Ken Masters
Jun 15 2007, 04:14 PM
Just like what my Topic Description says
http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-t...ed--30458.phtmlThe following is quoted from the site
pics and etc are in the link itself
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Need I preface this article with my brain paralyzing love for Square? I think not. I have to say though, at GDC I played a PSP and for the first time thought I might actually want one (which is inconvenient because I can't make fun of it anymore if I buy one). With the upcoming release of titles like this and Crisis Core, it's quickly becoming a must have on my list.
Final Fantasy Tactics: The Lion War celebrates the ten-year anniversary of the original game with expanded features such as multiplayer, co-op modes and anime-style cutscenes. Final Fantasy XII players will be pleased to see that Balthier plays a role in this title (I love his cutesy anime restyle here). The Japanese release date is set for May 10th, with no specific date set for stateside release yet. Never fear, my little robots, surely it'll be here soon enough.
This info came from Square Haven, which is a superlative source for those of you who channel your adoration of SquareEnix's work through your every pore. Rather than just taking the obvious fanboy route, the editors have a variety of objective input on where Square is going, which is refreshing. We need more level heads in the game universe, rather than the usual garden variety of people we all dream of stabbing in the face.
cloudycat
Jun 15 2007, 04:41 PM
I am hyped about this game I love strategy RPGs and I never got to play tactics and everything looks great so far although there have been a few people moaning about it having slow down issues and glitches in the music. I saw a comparison video of the emulated PS1 verson and the PSP version in another forum of the so called issues and to be honest I could hardly tell, so yeah I can't wait
Athrun
Jun 16 2007, 01:34 AM
The game looks awesome. So it's getting online and co-op mode as well? I wonder how that will work. I'd love to play through the game together with a friend if possible. Balthier (Balflear) looks cool, but who is that person next to him?

He/she looks familiar. Someone from a Mana game?
SonicX_Zero
Jun 16 2007, 03:17 AM
That extra character's name is Luso, he's a character from FFTA2.
LagunaWannabe
Jun 16 2007, 10:18 AM
Ahh truee... Well regardless, I'm PSYCHED for this game. I'm glad they're putting anime style cutscenes in. The whol game itself will be incredible. I've already started saving up for PSP
So.... May 10th in Japan? I didnt know the game came out there yet
Andrico
Jun 16 2007, 11:13 AM
Perhaps it got delayed...? I'm not really sure whether this is worth it. I got FFT around its release, and I'm not sure whether the extra cut scenes will be that much of a reward for buying it and playing it all over again. Also, I don't like that they modified the story. The only way that that should be possible is if they took Cloud out and put that dude from FFXII in instead. That would make more sense anyways. Otherwise, though, doesn't FFXII take place hundreds of years before FFT? Also, on a slightly related note; Are there areas of the FFXII map that coincide with either the FFT or FFTA maps?
Grahf
Jun 18 2007, 08:13 AM
This makes me wish I had a PSP. Luckily I have the PS1 game, but with the cutscenes (which look really good, I like how the scenes look hand drawn) I would like to play this version. Ah well, maybe I'll get a PSP sometime soon for this game, Castlevania, Metal Gear Solid, and other various games that look good for it.
Athrun
Jun 18 2007, 08:45 AM
QUOTE (Hashmalum @ Jun 18 2007, 06:13 PM)

Ah well, maybe I'll get a PSP sometime soon for this game, Castlevania, Metal Gear Solid, and other various games that look good for it.
Yah Castlevania: Rhondo of Blood and MGS PO also sounds very tempting. But I don't know if I'll pick up a PSP or just borrow one from a friend instead.
LagunaWannabe
Jun 18 2007, 02:17 PM
Well, if FFT Lions War is on the brink of coming out, I'm gonna save up for a PSP. I mean, Revenant Wings will also come out for PSP, as will Crisis Core, so if I'm gonna get those three games I might as well buy one. I'm workin full time this summer so I'll have plenty of extra cash, I'm sure I can spare 169 bucks for HOURS and HOURS worth of gameplay hahaha.
Grahf
Jun 18 2007, 02:28 PM
Is Revenant Wings really coming out for the PSP? I thought it was a DS exclusive.
LagunaWannabe
Jun 18 2007, 07:45 PM
erm. did i get it mixed up?? sh*t rofl, maybe it is, but whatever, i know there are other good games coming out for it... and Crisis Core and FFT Remake are more than enough for me anyways
Grahf
Jun 18 2007, 08:19 PM
thats true, I would take an FFT remake over revenant wings any day
Ken Masters
Jun 19 2007, 07:23 AM
QUOTE (Hashmalum @ Jun 18 2007, 09:19 PM)

