I am sure some of you have already seen it, or are aware of it.
I'd still like to mention for those who don't know.

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4831.html

It is a special on the Final Fantasy series in its whole and it is quite fun to watch.
So, for those who are interested, you should give it a shot.

They do 13 episodes and every sunday is a new episode, this week is the third one.

Beaten to the post, heh.

Yeah this feature is damn cool. Game Trailers is an excellent site.

Wow thanks.

I saw the one they did on the Zelda series, and I was wondering if they ever will do one on a different series.

Thanks a lot, kudos.

Yeah, this is really a good feature coming from GT.
I do have to say that I am not the biggest FF fan on this forum, but I did enjoyed the games and this gives me a huge nostalgia feel.
I was looking forward to Final Fantasy IV and V.

Though I am very curious what they'll say about VI, VIII and IX for them being my favourites. I am also interested on what they'll say about Final Fantasy VII. Whether they'll be praising as every fanboy already did, or acknowledge its flaws.

Well you can do both at once, you know

Obviously.
Was thinking of things as, Sephiroth is omgleethaxxorz and best villain evarrrrrr things. =P

Ah, I see.
Sorry then ^^

Yeah sorry, just too many people think you can't like a game while also realizing it has weaknesses and sutff, like if you say one bad thing that means you hate their favorite game and you suck and are gay. But I forgot I was here instead of over at GameFUQs, the headquarters of that train of thought.
Whoops.

Great find, i've never seen these

I have to admit I am a big FF7 fan(as well as a FFVI, VIII and IX fan) but at the same time I acknowledge the fact it has its flaws, I just don't find them deep enough to spoil my enjoyment of the game/s. That said its the fanboys who do make comments like, "Sephiroth is omgleethaxxorz and best villain evarrrrrr" and other things along those lines that seem to make it fashionable to bash the game in this day and age.

Well, obvious.
If you are the only one with a nice yellow top, you like it.
If everyone else suddenly has the same yellow top, you don't like it anymore. Though I never really liked FF VII for that matter =P.

I noticed this little series (along with the metroid retrospective thats also happening at the same time) a few days before this was posted, and I like this series, its informative and it made me want to play the older games, especially finish up the last dungeon of FFVI (which I stopped playing because I didn't feel like level grinding).

It's a good series though, nice find. I would also recommend the metroid retrospective to the fans of the series, although thats slightly off topic.

Well I guess so, but i've never been one to let others influence(or force) my opinion if I like something then I like it, and that includes everything not just games, it's the same with music, films etc. With that being said I never really understand why people get defensive over a game(or film) they love and its not just FF its other franchises too, I personally love FF7 and for me that's fine but if someone tells me it's shite then that's fine too it's just their opinion, I never get all uptight over it I don't really care.

Well, I usualy ask them why they feel that way.


Well, part IV was quite interesting and got a lot of information at the beginning about the sprites.
I am quite curious about next week, because it is about Final Fantasy VII.
To me it still feels like a mediocre game at best, but I am definitly looking out for it.

Yeah... this has been a pretty good series so far....

I started watching it with Episode 2, and I've loved the nostalgia I'm getting from it.

Yeah they're pretty good.
I started watching yesterday and only watched the first two so far. Very nostalgic. I'll keep watching.

Boy it sure is interesting!

why couldn't they teach children these kind of thing's in school

thanks for putting it up!

I hope they cover all three psx games in the next episodes but thats unlikely given that they even dedicated one episode to the first game and they will surely give FFVII major attention as its the most popular one.

Its an interesting series to tell you the truth and its a must watch for any gamer that has played a FF. Insanly nostalgic indeed.

Considering this will last for 13 episodes, I think the PSX games will all get their own part.
At least I hope so, that would mean they could cover up a lot of information about those games.

These are awesome. Thanks for the link. I'm waiting for the next one to be loaded before I go to bed tonight.

they'll be uploaded each sunday, so you can wait for a looooooong time xD.

boy oh boy! saw Part V just a moment ago, was so cool, but my blood started pumping when I saw preview of part VI when FFVIII is going to be told (me being a huge FFVIII-fan), I wish it was sunday again!!!

