Well, seeing as there is an extended movie when you mix the secret endings of KH 2 and KH 2: FM, it's about time we started making some REAL guesses as to what's going on. Before they released KH2: FM, we really had NO idea what was going on, who was who, and what everything meant. But not we know a little more

Here are some things I want to point out that are very interesting:

-One of the knights bears IMO a 99% resemblance to Roxas.
-One of the other knights has a Riku-esque look to him, from KH 1 tho, not kH2
-The third knight looks completely new, but does slightly resemble Saix.
-The third knight I just mentioned has his eyes turn from blue to yellow at the end of the movie, much like the "bad guy" in the ending. Interesting..
-Most of them can wield multiple keyblades.
-The bald guy summons Kingdom Hearts again.
-The bald guy also has this interesting freezing ability where he can turn somebody completely into ice.
-The bald guy also can create people? Somehow, in the beginning of the KH2: FM ending, a shadowy figure comes from his body, and in a flash a real person inhabits the transparent figure just created with a black mask and an interesting red design on the chest (The reminded me slightly of a heartless).
-The bald guy is wearing the same outfit as Xehanort's heartless.
-All the knights are wearing white capes with similar suits of armor.
-The clone of the bald guy can shoot out streams of ice, much like how the bald guy can turn people to ice.
-The Rikueqsque character had the ability to surround his comrade in a crystal-like sphere and shoot him up to where the bald man is.
-It appears as though the knights can CONTROL the keyblades without holding them. When the Crystal is raised up in the air, it's pushed up by a stream of Keyblades, and earlier in the movie the Bald Man clone has a stream of keyblades chase after the knights, and at one point the bald guy actually rides it like he's surfing.
-The Roxas lookalike stares at the Rikuesque knight right before he dies, and they look at each other's eyes in a final moment.
-Once frozen and falling, the Roxas lookalike actually has his keyblade shatter (which is interesting because I don't think I've ever seen a keyblade break.)
-One SMALL thing I noticed that I had never noticed until I watched the High-Def version. Roxas lookalike is completely frozen, YET, when he falls and he's in the Rikuqsque knights arms, his EYES are still twiching and moving and looking around. It's so slight that you can't see it on low quality versions, but on high quality they DEFINITELY are. So he's at least alive, or not dead YET, or not completely frozen.
-The clone and bald guy both have different keyblades.
-King Mickey is there with a familiar looking keyblade (cant remember the name of it).
-The bald guy can manupulate the ground (or at least the ground at the crossroads).
-The Ansem Reports all scroll across the screen in the beginning of the KH Ending (Meaning that something Ansem has written about should at least be a CLUE as to whats going on).
-Whenwe're first shown the Knight with the really pointy ear/horn things in the begining of the KH movie, I don't know if this is done as cinematic effect, but he's standing there, and then a transparent figure of himself molds into his body. I don't know if this is just a creative effect to introduce him, or if it's related in ANY way to how the bald guy can have a transparent figure of himself come out of his body.
-Interestingly, at the end of the KH Secret Ending, the Rikuesque character does NOT pick up Riku's keyblade, but instead, it looks like he's picked up Sora or King Mickey's (They both look alike.) Also, the unknown one that looks a little like Saix picks up the other Sora or Mickey one, and the ROXAS lookalike picks up Riku's old keyblade... interesting..
-In the past games, in order to open Kingdom Hearts, Kairi's heart needed to be unlocked, and in the second game many heartless hearts had to be released, yet in the trailer this guy makes it look really easy, just summong a ball and sending it up to the sky.


Now, to take a quick look at the subtitles liste in the end of the KH2 Secret Ending:
Master of Keyblade
The Lost Two
Chasers
Memories of Xehanort
Keyblade War

Alright... Well here's a couple of things that stand out to me:

-Riku was turned into a heartless at one point right? Because he technically lost his heart to darkness, and that's how heartless are created? Well, if that's so, is it confirmed that Riku DOESN'T have a nobody?
-I REALLY really believe that the character in the video is Roxas. It's not confirmed, but I really do think it's him.

And so here are some random thoughts:

The whole concept of Birth by Sleep seems to be a pretty big theme driving KH3. And when playing KH2, when Roxas just, disappeared, I was like wait a minute.... Okay so now he and Sora are whole, but WHERE did he go??

