Really now, she just didn't hit it off very well when compared with the other Xeno villains(to be fair though, no one can touch Albedo, so he's omit from this). She's good at talking ##### but that's all + plus she got owned by KOS-MOS v4. I would have like to see a rematch from the first fight in a more standoffish matter. Not OMG I'M GONNA WHIP OUT MY OWN VERSION OF THE KAMEHAMEHA AND ONE HIT KILL j00.


Btw, my game was scratched and the cutscene where Telos supposedly breaks KOS-MOS v3 apart was promptly froze and I never saw it >_>.

Then this thread is completely invalid. That fight pretty much proves how awesome a villain she is.

I dont like the girl but she is right.

T-Elos completely rips and humiliates Kos-Mos on that fight. It was almost sad but at the same time so magical you couldnt help but love the scene.

Hicks probably cried.

I disagree with this, I found those scenes to be cool. Another thing you kind of have to take into consideration is that T-elos could have been far more than she was if the series was the length it was supposed to be, her character would have been a lot better than it was. This goes for all the characters I think.

Considering V3 was an absolete product and thrown out by Vector. Yea she had no chance in hell. That fight in itself proved nothing. Yea it was cool but it could have been better if the playing field was even.

And I guess she's so awesome that Roth Mantel couldn't have her fight against Proto Omega, but instead lets send KOS-MOS out there. KOS-MOS Copy going out on a killing rampage - now that's what I'd like .

Vector technically weren't the ones who threw her out. The Federation did that, as they pulled the plug on the Kos-Mos project to begin with. Secondly, V3 wasn't obsolete. Far from it. T-elos was simply that much more powerful. And if you really think Kos-Mos stood a chance alone against Omega Res Domae, then... just remember it was practically the final boss in the previous game.

*Xenosaga II spoilers ahoy!*

In the way of strength, T-elos was among the best... but did I care for her character? Not really... Sometimes enemies can leave a long impression on you and a lot of the Xeno Villains did that... Even Orgulla who had almost no screen time. T-elos and Kevin were probably the two weakest characters in the third game (which is surprising considering just how big their role was... especially Kevin). She had a great set-up being that she was the body of Mary Magdeline and not only that, she wasn't entirely emotionless like KOS-MOS but aside from that one fighting scene with KOS-MOS she doesn't really shine out. Shion... You'd probably like her more if you watch that scene... but generally I think the development team could have done something much better with T-elos.

Oh good call. I remember that now about the Federation.

And no, I didn't think KOS-MOS could handle Omega. My point was that it would have been interesting to see T-elos go up against it. Instead they had her show all her good eye candy against weaksauce gnosis, while the "inferior" KOS-MOS gets to get stomped by a Mechanical Angel of DEATH.

On a side note. . . V3 outfit > V4. Just my opinion though.

That fight scene T-elos between KOS-MOS v3 to me felt like those Robocop movies where a new robo dood beats the crap out of Robocop because superior tech was used on the new dood so obviously Robocop loses round 1, but when Murphy got the tech improvement then the playing field was now even and the rest is history pretty much like what happened with T-elos.

Other than the revelation that she was the supposedly true vessel of blah blah blah and beating the crap out of KOS-MOS, I actually can't remember anything more important about her. T-elos may have had the power of being a villain, but then again I think she lacked the development to be a villain.

Being strong dosen't make you the best villain, at least last time I checked, dosen't mean I didn't think she was cool. But is it bad that I thought Shion was more badass in battle?

Well... that battle scene was pretty cool but i still think Albedo was a better villain. but battle scenes dont determine if the character is a good villain. yea she kicked ass, but that doesnt mean anything it only proves that she's a better fighter. Albedo played a Awsome role as villain, like the crazy lunatic, with power. i think that T-elos, had potential and it really didnt live up to it!

I thought it was about characterization and character development that makes a character good regardless whether they are the good guys or the bad guys. But I guess that is the more of a trend by people nowadays.



T-elos fell flat on her face when it came to delivering her part as a villain.

I just got through the third game just a few days ago, and T-elos is indeed a pretty weak villain, character wise. She really did have a great premise and a lot of potential, but the plot of the entire game never really gave her a chance to commit too much screen time. Considering all the arcs that Xenosaga III covers, it's hard to blame the creators for not being able to find too much find too much time for her.

I completely agree. Sure, she pulled off some nice moves and kicked KOS-MOS' cute behind with style, but that really doesn't make a good villain for me. I can't say I cared about her at all, she was just... there. =/

T-elos makes for great fight scenes with Kos-Mos. Some of the best FMVs or RPG moments. However, she is not that villianesque, which I'd say goes to someone more like Yuriev(liked that guy a lot) or Voyager.

Albedo is still the best Xenosaga villian IMO, along w/ Margulis. Those two were interesting throughout the whole series.
Although Pellegri finally got time to shine in XS3.

But T-elos is a weak villian when compared to those people, she doesn't that evil enough or that interesting either.

She served her purpose.

She sounded evil, looked evil and fought the good guys.

She's like Richard and Hermen except...well, I just found her more attractive.

That pretty much sums it up.

She's also like Orgulla, except she has a bit more screentime. And yet, Orgulla who has only a few lines of dialogue, struck me as a much more interesting character. Point being that even with little screentime a character can be good, but T-elos didn't do it for me. She was pretty much just there, she had no cool split personality issues or anything. =p

I was pissed off about Orgulla. I mean, why introduce a character like that if you are never going to take the time to do anything with her? It's just another mistake that Episode II made that the third one somewhat fixes from the datalog.

I expected so much more from her given the hype she recieved before the game released. Like her going on a killing spree and destroying towns. Oh well you can't have everything.

She probably wasn't interested in being a Sephiroth clone ;p . And on that note, if she actually went on a killing spree and destroyed towns, I don't think that would make her any more interesting. She just seems to lack that little extra that a good villain needs. That's not to say that the fighting scenes with her weren't any good, but still...

Was her role really to be such an epic villain? I'm not really thinking it anymore. Just like a strong guardian..

Well, they did make a big fuss about her role in the game. They focused on her in most of the trailers, showing off her skills in battle and emphasizing that she was more powerful than KOS-MOS. It seemed as if she was really going to be a grand villain, but it didn't really turn out that way.

I agree with Xerno on this one... No matter how you looked at it T-elos just fell short... as a guardian... as a villain... as a plot device. They gave her an awesome fight scene but we come to expect more from the Xeno series...

She had a very important role and was linked to an equally weak character of Kevin... there should have been a lot more fireworks but it just seemed quite lame. Her whole character was just very bland. Considering she played such a huge role in the game, she was very passive and would just appear and then dissapear again.

What made Albedo so great was how you saw more then you needed to. The best example of that is probably that whole section he is with MOMO and he is twisting his own head off and taunting her. It's not all nessecary... MOMO could have just been captured and that's the last you hear about it... but these scenes add intensity to his character. T-elos doesn't have anything paticulaly memorable about her character... there is no mystery to her character just her purpose as a plot devise...

anyway... I'm waffling...