Dammit, I missed the last part, now I have to wait until I get home.

Actually I found the FFVII part quite weak, I really enjoyed all the previous episodes bt this didn't do much for me. I'm suprised to see FFVIII and FFIX in the same episode and I do look forward to next weeks episode. I do wonder what all the other episodes will be on. Yeah, sure, you have a lot of the side games, but none of them really deserve their own episode IMO (Except maybe Tactics... damn I want to play it). I think another episode or two will be on the remakes, because although they were mentioned in the revious episodes, it didn't go into too much details.

Still it's a nice series, I think the best episodes are behind us now, but it's still an interesting watch.

OMFG DOUBLE POSTING, FOR SHAME FLAME, FOR SHAME.

Unlike Flame here, I liked the FFVII episode. Honest to god, it not only gave me a nostalgia rush but also made me concede that some of the things that were in the game were truly groundbreaking and great. I had forgotten that before FF FMVs cut the game shortly when shown and were never in sequence with the in game graphics but not on FFVII and in 1997 nevertheless. I think that what spoiled it for me was the fanboyism from dudes that claim is the best FF when VI, X and Tactics were more solid games, and the fact that I played FFVIII before so it desensitized me as naturally is not as polished as VIII.

I cant wait for the next, FFVIII is my favourite game, sadly they will not devote an entire episode to it.

I am glad they kept things at a normal level and started bragging on how amazing this game was. It was an interesting watch and it gave me a little more 'respect' to the game.
They showed what FF VII had done and that is all it did.

I am dissapointed that FF VIII and FF IX are in the same episodes. They are my 2 favourite Final Fantasy games and I had rather seen them having their own episode as well.
Come on, they are at episode VI and they are going to do 13 episodes. What on earth are they going to cover?

They cover remakes and spinoffs alongisde the original games. God knows what they are gonna do. Lets see, if VIII and IX get one episode, X gets its own, XI doesnt deserve one all for its own, XII i guess does, then Tactics with one episode with the remake and FFTA, then FF legends and all that crap could be covered in one, I am left with 10 episodes.

What else is there? Fanboyism? Cultural impact? What?

It's a little stupid to speculate in it, but... what the heck!

starting after Part VI

VII - FFX (2/3) + FFX-2 (1/3)

VIII - FFXI

FFIX- FF crystal chronicles (1/2) + spinoffs (1/2)

FFX - FFT (1/2) + FFTA (1/2)

FFXI - FFXII

FFXII - Anime/movies (ok, this one was out of the blue!!!)

FFXIII - about the whole series! + future releses

Most of it seem reasonable, or...?

Some of the information presented isn't quite accurate, but it's mostly just minor things. Definitely gives you that feeling of nostalgia.

I like how they don't go all out and say that its the best in the series, but is easily most popular, but you could tell how all the fanboys felt, as the video is rated 10 out of 10 (I think the others were in the 9's). I thought it was pretty good, and it didn't go overboard saying how amazing VII was.




As was said before, I really hope they don't do a whole episode about XI. I personally think that Tactics deserves its own (with its new type of gameplay for the FF series, its huge story, and other things) I think its deserving, but it wasn't as well received by critics as games in the main series. I still like this whole retrospective thing a lot, and its nice to have the metroid retrospective going on at the same time.

From the looks of it, they're also doing every handheld title, the obscure Legends trilogy and Adventure included. Mystic Quest and a few of the Chocobo spinoffs I saw as well.

It's pretty enjoyable so far. I've liked the way they've handled each installment so far, with a good amount of depth, so I'm looking forward to Part VI.

I feel similarly, and I think it's because unlike the previous 6 games, there wasn't much for me to learn about FF7. It's the one we hear the most about, it's received however many spinoffs, and generally it wins all the FF popularity contests. So I think a part of me was just kinda sick of it, so the FF7 episode of this just didn't feel as satisfying, you know?

I am against sequels to Final Fantasy games in game form, but Advent Children was pretty neat.