thats true, I would take an FFT remake over revenant wings any day
Besides that it would take nearly more than any alotted time imaginable to conmplete the game. The real extra that I'm interested in (besides Balfear) though would be the new job classes, i wonder how the new Onion Knight and Dark Knight classes would spice up the already various classes to choose from.
LagunaWannabe
Jun 19 2007, 02:39 PM
The only thing I'm REALLY excited to see is the new graphics. I could care less about the gameplay because it never gets old, it's fun every time u play it, but to see Zalbag, Delita (My fav), Vormav, etc all in cell shade should be NASTY
Ken Masters
Jun 19 2007, 03:54 PM
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Jun 19 2007, 03:39 PM)

The only thing I'm REALLY excited to see is the new graphics. I could care less about the gameplay because it never gets old, it's fun every time u play it, but to see Zalbag, Delita (My fav), Vormav, etc all in cell shade should be NASTY
Not to mention the newly rendered cut-scenes, giving the game a medieval anime feel to it, Record of Lodoss War anyone?
Honestly though out of all the characters in the game, I can't wait to see Orlandu, finally I get an idea of how his getup looks like other than purple armor and a brown hood.
LagunaWannabe
Jun 19 2007, 04:04 PM
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Not to mention the newly rendered cut-scenes, giving the game a medieval anime feel to it, Record of Lodoss War anyone?
I swear to god thats what i meant. I dont care about ingame graphics, i meant cell shading
Ken Masters
Jun 19 2007, 05:11 PM
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Jun 19 2007, 05:04 PM)

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Not to mention the newly rendered cut-scenes, giving the game a medieval anime feel to it, Record of Lodoss War anyone?
I swear to god thats what i meant. I dont care about ingame graphics, i meant cell shading
Sorry, bout that, didn't read your post carefully, though I have to disagree, cell-shading isn't all that bad. i mean .Hack/G.U. wasn't all the bad in terms of the graphics department. In anycase, I'm curious how they will opt to re-enact all the scenes from
Delita's ascension to the throne, to Ovelia's presumed death. So yeah, can't wait.
Bomb
Jun 30 2007, 05:06 PM
I am pasting this from another thread just to further warn you all: this game is pretty lagtacular.
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Seriously, if you played FFTactics on PS1, skip the PSP version. It took like 7 seconds for Gafgarian to start doing a sword tech after I ordered it. Yes, time that in your head. Picture yourself selecting the command, then count 7 nice big fat seconds, THEN picture the attack beginning. Yeah, it's that bad. And you are part of the problem if you buy that pile of ass-swizzle.
LagunaWannabe
Jun 30 2007, 08:17 PM
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Seriously, if you played FFTactics on PS1, skip the PSP version. It took like 7 seconds for Gafgarian to start doing a sword tech after I ordered it. Yes, time that in your head. Picture yourself selecting the command, then count 7 nice big fat seconds, THEN picture the attack beginning. Yeah, it's that bad. And you are part of the problem if you buy that pile of ass-swizzle.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm almost positive most of those sword attacks aren't done right on the spot... Doesn't it take a few seconds of charge time for it to work??? And I seriously doubt Square would release this game if one attack takes seven seconds to complete.... That just doesn't make sense
Athrun
Jul 1 2007, 02:08 AM
That sounds pretty strange. I'd like to know if it happened to anyone elses copy as well.
Bomb
Jul 1 2007, 04:52 AM
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Doesn't it take a few seconds of charge time for it to work???
Not in the PS version. No, they don't.
From:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3159537QUOTE
The sound quality seems to have taken a hit as well, with music lacking the reverb that made it sound so majestic; plus, certain sounds are simply awful now, like the wind effect that now resembles a busted Atari 2600 game more than a haunting breeze. And then there's the slowdown -- most monster attacks and any animated battle effect, such as spells and sword skills, bring the game to a crawl.
A couple of the comments posted on that:
"they better fix the sound and slow down problems, "
"... but hearing about the slowdown and clunkiness turns me off. Why wasn't more attention placed on utilizing the PSP's screen dimensions? That is absurd."
Anyway, I'll tell you this: the story parts of the game are still awesome. Very awesome. The cinemas and stuff they added are great, and seeing old favorite scenes redone like that is just ridiculously cool. But it's far from perfect, and I'd say the lag/loading/slowdown even bring the game down near or below "Average" status. Terrible how the two ended up balancing each other out like that.
I can still understand if folks buy it, because FFT is like unto crack cocaine, but hear my plea and at least consider waiting until the price drops substantially before making the dive. This is a Square game, and a Final Fantasy at that; you know it won't get rare or anything.
LagunaWannabe
Jul 1 2007, 05:10 AM
Well, I'd like to investigate the bugs further because this is the first I've heard of the gameplay, and right now it's an unidentified source. I'd like to see IGN or Gamespot review it first, and then get some of the takes on it.
Bomb
Jul 1 2007, 08:19 AM
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Jul 1 2007, 08:10 AM)