And so maybe, just maybe, there is a world where Nobodies go to once they've been rejoined with their bodies, or literally put to sleep/death. And this world, is none other than the one we see everybody fighting in in these ending videos.

And so that's Riku's nobody, and Roxas who is Sora's nobody, and then the bald guy is somehow a nobody of Xehanort, or at least one with his memories.

And another interesting thing I was thinking of.... Is do we know what the inside of Kingdom Hearts looks like??? how do we know that they're not in Kingdom Hearts at that very moment, and that the Heart the bald guy summons is a gate to Kingdom Hearts, and not like, the gate back to Sora's world?

These are just a bunch of random thoughts, because there are a whole lot of unexplainable things (i.e. the Power of Ice, who the Chasers ARE [We've just assumed they're the knights but we dont know that], What the Keyblade War is about, Why the bald guy can control ice like that, when the battle/game actually takes place, and why they can create doubles of themselves)

Just, bounce ideas back and forth in here for now, it's all really interesting.

One thing I don't get, why are you calling the blue haired girl a Rikuesque character? Besides the fact that she is female, they look nothing alike imo.


It was the female knight who shot out a burst of energy from her keyblade to protect her companion.

Actually neither of them look anything like Riku to me.
And the other knight, who gets golden eyes, many people have said he looks like young Xehanort. But I wouldn't know.
The previous special ending does start off by mentioning "Xehanort's Memory" though.

Wait, are you sure it's a female???? I thought it was based on the way their armor looks, but then the Roxas-lookalike as some pretty feminine looking hips as well, so I dismisseed it based on that. And then the actual face/hair didn't really like much like a females to me.

And maybe Im mistaken when I watched the video, but im pretty sure it was him/her that surrounded the other knight in crystal.

Yeah i just watched it and it is. THe Rikuesque character im talking about is the one with the bluish hair that you think is a girl. He/she raises their keyblade and shoots a blue light from it, and it follows the other knight and surrounds him in a crystal structure raised up by keyblades


EDIT: WOW, this is really weird. In the version I posted, everything seems much darker, and the color and graphics appear to be slightly worse than the video you just posted.

I just watched the video you posted, and the blue haired character is definitely a girl I think. It looks MUCH more like a girl in your version though. I don't know why. I thought maybe it was just my imagination, but I watched both clips in both videos numerous times, and the color enhancement in your video definitely makes them look like a girl (the shade of hte face, the pinkishness of hte lips, the bluish of hte hair), i cant explain it

I think that the character that LagunaWannabe said looked like Saix, kind of looks like Sora, only older. I only watched it once, but Ill watch it again to see if I see it the second time around.

Also, I think that the keyblade war may be referring to Kingdom Hearts II where Sora is fighting mass amounts of heartless and nobodies, so in the future of the Kingdom Hearts timeline, people may have considered it a war. I was going to include the events of the first Kingdom Hearts in that assumption, but I don't really think it was a huge war at that point like it was in Kingdom Hearts II.

Well I wasn't sure who you were refering to as the Rikuesque character, because the brown haired knight also looks into the Roxas lookalike's eyes before he is frozen, and since the blue haired one "obviously" is female I thought maybe you meant him. But yeah she is the one who creates the barrier. Look at the downloadable version of the trailer if it's hard to see. i think they were both pretty clear once you look at them in full downloadable quality.


Anyway, that's definitely a woman if I ever saw one.

See, when I look at the Saix character, I agree with Athrun that he looks like a young Xehanort. the hair combed back and the sides down, but the yellow eyes set me off as well.

And I defintiely don't think we've seen the keyblade war yet. I think that's something to come. I'msure it has something to do with all those keyblades at hte crossroads.


EDIT: Athrun, how'd you get those screens?? did you do the Print Screen function and get the thru paint?? Because there are some screenshots I wanted to capture

I used the "Save image" option under File, when using Media Player Classic.
Then I cut out the images, otherwise they would be too wide to post.

And I don't think we've seen the Keyblade war either. That mass heartless battle didn't have much to do with Keyblades, and a war is more than just one battle. I also thing it has to do with all those keyblades in the special ending.

