*Chapter 343 Spoilers*

Very good chapter. Things are getting very interesting.



Sakura is going to help Naruto eat since he hurt his right hand.



Then Sai steps in, as the true friend he is. At least he read so in a book. XD

And a very interesting scene with Orochimaru.





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Wel I honestly didn't expect to see this. But there's still a possibility that this is some sort of test, or Kabuto using a transformation. But it's most likely Sasuke given Kabuto's reaction right after he left the room. I can't imagine what will happen next, but if Kabuto comes to Orochimaru's rescue I doubt there is much he can do to stop Sasuke.

Heh I kinda expected this. You don't think Sasuke will just let Orochimaru take his body like that do you. I don't think Orochimaru will be killed of that easily. Even if it IS a clone or some sort of technique I'm pretty sure Sasuke's sharingan will see through it before he attacks. He isn't that careless.

Well actually yeah I did. Why wouldn't I? He showed no signs before of betraying him. On the contrary he confirmed to Naruto flat out that he would give his body if that's what it takes to kill Itachi. If he planed on fooling Orochimaru then he could have told Naruto from the beginning, and that way Naruto and Sakura wouldn't risk their lives stopping him from doing something he had no intetion of doing in the first place.
And if this is true then there's no immediate hurry to get Sasuke back either. The main problem and a huge part of the new plot is actually gone, so surely you didn't actually expect that to happen did you?

What about all the buildup for the "rescue Sasuke"? It's gone just like that? He won't be a threat to Konoha anymore, thus there won't be any "official" missions for retrieving him. If he wants to live on his own out in the world (not with Orochimaru) then he is free to do so.

So no, I didn't expect that.

In order to fool the enemy. First you must fool his companions =). lol

But yeah I see your point.

I'm still thinking there might be something more to the scene. We'll see what happens. Maybe Orochimaru is testing Kabuto's loyalty or something? But then again, he seemed surprised to see the chakra blade. Who knows, but to me it seems odd if this story arch would end all of a sudden.

Oooh...this new forum skin is all kewl and stuff.

Like the new manga.

I think there's more to this scene, otherwise, I would puke! I could have written a plot better than that then....

So there's probably more, but we still don't know it.

Hehe, maybe Yondaime will come back in Akatsuki robes, reveal that he is Naruto's father, that he is Akatsuki's leader, take off his wig to show his blond hair, and this is to much sarcasm even for me.

No the latest and next chapter

I am a little surprised that they are having this fight so soon on, feels a little to early to remove Orochimaru so we will have to see how that goes. I would also like to finally know a bit more about Kabuto the constant hinting that he is up to some thing, and the red eye thing he had going on back in the chunin exam. Always annoyed me how much hinting we get with no answers at all. Also we get to see Orochimaru's true form in the next chapter http://i18.tinypic.com/2n8uarn.jpg a little odd

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Cools stuff Worsle. I think that Kabuto thing won't come into play until perhapos he betrayes Orochimaru. But I didn't think the fight with Orochimaru now would become so serious. Hope it's translated soon.


Naruto Shippuuden 04 already is out on Sayaman. Should be subbed in a few hours.

It's actually next week that will be Naruto-less, until the 15th of March to be exact.

The 345 Manga came out, and is translated. Next week is another episode yay!

I have never read a single page of Naruto manga and I think episode 5 sucked balls.

The fight was okay to watch for a while, but I can only watch that bird fly around for so many hours before I want something--anything to happen. It was like watching baseball and either the batter kept stepping out of the box or the pitcher kept throwing to first base...for like like 3 days.

Oh, and watch the last two episodes and try to count how many times someone looks mystically into the sky and just says "...Gaara..."
It's no less than 67.

This episode was filler cleverly disguised as progress.

Off topic, but Bomb's from the same state as me. Just realized that.

Anyway, the lack of sound and movement is what bothers me in Manga. In anime, it moves really slow (how long were Gaara and Deidara just looking at each other thinking how good they were?)

When I first saw Deidara, I thought he was a strange Ino alter ego. But I was wrong. At least in the Anime you can tell he's not a women.

I don't think the manga lacks movement, Kishimoto has drawn it flexible and to me, it looks natural. It just lack music and voices. I'm a manga > anime fanboy, so excuse myself. =p

I finally able to catch up the manga, to tell you the truth the thought of Sasuke would betray Orochimaru never crossed my mind, not even once. At least not before he killed Itachi. >.>;

I should have said animation (constant movement). I like that better.