Well, I'd like to investigate the bugs further because this is the first I've heard of the gameplay, and right now it's an unidentified source. I'd like to see IGN or Gamespot review it first, and then get some of the takes on it.
So
1Up.com and me sitting here telling you about my playing it are unidentified sources? I don't think you quite know what "unidentified" means.
Here, I'll send you my Japanese copy of the game. You PM me your address and PayPal me $30 US I'd get from selling it on eBay and I'll mail you this #####.
LagunaWannabe
Jul 1 2007, 09:47 AM
Yes, it was an unidentified source:
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I am pasting this from another thread just to further warn you all: this game is pretty lagtacular
You didn't mention it's from 1up.com
and by saying that u were posting something from another thread, I didn't know you had a copy of the game yourself, that changes everything. sorry for the mixup
SonicX_Zero
Jul 1 2007, 10:07 AM
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q2-2007/060107c.htmlQ: Are there any plans to fix the supposed slow down from the Japanese version of Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions?
A: The slow down is not really bad, but what little there is in the game is out of our hands.
Bomb
Jul 1 2007, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (SonicX_Zero @ Jul 1 2007, 01:07 PM)

A: The slow down is not really bad, but what little there is in the game is out of our hands.
Heh, indeed, believe the man who gets more money the more copies the game sells. There's credability, embodied.
Laguna: Ah, I see the confusion. When I said "other thread," I meant here at RPG Dreamers, over in the Sony Console board. I would have specified if it was from another forum. And in my second post, I pasted a URL from 1up, so yes, the mention is there. It's right above the quoted portion. Sorry about any mixup though.
Ken Masters
Jul 3 2007, 08:38 AM
QUOTE (Bomb @ Jul 1 2007, 05:52 AM)

