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Athrun




Scan: http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_21896.html

Interesting scan. It shows a new character. I assume he is one of the knights from the special ending. But I'm not sure who he is talking to. It looks like someone wearing Xehanort's Heartless clothes, and Diz red headgear.

Anyway, I could't make out much about the story yet, but the DS game "358/2 Days", will focus on Roxas and the XIII Order. The PSP game "Birth by Sleep", will focus on the three pupils trying to find their master, Xehanort.


Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep - a new PSP sequel following the story of Kingdom Hearts II, the protagonist is a new character
Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days - a Nintendo DS version of the game, featuring Roxas from KH2 as the protagonist. The game will be in full 3D, and supporting 4 player simultaneously.
Kingdom Hearts: Coded - a mobile version based on Kingdom Hearts 1.
Manc
I made a serch on Wikipedia

KH: Birth by Sleep
May have spoilers or clue about the secret ending in KH2 (my own guess)

(highlight)this one appears to be a prequel to the first KH, the story revolves around three Keyblade apprentices in search of a missing Keyblade master!

KH: 358/2 Days

This game appears to be about Roxas, from when he was born to the events of KH2

KH: Coded
King mickey creates a virtual world based on Jiminy crickets records to solve Sora's and the others torments.

not much info but always something!

too bad i don't own a portable!
Dragon Brigade
Fascinating. I just bought a DS yesterday, so now I can actually feel more hyped about upcoming DS games. I haven't even finished Kingdom Hearts II, but if KH: 358/2 Days covers Roxas' life before KH 2, I don't suppose I'd need to finish the second game before I'd play it (I say this because I assume I won't have beaten KH2 even by the time this game comes out. I've been slacking.) Of course, I'd love to be able to play Birth by Sleep as well since it's a sequel, but I can live with 358/2 Days =) I'm definitely interested in these games at the very least, so I look forward to more info as it comes out.
LagunaWannabe
A KH2 SEQUEL? interesting. Especially if there are new characters. Frankly, I'm not surprised, I'm almost delighted. I just hope it doesnt take 3 years for the thing to come out, because I know Nomura hasn't even started the production of KH3, so this is just like, a big tease.
Athrun
Actually, both the DS and PSP games are prequels time line wise, but I think sequel is a much more appropriate way to describe the PSP game, Birth by Sleep. Even if it happens before Kingdom Hearts 1, we were not meant to know about the three knights story until after finishing KH 2. And since it revolves arround them then it's a sequel to the story from KH 2.

- Square Enix revealed new details on Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep for PSP, the game will have 3 new protagonists and 3 pertinent scenarios, the lead character is named Thera, who has a history with Xehanort. The story takes place before Kingdom Hearts 1; and the game is being developed by the Crisis Core: FFVII team, the release date is summer 2008.

- Square Enix revealed new details on Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days for NDS, the story will take place in the events of Kingdom Hearts II, the protagonists are Axel and Roxas, who work for Organization III, the theme is darker than KH2, and the game will have a four player mode.
Alazuli
Terra looks like a cross between Zack and Cloud. @____@

Some story info on all three games, courtesy of kh2.co.uk.

QUOTE
KINGDOM HEARTS: BIRTH BY SLEEP (PSP)
Story & Information
The legendary Keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power.
Some legends say that long ago, its wielder saved the world, while some say that he brought chaos and ruin upon it.
(Ansem Report 8)

Before Sora gained the Keyblade, there were many "Keyblade Masters" in the world.
One of those Masters, Master Xehanort, and his only disciple suddenly disappears, an omen of the great disaster that would subsequently erupt.
And as soon as one Master realises this, he tells his three disciples that they must track down Master Xehanort at all costs...

This is a story of awakening, one which connects to the grand beginning of the Kingdom Hearts story.