I miss the good ol' days, back when I still hadn't finished the rest of Naruto...sigh...I could go through episodes all the time.

Oh well, now I'm watching Ghost in the Shell again.

Well 05 wasn't bad, but I guess it wasn't as exciting as the previous episodes.
But I don't mind that they're drawing things out and adding new scenes. (The part where Gaara talks about working hard to become Kazekage shows that he wasn't simply picked to replace his father, and that he actually worked hard to earn it.)
Like Bomb said, they show the townspeople looking up at the battle a lot. Far more than in the manga where I think the whole thing was over in just a few pages. But it shows that the townspeople really had a big change of heart when it comes to Gaara, and for one specific reason I think it's good that they show this right now.
Because this may be Gaara's very last battle in the series. I still don't know how that will turn out, but in any case we won't be seeing him fight again for a very long time ahead.
So no, I don't mind the extended battle.


Yeah, did you read the latest chapter? It looks like Sasuke is "taking over". I didn't expect that to happen either.

It actually makes sense, Sasuke would kill Orochimaru so that he keeps his free will, and from the looks of it, is freeing people. He could then use them to oppose Akatsuki, and kill Itachi, all the while maintaining control of himself. But there's also the possibility that he'll just leave, and go out on his own. Shikamaru would be better suited to lead something like that. Sasuke's personality and intellect is focused poorly for leading an army of Ninja.

Still doesn't make sense to me. If that is what he wanted all along, then why would he tell Naruto and the others that he'll give his body away to Orochimaru? If he would have told them the truth then Konoha would not have seen Sasuke as a potential threat to them, and wouldn't send out Shinobi to bring him back. All that Naruto does by showing up is interfearing with his plans as it is now. And if Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru, then that also comes as a surprise to me. Obviously the series suggested that he wouldn't be, otherwise he wouldn't have thought of giving his body away.

One possibility is that he is getting revenge on Orochimaru for killing the Third. But that's weak at best, so i wouldn't count on it.

Perhaps he thought Orochimaru was getting in the way, so he decided to take him down.

What I think is that Orochimaru will come back later, and that he isn't really dead. I find it hard to believe that Sasuke could really defeat Orochimaru in his own realm. I think he might be supressing him, and Orochi would come back later and cause Sasuke to go mad for a bit. Just thinkin.

I feel bad for the people who watch the dubbed stuff, their missing out on so much storyline. And better voices.

Well that Sasuke would feel this way is what comes as a surprise to most people. Pretty unexpected given everything said and done prior to that event.

I also don't think that Orochimaru is dead. Question is if he is actually inside of Sasuke and only pretending for some reason. But even if he isn't it's pretty safe to assume that Orochimaru is alive given the way he died. We didn't even get to see how he died. And since he is the main villain of the series I find it very odd that they'd give much more development to the death of a character like Azuma and basically nothing for Orochimaru. Not a chance.

On that note, the "death" of the Fourth Hokage (yellow flash) still looks as suspicious as it did at the beginning of the series.

I agree. What I think is that Orochimaru is sorta seal inside Sasuke like with the nine tails in Naruto. I mean we all sore it him frozen/trapped in that goo like thing right? You can bet to see him interfering in the future chapters.

As for Sasuke getting rid of Orochimaru. Didn't Sasuke state that Orochimaru had nothing left to teach him thats why he killed him off?

Yeah the death is really strange. At first it made sense but then the third mentions his technique is the one the fourth used which is what confuse me.

Yeah that was the unexpected part.

The Fourth used the Death Seal thingy to put Kyuubi in Naruto. However, the Fourth was a genius, so I find it hard to believe that he would be dead just like that. I'd be pretty certain that a storyline involving the Fourth will come up later in the series. Though whether or not he's the Akatsuki leader is....not exactly based on solid ground. Just because they both have spikey hair doesn't mean they're the same person. Next your going to say that Sasuke and Itachi are the same because they have the same last name.

I don't really think any of that is a spoiler.

Incidentally, Akatsuki members (at least Itachi and Kisama) can use host bodies and control them completely. If the fourth used this when he sealed the Kyuubi, then the body he used would have died in his stead. But it could just be nothing more than what we saw, and he really is dead. But a story involving him is sure to be included some time later. If he really is dead then I expect to see a more detailed scene of his fight with the kyuubi. All we saw was a shadow, and nothing about what happened.