Love gametrailers, especially their top 10s or Video Game Vault videos. Did they do the Legend of Zelda history videos, ya kno the 6 part series?
I get fuzzy feelings when I see the video game vault videos and I go crazy when my #1 type of game or character gets the #1 spot. Like TMNT: Turtles in Time for best beat-em up I think, I went nuts and almost smashed my laptop I was so excited. Theres something about watching videos that hits you more than just reading about top 10s(GameFAQs) or reading the history of final fantasy vs. watching the history of final fantasy.

Anyways I got to get to watching these.
My opinion on FF7:still a fan of it, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and you're damn right I played FF4 & FF6 before 7 loved them and thought 7 was a pretty cool transition, that's what I liked the transition, I thought squaresoft did my favorite series correctly. The fanboys ruin the game as it is easily accessible and people rant & rave about it. But truthfully it is a good game(minus the ending) and it disappoints me that veterans who did like FF7 when it came out, hate it because of how many people like it. This happens a lot with movies(Pulp Fiction is a great example) and music(people saying over & over how overrated Led Zep & Hendrix are). It's just funny to me, because I know that the haters are just as bad as the fanboys and seem to all follow the haters. I still love FF7

Fanboys only a ruin a game if you let them ruin a game. THe mass hysteria of other people shouldn't affect how a game affects you personally. If you like the music, then it's good music. If you sympathize with the characters, then they're good characters, if you're interested in the plot, it's a good plot.

Don't let mass hysteria and raving about Sephiroth make him any less of a villain in your eyes, look at things from your own perspective and shape the game in that image.

I hear this all the time, bout how fanboys have ruined games, but that's just not true, it's just an excuse for something. How everybody feels about a game shouldn't affect how you feel about it, just like anythign in else in life.

It is not? I can name a few example that would make perfect sense. For example talking to some other Final Fantasy fans and listening to them bragging about FF VII. Then you in the conversation that FF VII was a decent game, but that your prefer FF IX.
Then you get a 3 page rant about how Sephiroth owns Kuja and how Cloud is god and Zidane a wimp. It is indeed the mass hysteria that keeps on bragging the game.
So they keep bragging about FF VII and bashing the other RPG's at the same time, so it is easy to dislike FF VII for that.
That and I say it again, i never liked FF VII that much.

Technically is the guys from Screw Attack that do the top 10s and Video Game Vault, Stuttering Craig and Handsome Tom. And yes it was gametrailers who did the Zelda retroespective.

I still disagree, if you liked FFVII then hearing people rave about it shouldn't make you like it any less. In your example you're talking from the POV that you think FFVII is "decent", and ppl start putting down your favorite because they like theirs better. But the fact they put down FFIX shouldn't take away that you think that FFVII is decent.

This is after hearing that Final Fantasy VII is GOD for years and years and years and years. You do get fed up with it at some point.
It is how it goes in many situations, fashion being an easy example.
People do have an effect on your taste and preferences, or did this never happened to you? If not, then I call you a liar.
Of course you should always have your own opinion, but as time goes, that opinion changes. It changes as your grow mature/age or when you communicate with people.

Double Penetration has a point and I share his problem with the fanboyism for FFVII. It certainly drains a game of appeal if all the fans simply rave about it subjectively every time. There is a line between really liking something and be completely blinded by it and thats the problem with FFVII and its fans. They overrated the game too much and it affects your views simply because when you hear time and time again how something is T3H4W3S0M3, you get a little doubt in your system and you go remember the game and find out that what they are praising about, wasnt really that good and when you are flodded with biased opinions, it pisses you off.

My favourite game is Xenogears and I think that the main two characters were kinda sucky, I would still rate the game a perfect 10 but if you told me that Fei was a simple character, I would agree with you. This wouldnt happen with a FFVII lover and Cloud, ##### no, Cloud is the best character ever made, his personality was totally originally stolen from Zack, he has a radical spikey hairdo which is the tits and carries a big sword, AWESOME. But he isnt, he is wooden and simple and I couldnt give two shits about him. True, he is not the worst main character in an FF game, thats Butz and/or Squall, but he is still leagues behind somebody like Yuri from Shadow Hearts or Shion in Xenosaga Episode 1. You have to care about the characters in your games, we left Kansas a long time ago i left behind the days when a little pixelated square was your character. Cloud falls flat.