One thing I noticed though. Like Another Side Another Story and Deep Dive, there seem to be some inconsistant differences between the two special endings of KH 2 as well. Mainly the Keyblades we see them pick up at the end of the original special ending. Those were Kingdom Key, Riku's Keyblade, and one more. But I don't see them using those keyblades in this movie. In fact it looks like their keyblades are very basic and don't look special at all. When I saw "Master of Keyblade" and the old man controling all the keyblades, I wondered why doesn't he just control the keyblades they are hoilding? Perhaps their keyblades are special, or maybe they aren't keyblades at all. But since the blue haired girl used hers to create that barrier, it seems like they are keyblades.

Yeah you're absolutely right, except I just figured that Riku, Sora, and Mickey's keyblades had been controlled by the bald guy and taken away from the knights. If these knights are in fact chasers, maybe their keyblades are different than Sora's and every1 else's in some way.

I'm still really concerned by the blonde one though, he really does look EXACTLY like Roxas. EXACTLY.

And I'm a little concerned with the whole freezing/controlling keyblades ability of the bald guy. Never seen that before.

I also wonder how he opened Kingdom Hearts completely. And after i watched the video a ton more times, I realized, when he freezes Roxas-kid, there's a black mist that comes from his body first, and THEN the bald guy summons Kingdom Hearts. Maybe that freezing ability has something to do with taking hearts?

Also, the whole fact that hte bald guy had himself a transparent figure and it became a heartless looking figure puzzles me as well. And in the KH2 Secret Ending, when the knight is introduced, he's standing still, and a picture of a transparent version of him enters his body. I really still can't tell if that's for introductory effect or if its teh same thing asteh bald guy. because the knight ISNT moving until the transparent figure enters his body. So i dunno


EDIT:

Okay I just realized while watching the video, the bald guy appears to control all the keyblades, BUT, i don't think that's the case. Around :52 seconds is when he stirs up the whirlwind, and that's what it is oringally. It's a giant whirlwind that sucks keybladesin. So I don't think that he's actually controlling keyblades, but he's controlling a whirlwind that happened to suck up all the keyblades.

Also, it appears as though his transparent figure can use all the same abilities he can.



Also, there's something interesting I noted.. I don't know if this is coincidence or not, but Roxas (Who I'm now convinced it IS most def Roxas after looking closer), and the blue haired (girl) have blue eyes. The unknown knight has blue eyes but THEN they change to yellow. The bald guy has yellow eyes the whole time. I wonder if the color of their eyes represent anything?

I'll post pictures soon to show just how much he looks like Roxas in full detail

I've thought over all the points you made myself, and I agree with them.

Did you notice that the bald guy (who, in my opinion, is THE ugliest, most villainous looking RPG badguy ever, which is a good thing) is wearing what looks like Ansem's (Xehanort's Heartless, that is) clothes?

Where can I download this video?

Here you go. It's the second link in my post. http://www.rpgdreamersforum.com/index.php?...st&p=593154

Wow, I feel stupid. Oh well. It was like 2AM when I posted that. Thanks.

Check it out: Battle with the Knight (Kid gets pwned in TWO HITS, even at lvl 65)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjboh2q2Q10


But here's what I've heard that the knight says in the begining: Very interesting...


TRANSLATION:
"Aqua... Ven... Keyblade... who are you? I can feel it... we have met before... it was when... No... it isn't you... It isn't you that I have chosen... Why is it not him... Xe... ha... nort... is that you? Xeha... nort... Xehanort!" Note: It's not me who translated it.



OMG!!! CHECK THIS!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jhZ3JuCA3eY


HOLY CRAP, thats so awesome. Check out the other vids that kid has on his member name. But this scene seems SO IMPORTANT for KH3, thats NUTS! and then I have a picture of Xemnas' "old friend" that he sees in what the video calls "The Room of Sleep":





Nuts... I know. rofl

Yeah about that "old friend" it just looks like a suit of armor with no one inside of it.
Actually I heard that Xemnas second form now is him wearing an armor. Maybe it's that one?

This thing about "sleep" sounds interesting. Remember that the new special ending starts off by saying "Birth by sleep?"
Perhaps it's something like his spirit inhabiting the suit of armor when he sleeps? I dunno, but that thing about "sleep" and "awakening" sounds similar to what happened to Sora in COM when he regained his memories. Xemnas is looking for a room of awakening. Not sure what that is.