The PSP's high-level graphics ability is taken to its very limits.
A new set of three protagonists compose three different scenarios.
The controls, system and graphics follow those of the series so far, while at the same time bringing a whole new feeling to the system!
Directed by Tetsuya Nomura & Tomohiro Hasegawa

KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 DAYS (Nintendo DS)
Story & Information
Twilight Town.
As always, Roxas and Axel are watching the sun from the clock tower.
Their mission as members of the Organization: find and destroy Heartless, and collect their hearts.
And at the end of that mission, they always meet up at that clock tower, eat ice-cream together and chat about the day's missions.

"Do you know why the evening sun is red? It's because light has lots of colours, and of all of those, red reaches us from the furthest away."
"What're you getting all proud about, Axel?"

Two who should not have hearts, continuing to engage in their exclusive conversation.
This is the untold story of Roxas's time in Organization XIII...

In single player mode, go and explore all of the Disney worlds! Then in multiplayer mode, go and do missions with your friends!
Directed by Tetsuya Nomura & Tai Yasue

KINGDOM HEARTS: CODED (Mobile)
Story & Information
This story revolves around a single fragment of Jiminy Cricket's "Jiminy Memo".
Following the events of "Kingdom Hearts II", Jiminy returns to Disney Castle. Jiminy has been reading his memo along the way, and a single page makes him stop in his tracks.

This page contains a mysterious message:
"We have to go back, to heal their pain."

But no matter how much he racks his brains, he can't remember what the page is referring to.
The King turns the Jiminy into data, and begin to investigate. And in a world traced by the Jiminy Memo, the Destiny Islands, a sleeping boy awakens.
Thus Sora's new adventure in the Data World begins.

An unlimited range of Disney worlds, distributed to your mobile phone.

An adventure spanning across many diverse, rich Disney worlds.
A new system and new graphics put high-end mobile phones on the same level as game consoles!
Our first collaboration with Disney's Internet division, the Disney Internet Group.


Here's also a pic of the official artwork at TGS2007:

---Taken from KHManiacs.Com

Translation of the scan Hiku posted:
QUOTE
- Terra is featured, wearing a different outfit (KH2:FM+ Character)
- We also see the Unknown Bald Man talking with Terra.
- More images of Roxas and King Mickey
- Scan states expect footage of this game at TGS 2007
- Organization XIII Meeting: "The Keyblade's chosen one..."
- Bald Man: "I believed you would arrive..."
- Terra: "What have you done to his/her heart!"
- Roxas: "He said he'd seen me before."
- Mickey (with Sora): "On that day, I was here too."
- Mickey (with Jiminy Cricket): "A passage one cannot remember..."

---Taken from KH2.co.uk

....D: Now this gives me another reason to have to go and get myself a PSP.
Athrun
Nice stuff Zuli. What surprises me is that Roxas is with the two other knights.



I guess that means that the blonde knight might have been Roxas after all? But Nomura said they were all new characters and he hadn't even thought of names for them until recently so that doesn't make a lot of sense if what he said was true.

And because this supposedly takes place before KH 1, and it has Roxas, it makes even less sense.
LagunaWannabe
QUOTE
- Square Enix revealed new details on Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days for NDS, the story will take place in the events of Kingdom Hearts II, the protagonists are Axel and Roxas, who work for Organization III, the theme is darker than KH2, and the game will have a four player mode.


Darkerside. Hell yeah. The darker side was so much cooler and more believable than the happy side ololl..


BUT, Hiku, I'm not concerned that Roxas is on one side. Look at the OTHER side of the picture:




Seriously though, look at him. His hairstyle is NEARLY identical to Roxas'. AND he's wielding Sora's keyblade. What's up with that??? It DEFINITELY doesn't look like Roxas either, the cowlicks are different, the facial expression is not one Roxas wears, and the hair is longer too.