A lot of the things that are praised about FFVII have been done better on other games and even other final fantasies both before and after FFVII.

Yeah but it doesn't mean you have to HATE a game for it, just means that you hate fan boys that don't think rationally, it shouldn't take away from the wya you feel about the game.

And pes, yes people's judgements have affected things I've liked, I'm just saying that it shouldn't.

Wether it should or not is not really the matter here.
It is human nature and it will happen anyway. Same with for example food. If you eat the same food every single day, you get really tired of it and start disliking it.
I can see why you think it shouldn't affect, but it simply does. Even your style of dressing is affected by other media than yourself.

I completely agree with Lagunawannabe other peoples fanaticism shouldn't have any affect on a personal opinion, I don't think it has on mine, and like I said on an earlier post I could care less if someone didn't like FFVII in fact most my buddys don't even like videogames full stop but that doesn't change who I am or how I think.

Disliking FFVII because everyone else likes it is like saying because you see constant praise for Suikoden II in just about every RPG forum there is, then Suikoden II suddenly stops being a good game for just for that reason. It's the same for movies none of my friends like Star Wars either but I still like it and their opinions don't affect mine at all and why should it? If the crazy fanboys annoy you then just ignore them, that's what I do.

Personally it seems to be the haters that seem to be the ones who rant on and on about FVII (more so than the fanatics in my experience) trying to prove to everyone how bad it is especially in these forums. In my experience the fanaticism seems to have switched roles on FFVII except in reverse, a good example is someone else on these boards even expected me to be insulted by remarks made against the game, I just thought "um yeah ok", to me that's just nuts.

So, you say that your opinion on whatever has never changed due to other people's comments? I am sorry, but I am not buying that.
Even by watching tv your opinion can get altered. Even by reading reviews your opinion can get altered.

As far as media is concerned no I haven't changed my opinion. I may have been "encouraged" or manipulated to do certain things by my wife if that's what you mean but other that have never changed my opinion on a movie, game, music based on what everyone else has been telling me. I can certainly tell you straight up that just because some idiots rant on about FFVII being the sh! t from god won't suddenly stop me liking it.

If I enjoy something or not then why should I let other peoples negative or positive views change that? As for reviews or comments I usually take them with a pinch of salt or at best as guidelines on what to expect from the game, movie etc, I make up my own mind all by myself when I play the game or watch the movie, I can't see what you find so difficult to comprehend about that?

Two examples - Gears Of War on the 360 everyone raved about that game saying it was the best shooter out there, with scores like 10/10 etc, I played it myself and other than the graphics, I couldn't see what the fuss was about, and the spotless reviews won't suddenly change my mind either, then you take the crappy reviews Just Cause got they didn't stop me from thoroughly enjoying it, I didn't care if most people thought it was crap because I personally liked it. I would like to think after 28 years I can make up my own mind about something like games or movies.

Like I said in my last post taking your favourite game as an example just because Suikoden II gets huge praise all over the place it doesn't stop it being a good game all of a sudden does it?

oh man



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No Pes is absolutely right that it's only human nature to dislike something when lots of people immediately silence you if you have a different opinion, but the thing you should dislike is the fanboys, not the game. It shouldn't make you hate Sephiroth because some people are all over his sh*t. Like me personally, I don't think he's anything near the greatest villain, but I DO think he's extremely cool for fanboy reasons, and although I hear people flame me all the time for it, it doesn't change the fact that i DO think he's pretty cool.

But hey, we should prolly get back on topic llol

These things happen all the time cloudycat.
I am not saying you are not able to think on your own, but people have diffirent point of views. I am not even saying it has to come from bashing, in any conversation about a subject with two diffirent parties there can be a line that makes you think, hey he is right.
That particular line has the power to change your view. I am not saying it will go from left to the far right, I am saying it will affect you and your opinion.