Since the creator could just twist the story as much as he liked, probably my point of view here would be nothing. But I'm just itching to say this. lol

The Dead Demon Consuming Seal can only be used if you offer your soul for exchange. So even if The Fourth was a genius, he would still die from performing this jutsu. Unless someone can use that ressurection justu which only that Granny from Suna can do the Jutsu, he could survive. Yeah, "ONLY" the Granny herself, because she invented the jutsu and I believe she doesn't teach anyone yet...So it's impossible, but read my first paragraph. lol

What if he offered the soul of the body he was controlling? XD
Remember when Naruto fights Itachi the second time, with Sakura and Kakashi? He looks just like Itachi but after he was beaten it revealed that they were fighting someone else all along that Itachi was controling. Kisame did the same..

=p
I'm wondering if this extremely powerful Jutsu(The Dead Demon Consuming Seal) can be done with a cheap trick like this. I understand if you control the dude only to learn enemy skills and act as decoy, but doing this level of Jutsu... even sharingan... Man.... Then 3rd could just use other's body to seal away Orochimaru. He died in vain. =(

Yeah, that was complete funny to me. Was the Kisara dude able to use the "Sharingan", even if he's not an "Uchiha" ? O.o;;; Wow I gotta nominate this as the most powerful Jutsu then. Control a body, go hide somewhere and beat the enemy with this body you controlled, you can still release 70-80% of your power, and use your bloodline Jutsu as well. O.o;;;

Yeah Itachi did use the Mangekyou Sharingan. Even the Tsukiyomi jutsu, while using the host body to perform all this, so I can't rule out the possibility of using the demon consuming seal either.

Better look at Akatsuki's leader.

Oh man, totally the 4th, totally

Totally

Lol! Yeah those Spoilers in that other thread were true. Man I wonder what trouble will stur up now.

I do have a feeling he, Akatsuki's leader, might be a person we all know, but it could just be a character we don't know. Still, didn't the leader have red hair? So, not sure he's a person we know and just might be a different character all together.

Well, we got a quick look at Hidan and Kakuzu. Obviously, one member yet to be in the organization yet. The other member yet to even be revealed. That blue hair character.

I have come to the conclusion that the Akatsuki leader is no one we know and the whole hiding his face the face thing is just to annoy every one and make them come up with silly theories.

Also I am pretty sure that fancy ablity to control other people bodies and make them into clones of your self was the Akatsuki leaders ablity, can't be bothered searching though the manga to find out though. I also believe every thing in relation to Orochimaru was explained fairly well even if it was far to sudden.

I have concluded that hiks and wondeful were being wonderfully sarcastic.

It sort of looks like the 4th. . . But what was with the holograms of themselves. It was weird. And how they were actually able to perform the the Sealing Tecnique of Gaara's Shukaku-Jinchuriki chakra. I'm surprised we got some Akatsuki stuff revealed by episode 10, but then again if we consider the fillers we had to go through with Naruto I, then it's pretty common sense why.

He's not the 4th. thats all i have to say on this matter. there are obvious differences.

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Who do you think will get there first, team kakashi, or team Hebi?

Which one are you refering to? Most of them sound equally terrible to me so it's hard toi tell. =/


Well normally I'd say the hero makes a late entrance, but I think that would make Sasuke's appearance less anti climactic. Then again if Sasuke gets there first he'll get a chance to talk to Itachi, so I'm not sure.

Either way, I think this is the beginning of the end for Itachi. That "a storm is coming" is a bad omen, and I don't think he'll stand much of a chance against all of them. But it's not impossible that he pulls off some Aizen behaviour and surprises everyone. But I'm looking forward to seeing him fight for real for the first time.

Well these are the main charicters so they are meant to be above average but after you take that into account there is almost a good reason. Early on Naruto was being sent on crappy missions, then they get tricked into the never ending Zabuza after that we have the chunin exam and with that Orochimaru's attack and that is meant to have done a lot of damage to leaf not that you would know as they did not really kill people that mattered, but any way. After that Leaf is meant to be on full stretch they don't have many people left lying around. The team to stop Sasuke from leaving was basicly the only people lying around because they are young so they are not constantly going on missions to earn money and fix up all the damage. Same goes with the Akatsuki they sent out who they had, team Gai was only just back from an other mission. Though when they where making a more organised move against Akatsuki they sent out a lot more people, all random who we will see next to nothing about but still, that and people like Irika would die the moment they got near a mission I mean Naruto could have beat him up from the end of the first episode.