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Doesn't it take a few seconds of charge time for it to work???
Not in the PS version. No, they don't.
From:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3159537QUOTE
The sound quality seems to have taken a hit as well, with music lacking the reverb that made it sound so majestic; plus, certain sounds are simply awful now, like the wind effect that now resembles a busted Atari 2600 game more than a haunting breeze. And then there's the slowdown -- most monster attacks and any animated battle effect, such as spells and sword skills, bring the game to a crawl.
A couple of the comments posted on that:
"they better fix the sound and slow down problems, "
"... but hearing about the slowdown and clunkiness turns me off. Why wasn't more attention placed on utilizing the PSP's screen dimensions? That is absurd."
Anyway, I'll tell you this: the story parts of the game are still awesome. Very awesome. The cinemas and stuff they added are great, and seeing old favorite scenes redone like that is just ridiculously cool. But it's far from perfect, and I'd say the lag/loading/slowdown even bring the game down near or below "Average" status. Terrible how the two ended up balancing each other out like that.
I can still understand if folks buy it, because FFT is like unto crack cocaine, but hear my plea and at least consider waiting until the price drops substantially before making the dive. This is a Square game, and a Final Fantasy at that; you know it won't get rare or anything.
Though I do see your point, the 1up article that you hyperlinked with your post does say that the game will be tweaked a bit when it is launched to the U.S. Who knows they might fix the slow down by the time it gets to the U.S.. In anycase i will agree that I will wait for the price drop, hopefully other FFT fans will do the same as well and wait to see how much changes were there added to the U.S. or International version.
P.S. I know that the article just said they'll add voices in the cutscneses and translate the dialogue alot better, but who knows they might just tweak the gameplay speed a bit. But hey, that's what I hope in anycase.
Bomb
Jul 3 2007, 08:53 AM
The RPGaymer interview with the stateside publisher said that the lag is "out of our hands," though, is the thing. (And it is. Localization houses generally only handle things like voice acting and script translation.) And the fact that he called it "not that bad" means, sadly, that you can bet all your chips on the lag not being touched.
Needless to say, I'm pretty disappointed. I just hope, like you said and like I said earlier, that in the event the US version does indeed suck as much as we all but know it will, people won't lap up Square Enix's crap out of blind loyalty to the name and series. If people refuse to buy crap, companies have to step up their games in order to be competitive. But Square knows right now that it can make mistakes and cut plenty of corners when it comes to Final Fantasy titles, and they'll still make a mint on every installment.
I'm not pointing necessarily at any particular FF game or calling the series bad per se, but you know what I mean. This game can have all the lag in the world, and you know people on these kind of forums will still be calling it the "best ever" and such. It's sad but true.
Ken Masters
Jul 3 2007, 09:25 AM
QUOTE (Bomb @ Jul 3 2007, 09:53 AM)

I'm not pointing necessarily at any particular FF game or calling the series bad per se, but you know what I mean. This game can have all the lag in the world, and you know people on these kind of forums will still be calling it the "best ever" and such. It's sad but true.
Sad to acknowledge it myself, but yes Square has been lately giving out crap to fans (with the exception of XII), and knowing full well they can make mistakes and still fans will love it. you can find with almost any company with a a major franchise like FF. It's a sad truth in the world of fandom, no matter what you really can't reason with that kind. In anycase here's to hoping they'll improve the game for the U.S. version and International version, and hope that Square will actually deliver to what we want. Not what we'll settle for.
cloudycat
Jul 9 2007, 09:49 AM
According to IGN the European PAL release date is stated for October, I don't know when the US version is out though I would assume before the PAL.
http://uk.psp.ign.com/articles/802/802285p1.htmlEDIT Play.com has it down for October the 26th.
The Evil Dead
Jul 9 2007, 09:52 AM
Even with the latest PSP firmware update there's slowdown?
Either it's just bad coding for a port causing the issue, or Tactics is really that taxing on the PSP. I really doubt that though, considering it's a PS1 title.
I think it's just bad coding. Jeers, Squeenix.
Although I say we hold out for the US version before passing judgment... Maybe... Just maybe... They might tweak it a bit despite what has been said. Either way I don't really care though, I have the PS1 version and I'm not interested in a portable port/remake.
Bomb
Jul 29 2007, 07:59 PM
http://rpgland.com/games/fft/lionswar/preview.htmlQUOTE
Differences are present in the PSP version which may make it intriguing for even the most seasoned FFT vets...though there is heavy mid-battle and mid-scene lag that could upset a lot of players as well. Starting with the bad news, the game severely slows down during most varieties of special attacks. Many of the flashy knight-sword skills and monster attacks, for example, execute at about half the speed as their PSX version counterparts. Other skills are also noticeably slowed, and players will notice Ramza taking a little stutter-step when arriving at certain points on the map, somewhat randomly. Sadly, it also falls victim to diminished sound quality, most obvious with the magic spells.
But on to the good news, eh? Final Fantasy Tactics was a game with a great story told in choppy translation and restricted visuals. The PSP version contains animated sequences that are nothing short of amazing. They have not completely replaced story segments done with the game engine, but the most important and most memorable events have been remade in impressive quality. Even better, the English version of this game is getting retranslated script. No more being all like, "What the hell does that mean?" after certain lines.
It should be noted, however, that the aformentioned lag is still present in these new animated scenes. There can easily be over 20 seconds of loading while waiting for the sequence to begin, and usually within the first 15 seconds or so, a given cinema will stutter or skip at least once. (I tested this on mulptiple PSPs.)
Here is an exclusive video serving two purposes: one is to show you the amazing cinemas, and another is to demonstrate the skips and load time associated with them. There is a short version for those who just want to see the lag/skipping for themselves, and a long version for those who want to see this example cinema in its entirety. It's a conversation between Delita and Ovelia, and there aren't really any spoilers, especially if you can't read Japanese somewhat quickly.
(More at link) http://rpgland.com/games/fft/lionswar/ffta...emalagshort.MPGhttp://rpgland.com/games/fft/lionswar/ffta...pfullcinema.MPG
AnimePaul
Jul 30 2007, 10:12 PM
I have a feeling the demo wasn't optimized and probably why even the prerecorded animated scenes are lagging. Square-Enix will most likely get it all sorted out before release.
Athrun
Jul 31 2007, 12:20 AM
QUOTE (AnimePaul @ Jul 31 2007, 08:12 AM)