I'm officially confused now anyways. And so when Nomura releases this, I hope it's a stroke of genius that NOBODY could have guessed instead of some complete random turnaround stupid twist that makes little sense.
Athrun
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Sep 21 2007, 09:27 PM) *
BUT, Hiku, I'm not concerned that Roxas is on one side. Look at the OTHER side of the picture:




Seriously though, look at him. His hairstyle is NEARLY identical to Roxas'. AND he's wielding Sora's keyblade. What's up with that??? It DEFINITELY doesn't look like Roxas either, the cowlicks are different, the facial expression is not one Roxas wears, and the hair is longer too.

Lol, that is Roxas. The game is about him and Axel's time in Organisation XIII. Nothing strange about that is it?
I don't think a smile makes him a different person. XD

But you don't find it strange that Roxas is a part of the Knights group, before he was born?
Roxas was created when Sora lost his heart in KH 1, but the Knights story apparently takes place before KH 1.
LagunaWannabe
I don't know man.... that's a drastic hair change hahaha. It really does look altogether different.

Here's the reason why I'm skeptical. Nomura designs most of the characters for Final Fantasy nowadays correct? Look at the difference between Cloud in Advent Children and in Crisis Core. Look at the differences in Sephiroth over years. Or Zack. Or Aeris. Or Hojo. Or Genesis (Crisis Core compared to DoC). Reno and Rude don't look different. Look at FFXII in the flashbacks of certain characters. Their character art doesn't change THAT MUCH over time. Hardly at all I'd say. Granted the only real one who changes a lot is Vincent but that's only because he was a different person as a Turk than as the current Vincent. Tseng as well, his hair gets shorter, but other than that, Nomura doesn't really mess with his character designs over time. I can't see why he'd do it for Roxas.


And frankly, no it doesn't really surprise/bother me that Roxas i with the knights, ever since the secret ending came out I believed Roxas to be one of the knights. I think there's some loophole in hearts, what happens when u lose ur heart, the concept of body/mind/soul and we don't know anything about the Knights in particular so it's not like we can begin to guess what kind of theories may come around.

I dunno, I'm not surprised, yet I don't have an answer for it. I studied the ansem reports from both games multiple times taking notes and outlining and all I ended up doing was making my brain hurt. I gave up, and now I'm just gonna let Nomura do his thing.
Dragon Brigade
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Sep 21 2007, 02:27 PM) *
QUOTE
- Square Enix revealed new details on Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days for NDS, the story will take place in the events of Kingdom Hearts II, the protagonists are Axel and Roxas, who work for Organization III, the theme is darker than KH2, and the game will have a four player mode.


Darkerside. Hell yeah. The darker side was so much cooler and more believable than the happy side ololl..





Axel was one of my favorite Nobodies. I didn’t get far in KH2, so I don’t know if he came back after the beginning part, but I think it’d be cool to follow his story in the DS version. As for it being a “darker” side, from what I played in KH 2 that was much more fun following than when everything got all “bouncy and cheery”. Basically what Laguna said, it was cooler and seemed more believable.
Athrun
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Sep 21 2007, 09:50 PM) *
I don't know man.... that's a drastic hair change hahaha. It really does look altogether different.
I can honestly say I don't think it's different at all. I really don't know what you are refering to.

Here's the reason why I'm skeptical. Nomura designs most of the characters for Final Fantasy nowadays correct? Look at the difference between Cloud in Advent Children and in Crisis Core. Look at the differences in Sephiroth over years. Or Zack. Or Aeris. Or Hojo. Or Genesis (Crisis Core compared to DoC). Reno and Rude don't look different. Look at FFXII in the flashbacks of certain characters. Their character art doesn't change THAT MUCH over time. Hardly at all I'd say. Granted the only real one who changes a lot is Vincent but that's only because he was a different person as a Turk than as the current Vincent. Tseng as well, his hair gets shorter, but other than that, Nomura doesn't really mess with his character designs over time. I can't see why he'd do it for Roxas.

I'd love to agree on that one, but I hate to say that I see nothing different about him at all. I don't know what you are refering to as "THAT MUCH". It's only a different angle, but that pretty much always happens with new scans.