See I don't know what it looks like, it doesnt look like much of anything to me. And I'm not sure about Xemnas' armor, that's weird.

But based on the battle with the knight, it sounds like the Knights decide who the keyblade wielders are, and judging by his reply, maybe Xehanort was originally chosen to be the keyblade master? But he lost his memory?

And then Aqua/Ven are two words the knight says in the translation. Maybe Aqua is the name of the blue haired knight, and Ven is one of the other knights? Who knows.

But the whole sleep thing sounds really important. It sounds like in "sleep" there's a different world. THat's my biggest theory so far, that the knight truly is Roxas, and he's there because it's a sleep wold, or something like that.

your theories all make sense but... i was just wondering couldnt it be Riku's or Sora's Parents or such? they do have similarities the blue haired woman looks a little like Riku and the "roxas" looking guy seems like Sora and that one directer guy said the characters were new... the keyblade war could have been something from the past that somehow transcended time... or the future

I doubt it. It's just not the style of Kingdom Hearts. THat would just kinda throw off all other theories. And their parents have never been mentioned before, I doubt all of a sudden their parents are these unbelievable Keyblade wielders who have this unbelievable battle to prevent Kingdom Hearts from being opened. It just doesn't seem like it fits. ANd it doesn't really seem like Nomura's style either in his Final Fantasy games

Double Post, why not. Well...



From Riku'sTwilight, http://www.kingdomhearts3.org/showthread.php?t=4649 on a Kingdom Hearts 3 Speculation Forum.

He brings up a point I had completely forgotten about, and I think it will no doubt play a huge role in the game, especially because it's been mentioned that the crossroads are important. Since the crossroads are important, I think Light and Darkness and Twilight and Dawn will play a MUCH larger role than they have in the past.



Also, here's a thought I heard somebody bring up in another forum: How do we know the Bald Villain opens Kingdom Hearts? Is that what Kingdom Hearts normally looks like? It was blue for the first time, and it's summoned from an Orb. It might not be Kingdom Hearts at all. If my own thoughts are correct, it could very well be a door to a whole other realm of Existance.

I know Ansem's Reports scrolled across the screen at the begining of the first secret trailer, and so I read through them all, and I found one very interesting point: He was in a realm of nothingness. Hence, DiZ. The concept of realms seems to be very plausable, considering there's "Many layers to a heart". and whatnot.

Also, while reading the Ansem reports, I came upon something VERY interesting, and somebody in another forum put into words perfectly for me. There's three parts to a person: The Heart, The Body, and The Soul, and the quote I've found is:



If there was a place where souls go (Yes, like a concept of Heaven), then that could explain why we see an image of Roxas. It's his soul. Or something to that effect.



EDIT: Also, I was just watching some CoM movies, and Axel says to Marluxia at one point: "Think again. Your little mascot can keep you company in the void." (He meant after he destroyed Marluxia). So, this leads me to believe that when nobodies are killed/destroyed, they go to the "Void". Sounds a lot like where Ansem the Wise was. So if Ansem was there, here's a little loophole. Maybe Ansem the Wise has a heartless, and the Ansem we saw in KH2 was really only his nobody, except we wouldn't know that, would we? Kinda interesting to think about.

ANOTHER EDIT: Here's something interesting.. All the knights represent one path of the crossroads, or they're supposed to at least, right? Well, in CoM, even King Mickey says that Riku has discovered paths that he's never even thought of: Dawn and Twilight. And when Diz asks Riku if he's walking the Twilit path to Nightfall, Riku replies, no, The Road to Dawn. So maybe Riku is the first one toever walk down these roads since he's the first ever seen (At least by Mickey, DiZ, and the Organization), to ever be able to utilize both Light and Dark.

THIRD EDIT: Just realized this after reading someone talking about importance behind a name: Sora is kanji for Sky and Kairi is kanji for sea. Aqua is latin for water and Ven is latin for Air. (Aqua and Ven are presumably the names of the blue haired knight and the Roxas-looking knight. Seems like an important parallel to me.)

ANOTHER QUICK EDIT: Kinda strange, in the KH: COM Final Mix game, when Sora see's the castle in twilight town and Vexen appears, Vexen says that Sora "remembers this place on the other side of his heart". Meaning Roxas knows the place. But that's awkward that he calls Roxas the other side of his heart. I wonder why.