I have a feeling the demo wasn't optimized and probably why even the prerecorded animated scenes are lagging. Square-Enix will most likely get it all sorted out before release.
I don't think that was the demo, but the Japanese version.
Bomb
Jul 31 2007, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (Athrun @ Jul 31 2007, 04:20 AM)

I don't think that was the demo, but the Japanese version.
Correct.
QUOTE (AnimePaul @ Jul 31 2007, 08:12 AM)

Square-Enix will most likely get it all sorted out before release.
Incorrect.
The Evil Dead
Jul 31 2007, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (Bomb @ Jul 31 2007, 07:27 PM)

QUOTE (AnimePaul @ Jul 31 2007, 08:12 AM)

Square-Enix will most likely get it all sorted out before release.
Incorrect.
I must agree with this man. Everything that I've read stated that they're not really doing anything about the lag... Not really as in not fixing it at all.
LagunaWannabe
Jul 31 2007, 07:29 PM
I'm definitely not buying FFT: Lion's War now.... unfortunately.
1. The lag time is actually REALLY bad. The loading time is like 10 seconds for the videos, and the fact they skip actually bothers me.
2. The cutscenes aren't that great anyway. From what I've seen from most of these, there's hardly ANY background music or anything, just sound effects and silence and text, which also bothers me. I thought it was going to be cell shaded FMVs, but instead they're just silent cartoons.
Bomb
Jul 31 2007, 10:15 PM
You sure you don't want any piece of that
terrible English voice acting?
Well, Agrias and Ovelia are actually pretty good, I think. Delita, meh, passable I guess, but WOW @ Ramza's voice. Where'd your balls go, bro?
AnimePaul
Aug 25 2007, 11:32 AM
Apparently, I was right Square-Enix did smooth out most of the technical issues in the game like the slowdown for the U.S. release.
QUOTE (1up.com)
The Japanese version of the game sold respectably in May, but it suffered from a number of notable shortcomings. The most frustrating was the constant slowdown that plagued the battles; seemingly every small action caused the PSP to stutter briefly, and many visual effects (particularly those from magic spells) caused the game speed to slow to a crawl. The U.S. edition of the game doesn't completely smooth over these issues, but they've been dramatically reduced; now the technical issues are about on par with the minor slowdown exhibited in the PS1 release and are no longer distracting.
Link:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3162322
Bomb
Aug 25 2007, 05:00 PM
Which makes it particularly puzzling that Square Enix came right out and said that it would not be addressed. Their dude even called it "not that bad," in those exact words. And my bro that played it at Square Enix headquarters in L.A. said the English version still had the lag.
I remain cautious. You should too.
I mean I sure *hope* this is true, but it just seems like Square would have told people "Yes it's getting addressed" if it was actually getting addressed. Wouldn't that make more sense?
AnimePaul
Aug 25 2007, 09:00 PM
QUOTE (Bomb @ Aug 25 2007, 05:00 PM)

