @ Feb 22 2007, 12:30 PM) *
QUOTE (PAL RPGamer @ Feb 22 2007, 01:20 AM) *
QUOTE (_Pesmerga_ @ Feb 21 2007, 11:57 PM) *
I know Kyle can be quite good, I have used him quite alot.
The only problem is that he is outclassed by many characters. Also, for cheap tatctics: Use the Tiger Tactic plus Richard on front including a Killer Rune and his epics maxed.


Used Richard a bit through the latter parts of the game after leveling him up a bit, preferred Belcoot but he could be a bit slow at times, team the pair of them up and things are a lot easier!

As for the battle at Stormfist all i can recommend is try and draw them to you a couple of units at a time, if you go all out on them you can quickly become overwhelmed. Take it slowly and plan ahead and it should go fine, though make sure you have some units with long range attacks to drive off enemy units should they come at you all at once - thank god for the Catapult skill that's all i'll say!


Ok, I did the same when I retook Sable, Only I still haven't figured out how to make my archers shoot from long distance....


Im pretty certain that you can only use long range attacks in the form of barrage/catapult and the rune attacks (Thunder, Rage, etc) so you've got to use them sparingly as you've only got a very limited number!
Take along a few healers in this battle - you'll need them. Zerase's Star and the Hero's Dawn and come in handy here for doing major damage and healing - but save them for towards the end of the battle, but don't forget about them - i did this in this battle until it was too late and ened up getting my only non Victory+ win.
Crimcon-Knight
with the fight with the 3 knights i thought it was quite easy. i beat most of them in the first attacking phase. the same with saileeds and the 3 last battles before the final boss. actually i found the whole game a bit easy. but none the less it was a good game.
Georg-the-Great
It really depends on who you've levelled up and frequently use. My parties were

1st:
Roy
Zerase
Dinn
Genoh
Levi

2nd:
Kyle
Belcoot
Byakuren
Logg
Lun


3rd:
The Prince
Lyon
Minakis
Sialeeds
Nakula
Nikea
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