The hair length, and hair style is 100% identical on every single feature. As you can see, Roxas hair is spiky all over, even in the back. That's why I mentioned different angles before.



But if I were you I'd be more concerned with why Xemnas is now white and not darkskinned. XDD



Or perhaps the true identity of this person with much longer hair and more matured face than Riku.
It must be an imposter! XD

But seriously, I think you're just reading waaaaaaay too much into a smile and a few hairstraws. It's just new artwork. They like to draw the characters from different angles, in new outfits or different expressions. But that's clearly Roxas.
LagunaWannabe
Hush.


haha point taken, i gotcha man, it just looks much older and different (for the better though). Like now when i REALLY look at it, yeah it looks like Roxas, but i dunno, at first when I saw it, he looked different enuf that it didn't strike me immediately
Athrun
Well, putting the hair angle fascination asside for a while and focusing on the time traveling Roxas instead. =p

I was surprised with it being Roxas because Nomura said it's completely new characters. In the past when he commented on Deep Dive, he said that "one of them is Riku" when asked about it. But this time what he said doesn't seem to match what we are seeing now. So yeah, I'm surprised.
Perhaps it's not actually Roxas though, who knows. But assuming that he is, I wonder how he can exist in a time before he was born. Maybe the Nobodies all end up in different times, and Xemnas is somehow able to bring them together? Who knows with all his strange devices underneath their headquarters. The chair he sits in to "sleep" in Final Mix, and talking to one of the Knights armors.
LagunaWannabe
I'll quote myself for effect

QUOTE
And frankly, no it doesn't really surprise/bother me that Roxas i with the knights, ever since the secret ending came out I believed Roxas to be one of the knights. I think there's some loophole in hearts, what happens when u lose ur heart, the concept of body/mind/soul and we don't know anything about the Knights in particular so it's not like we can begin to guess what kind of theories may come around.


Nomura said they're ALL new characters, so I believe him. I bet there's some plothole or concept that we haven't thought of yet. ANd it's really impossible to tell right now. All we can do is hope that new information is given out SOMETIME within the next 5 goddamn years because it sure looks like KH3 isn't coming around anytime soon lol.

Or... Nomura lied. Has anyone ever done that before? You know, just to throw off fans? I mean, it's not illegal if he lied, just kinda sh*tty lloll
Lost Seraphim
http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/scenario-mysteries-interview/

QUOTE (Scenario Mysteries Interview)


They are indeed all new characters. I'm actually pretty surprised Nomura has leaked so much information this early. He's usually really hush when it comes to such things. I remember before KH2's launch, Roxas' name was being circulated among fans as BHK, simply from the lack of legitimate information, haha.
Athrun
Oh yeah, it was Ven. And I remember seeing Terra's name spelled as Thera somewhere.

Anyway,



Ignore the numbers, but looking at this kids outfit it looks different from Roxas. The top part with the red and black is the same, but the rest of it has some different details compared to pictures of Roxas in KH 2. And especially the gray strap over his shoulder, and the whole right part looks to be gray.

Ohhh, I remember something now!
Remember that Xemnas has some sort of relation to the knights? And remember what he said to Roxas on that beach when they first met? "You look just like him."
It could be that he meant Ven and not Sora.
LagunaWannabe
QUOTE
Ohhh, I remember something now!
Remember that Xemnas has some sort of relation to the knights? And remember what he said to Roxas on that beach when they first met? "You look just like him."
It could be that he meant Ven and not Sora.


HOLY SH*T. Dude you're ABSOLUTELY right. All the fans just ASSUMED he meant Sora, but it was never stated that he was actually talking about Sora. Holy crap, definitely onto something new if that's true.
Athrun
There's also a quote from Alazuli's post as well that may or may not be related to this.

- Roxas: "He said he'd seen me before."