However I want to see what some of the other teams are up to, it was nice to see Shikamaru get so much time of late as he is the best charicter (and one of the few minor ones who does not seem to have vanished), but we have seen next to nothing of team 8. Even if Naruto is the star (though he is a much better charicter these days) I want to see some of the other people get some time to them selves i mean its been nice to see Sasuke again but still I want to see some of the other charicters after this.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with your post, maybe you didn't understand mine. The point was that they don't seem to have anyone else, before those 12 year olds graduated at the beginning of the series.
But what about the kids from the year before that? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before? *repeat for 20 - 30 years*
Theres a big gap of people missing as if nothing happened after Iruka and co, and no shinobi graduated from the academy for over 20 years until Naruto's group did.
And they even show the next group of kids becoming Shinobi (Konohamaru) so why can't they do the same with the kids who graduated before Naruto and co? It's like they don't exist, and they obviously don't or it wouldn't be "those kids" that they send out every single time.

Orochimaru's attack attack killed of every one who would get screen time instead of Naruto that is the point. They need money so teams are meant to be constantly out there doing stuff with little to nothing in the way of down time.

Naruto has only had 3 major missions in the manga any way, the Zabuza mission they where tricked into and was meant to be a boring walk this old guy scare of any bandits mission. The rescue Sasuke mission was meant to be an emergence, the logic behind it is still a little shaky but still it works. Then they have Gara mission and that was an emergency sent the first people who come to hand deal, and its not like they are unqualified by this stage.

You mean that 20 - 30 years worth of class graduates all died from Orochimaru's attack? I doubt that.
If Konoha's force was reduced by thousands of capable ninja you'd think we'd hear about it. Why would everyone from Naruto's graduate year survive and everyone else die? And that scene wasn't portrayed as an explanation to why we haven't seen those characters nor that they died there.
It's not hard to make up a few and show us for just one or two episodes. They came up with a lot of new characters in the fillers so I see no reason not to in the main series.

The truth is it was a sloppy written background story. Those other Shinobi don't exist, and there's no beliavable scenario as to why they have never been shown, let alone where they're supposed to be now, because many of them had to be involved in a lot of important missions over the years, or Konoha would basically have been defenseless before Naruto graduated. They just didn't think that far when they started the series. Time stood still for about 20 - 30 years.

Konoha has thousands of ninja? They seemed to be more like a few hundred, that and clearly more than 2 people died they where talking about how badly the attack had damaged it and had left them unable to defend their country properly if attacked. Sure it is all far to Naruto centric and main charicters are all but invincible but it is an explanation, and Naruto still has not gone on that many missions really think back to how many he has been on he is the main charicter too.

The real problem is that since the directors decided that Naruto and his graduating class would be the main characters, they want everything to be focused on them. They want everything to revolve around them. If we saw other Genin, Chuunin, and Jounin teams fighting regularly with their unique fighting styles and jutsus, some people would lose interest in Naruto and his group because they're just kids.

Thats why the Genin from Konoha and the Sand (Gaara's group) are the only ones with distinct clothes, fighting styles, and jutsus. Because they would seem less interesting if we saw so many other ninjas fighting the same way, or better. So they make it seem like Naruto and the other kids are the only ones that matter, by not showing anyone else--not even their team leaders.

The main thing I wish they did in Naruto was that they tried to flesh out the story and characters in the context of other missions. But the way they introduced the Genin and their relations to the village was more of a half-assed way by doing in in the context of the Chuunin Exam tournament (the same one that took over 50 friggin episodes to finish). I wish we actually got to see the Inuzuka, Hyuuga and Aburame clans in action as well as the other ninjas that were introduced, like Ibiki, Anko, and the other chuunins and Jounins that we only saw glimpses of so far. But this is all a result of the directors wanting everything to revolve around Naruto and the other kids.

Uhh, yeah. Every class seemed to have at least 30 or so students. Not to mention the fact that there were obviously several classes since not everyone was in Naruto's. So that's at least 60 students, and most likely there are more than just two classes per year. But anyway, multiply that number to the number of years missing before Naruto graduated to Iruka's generation and it's easily over a thousand.


And yet they only showed remorse for the 3rd and Hayate. No one lost a sibling, friend or family member? Give me a break. As if those 1000's of ninjas didn't have any ties to anyone else in the series. Oh yeah, not to mention that exactly all of them were wiped out while miraculously everyone from this years graduate team and their team leaders survived. Talk about the biggest coincidence ever. Every team created for the past 20 - 30 years died in that attack, but everyone from this year survived. Sounds more like the beginning of a Japanese horror movie.
That's a really far fetched and lame excuse to cover up what is obviously a huge plot hole in the series.