Which makes it particularly puzzling that Square Enix came right out and said that it would not be addressed. Their dude even called it "not that bad," in those exact words. And my bro that played it at Square Enix headquarters in L.A. said the English version still had the lag.
I remain cautious. You should too.
I mean I sure *hope* this is true, but it just seems like Square would have told people "Yes it's getting addressed" if it was actually getting addressed. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Maybe they changed their mind?
cloudycat
Aug 26 2007, 06:58 AM
Regardless of the games slowdown issues I'm still really looking forward to this game. I never got the chance to play it the first time around so I hopefully won't notice the issues as much others who have played the game.
Apple_Juice
Aug 26 2007, 01:00 PM
no you won't
Bomb
Aug 26 2007, 05:24 PM
You certainly will
(Assuming they're still as bad, which I guess the jury is still out on)
Apple_Juice
Aug 26 2007, 05:35 PM
I don't see why you would get a psp for just like one game. That's f*ckin stupid.
cloudycat
Aug 26 2007, 06:01 PM
QUOTE (Apple_Juice @ Aug 27 2007, 02:35 AM)

I don't see why you would get a psp for just like one game. That's f*ckin stupid.
Who said they bought a PSP just for one game?
QUOTE (Bomb @ Aug 27 2007, 02:24 AM)

You certainly will
(Assuming they're still as bad, which I guess the jury is still out on)
That's disappointing, if it's that bad then I'll grab it after a price drop.
Demonwing
Sep 1 2007, 05:42 PM
Slowdown issues are being fixed in the NA release (<3<3<3<3<3), and a few scenes are being removed (hopefully integrated in other areas, sine that would cut out the story)
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3162322 here ya go;
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The Japanese version of the game sold respectably in May, but it suffered from a number of notable shortcomings. The most frustrating was the constant slowdown that plagued the battles; seemingly every small action caused the PSP to stutter briefly, and many visual effects (particularly those from magic spells) caused the game speed to slow to a crawl. The U.S. edition of the game doesn't completely smooth over these issues, but they've been dramatically reduced; now the technical issues are about on par with the minor slowdown exhibited in the PS1 release and are no longer distracting.
So it'll run just like it did in the original =D
And I intend to get a PSP solely for this game, though I do have some other things like Harvest Moon Innocent Life and portable movies as a backup drive =p
Birthday on the second of October, that birthday money will be just perfect for a nice PSP. Hell, a PSP Lite if it comes out.
Flame
Sep 2 2007, 04:28 AM
Wow... that lag would just annoy the hell out of me... nope... I can't deal with THAT much lag. As for the actual added scenes, well... they look amazing, I just love the style of art but with no voice acting and only background sounds I'm really not that bothered.
I'm not that much into 'Tactics' games so I wasn't too bothered about this game in the first place, I'm sure I'll just find a way to play the old PS1 game instead. Leaving only Crisis core the only game I really particularly want on the PSP at the moment.
AnimePaul
Sep 2 2007, 10:49 AM
QUOTE (Flame @ Sep 2 2007, 04:28 AM)

Wow... that lag would just annoy the hell out of me... nope... I can't deal with THAT much lag. As for the actual added scenes, well... they look amazing, I just love the style of art but with no voice acting and only background sounds I'm really not that bothered.
There are voice acting for those new scenes you should go look at one of Bombs posts he has a clip of the English VO I think.
Here it is:
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswartrailer.MP4
Bomb
Sep 7 2007, 08:26 PM
English videos of battle:
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswarenglish1.mov - Blizzaja
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswarenglish2.mov - Ifrit
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswarenglish3.mov - Curative
...Wow.
I stand amazed, partially corrected, and stupified.
Square Enix, against previus statements, it *seems* actually went in there and reduced the lag. It's still a little slower than it should be, but it's not as bad as the Japanese version. Wow. If these are not just some select clips Square reved up for trailer purposes and trickery, I am impressed. I hope for the sake of us all that it is what it appears to be from these videos.
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