Why do you think (at least it sounds to me) it as if it is something bad? If you have your own opinion, it doesn't mean it is sacred or anything.
Your own opinion is the thing you feel most comfortable with, this can be for various reasons, for example fanboyism or simply because you don't know any better.
There are many factors that can change your point of view about certain subjects. Same with for example the popular kids and the bullies at high school.
To me, it seems like you think that if 10 people say b and you say a, it will somehow force you in thinking b as well.
It is not what I meant.

As I already stated, I never had FF VII in high regard. I was eager to play the game, because everyone kept ranting about how god it was.
I had already played FF VIII and IX and felt majorly disappointed. That is what ruined the game for me.

Pesmerga is right in that your opinion and likes changes overtime and you may not like what you once did before. But it's not necessarily from popularity. For some people it might be in one's own further insight on a video game or other product allowing them to decide that they are not a fan of the video game or other product. Your peers do affect a lot of what you do(especially during jr. high and high school). But in college, I've stopped all that bs. And while for a time I did agree w/ the masses or got tired of all the fanboys. However, I'll rock on with The Mars Volta or oldies when every1 else on my floor is bumping hip-pop, I've just stop caring on what they all think, and prefer to like what I originally liked.

Styles and opinions are definitely affected this is true, but I still think you can kee to your favorites if you want. I mean I've liked Chrono Trigger as my favorite game since they day I opped it in my SNES, that was 12 years ago, IMO that game is the best and I've never wavered no matter what new games people rave about or how many people say CT isn't that great. I'm over it.

I have the same with the Suikoden franchise, especially with Suikoden I and II. They have remained my favourites for around 10 years.
But even then your opinion can change. I played games I wasn't on planning first, I simply played them because some friends told me to play it, even though I wasn't interested in the game at first.

Well, tonight is a new retrospective episode containing my two favourite Final Fantasy games. I am very interested in what they're going to say about this.

Edit:

Finally saw the FF VIII and FF IX one, which was uploaded a day too late. Nevermind that.

First of all, they hit Final Fantasy VIII pretty good. Though everything that was mentioned in that part was already known to me.

Next Final Fantasy IX. In my opinion they totally screwed up this part. What a shame. First of all, they mentioned several names wrong, including Zidane (Zydane wtf..?), Kraken and Maliris plus they left out several things, such as the Chocobo Hot & Cold race and instead talked about the Tetra Master. Heck, nothing is even shown about the Chocobos in FF IX at all, while it is the biggest side quest there is.
They also mentioned Garland, Kuja and Terra very little. So they really ruined it on FF IX.
As expected, FF X gets its own part.

Finally, checked all sunday, almost going nuts at why they hadn't put it up!!!

oh but what joy it was to see it!

anyway... I agree with Pesmerga, FFVIII was great and wide in content about the game, while FFIX feelt like it was made in a haste!

feel't like they took in lesser things and left out more interesting parts! (even I, who isn't a huge fan of FFIX, can say that)
we're they to busy to bring in element similar to FFVIII as something to compare too?

it was first when I read your post, pesmerga, I noticed the pronouncing, it was strange!!!

Last, I liked the comment they put with this part

I think I understand what you are trying to say, the fanboys had your expectations set too high before you played the game, which in that regard I can see your point. I just thought you originally disliked it simply because it was a popular game rather than base your opinion on its quality, and that was something I couldn't really understand,

Yeah, I just saw the retrospective I quite enjoyed it but I just wished it was a little bit longer. I don't think they should have rushed through the two games in 16 minutes, I won't be impressed if they dedicate one whole episode to FFXI.

Oh, my apologies. I can see what caused the confusion.
What I meant was:

"I never had much on Final Fantasy VII, I never played it and didn't really cared. I was happy with VIII and IX, as well as IV and VI.
Than I heard about FF VII and asked some information about people. I heard so much ranting about how perfect it was and that set the expectation bar really high. Which ended up in me being disappointed, after all, the first FF you play is your favourite, it is how the rule goes.
Now, everytime I hear fanboys ranting about how perfect this game is, I can only think: "Ugh!"
Gamefaqs is also a good help in me disliking it more, because of the ridiculous amount of fanboyism on that site, it really baffles me."

This is what I meant