Only 9 of them from Naruto's year made it to the lowest rank of ninja and they are meant to be an great year. Gai's team could be the only one that made it from there year, would make sense of why they are the only ones going for the exam. The chunin exam its self can't have that high a pass rate but people do get to do it time after time so that is not so bad but still thousands is not right at all. That and how is ninja town of several thousand meant to be brought to the ground by a a hundred or so sound ninjas? And how do a you have an attack like that and only loose 2 people?

I have already mentioned the fact the main charicters are all but invincible that aura is extended to what family they have but they are mostly unimportant so don't appear much any way. We did see the Hinata, Kiba, Choji, Shikamaru, and Ino's parents are all top level ninja and the rest have not shown up ever. Sure its not realistic, what are are you expecting? None of it is realistic. Really has Sukura's parents ever shown up at all? What would be the point of having them on screen just to die, that and we have enough angst with Sasuke and Naruto I don't need an other one. Rock Lee is even worse, he make no mention of being an orphan but has all but been adopted by Gai and the two of them are not meant to be connected at all.

Really I am not sure what you are epecting them to do? Introduce a whole punch of pointless charicters then kill them all off? The 3rd is the only one we see that much remorse over at all and I took his funeral to be one standing for the all the remorse.

Well regardless of the exact numbers of ninja, there are, or rather "should be" plenty of them. And they don't even have to pass the Chuunin exam to be sent out on missions. Naruto is an example of that, but obviously new Chuunins should have been created every year.


Why die? Why not just show them and let them live like Chouji and Shikamaru's parents/family? Anyway, that's another discussion.


I don't expect them to die at all. That was your idea, remember? I expect them to show us at least one Shinobi or one team from a previous year, but they can't even do that. There's no excuse for that. Just lazy.

Going on Elazul's point on how it would make the main characters less interesting if they show a lot of these other shinobi, well they don't have to show a lot of them. Just once or twice would do, just to aknowledge that they even exist. But seeing generic ninjas now and then wouldn't hurt. It was done in the fillers, so I don't see why it can't be done in the series. It just completely avoided to the point where it's gotten extremely obvious.

I'll just go with, not every previous ninja became a chunin. and they were all there, and got killed off by orichi/garra/failed the written test, and because they are not special like naruto, stuck with D and C missions.

EVen Tsunade said naruto should not be given the A missions he is getting, but they "need whoever they can find"

Yeah, but that still doesn't explain why they never bothered to even show us the other Genins, Chuunins, and Jounins in the series besides the few main characters. Yet we see Sakura, Shikamaru, and the others in missions all the time.

The point is they should include the other ninjas in the village as well, and we should be able to get glimpses of their fighting styles and techniques. The way it is now, its as if Naruto and co. are the only capable ninjas in the village. That's something that's kinda annoyed me for as long as I've been watching the series--everything that happens is centered around them, yet we never see the non-Team Leader Jounins and Chuunins fight or participate in missions. Heck, we barely see the Team Leaders fight as it is. Even some of the Genin have only gotten 1 or 2 fights at most up until now.

I understand that Naruto and co. are the main characters, but trying to elevate them as important characters by giving all the other ninjas in the village zero screentime and showing them off as generic pushovers doesnt make much sense at all.

OH OH OH

THEY DID SHOW ALOT OF THEM *nods*


Remember the 3rds funeral!!!!!


/endnoobish remarks.

But, there have been a few times when a vast has been shown, their techniques and such no. but we missed out on what could have been =[


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The third Naruto movie has been subbed by Dattebayo.

I have that issue with Naruto as well, although it's more towards the first part.

Honestly, Naruto (at least then) wasn't that amazing. He had Kyuubi, and Rasengan, but he wasn't even close to a Jounin. And yet he was sent on all these crazy hard missions, and the Jounin stayed home and masturbated like wild monkeys (well...maybe not that).

Okay, you COULD explain that it was all misunderstood missions that were alot harder than they appeared. But come on, that shouldn't be a problem for a MAJOR NINJA VILLAGE!!!!!

They're freakin Ninja man, they need intelligence data to operate! How do you miss so many obvious missions! They honestly give these kids A-rank missions all the time, and the Jounin stay home! Like WTF???

Noobiness complete.