But yeah, it seems like a possibility thatt Xemnas was refering to Ven when he said "He looks just like you."
AnimePaul
QUOTE (Athrun @ Sep 22 2007, 08:53 AM) *
Ohhh, I remember something now!
Remember that Xemnas has some sort of relation to the knights? And remember what he said to Roxas on that beach when they first met? "You look just like him."
It could be that he meant Ven and not Sora.
Then again did anyone here actually think Roxas looked anything like Sora?
LagunaWannabe
Well I thought he kinda did, especially in the Deep Dive videos, at first many of us thought (based on the face), that it WAS Sora. But yeah, I definitely saw some resemblance, but definitely not nearly as much resemblence as Ven and Roxas.
Athrun
QUOTE (AnimePaul @ Sep 22 2007, 08:12 PM) *
Then again did anyone here actually think Roxas looked anything like Sora?

Well I think it was because he said something similar to Sora in KH 1 FM.
"You look like him."

I think that's why people thought Xemnas was refering to Sora when said that to Roxas. But to Roxas he said "just like him". So it could be that he thought Sora looked familiar because he had a keyblade. Because I don't think they look that much alike either besides holding that Keyblade, so I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.

Put their faces next to eachother and the only real resemblence is their eyecolor, which a lot of people share.

QUOTE (Laguna Wannabee)
Well I thought he kinda did, especially in the Deep Dive videos, at first many of us thought (based on the face), that it WAS Sora. But yeah, I definitely saw some resemblance, but definitely not nearly as much resemblence as Ven and Roxas.

Well if Roxas wasn't a main character, and putting the story asside completely, just looking at the two, would you say they looked very similar? Or better yet "just like eachother"? Besides the eyecolor I mean. So lets give Roxas green eyes and Marluxia's haircolor.



If I didn't know the game I would have guessed they are completely different characters. Besides the eyecolor it's basically the art style, which pretty much all characters share so you can tell they are from the same game. That's why Xemnas looks much like Sephiroth and Riku looks like Zexion. Since the facial art style is so similar for many characters, all that separates them is basically hair and eye color.
LagunaWannabe
Actually yeah I'd say they're similar. Roxas is frowning that's all. Give him his blue eyes back and they're pretty similar.

Plus, back then, we didn't see Ven, so the only person we could have thought that looked like him was Sora. And they're supposed to resemble each other, because they're connected to each other. I'm not saying that they're exact, but yes, similar is a good word.
Athrun
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Sep 22 2007, 11:31 PM) *
Actually yeah I'd say they're similar. Roxas is frowning that's all. Give him his blue eyes back and they're pretty similar.

Well a while ago you thought that Roxas was a completely different character just because of those things. A smile and a few hairstraws different, remember?

But that's basically my point. The artstyle for many of the characters is so similar that only the hair and their eyecolor makes the difference. They all have the same face. That's why most people don't think namine and Kairi look similar. But put Namine's hair on Kairi and give her the same eye color and voila. Most of the characters have the same face.
Put Rikus hair on Roras and it would be the same result.

Anyway, let me check something.



Who would you say looks most like Kairi in the game?
LagunaWannabe
Who LOOKS the most like Kairi?? Couldn't tell ya, I think Kairi is pretty unique. I actually don't think Namine looks anything like her either. But there aren't enough female characters to really say who looks like who.
Athrun
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Sep 23 2007, 12:48 AM) *
Who LOOKS the most like Kairi?? Couldn't tell ya, I think Kairi is pretty unique. I actually don't think Namine looks anything like her either. But there aren't enough female characters to really say who looks like who.

Lol, is that so? Well I would probably say that she looks just like Riku. In fact, she IS Riku.





Ta~da! I put Kairi's hair on Riku's face, and changed his eyecolor. I only made his eyebrows darker.
And this is going from a guy to a girl. It's much more simple to make the guys look like eachother. I chose the most difficult example to show you how similar they all look. I can put Riku's hair on Roxas face, or whatever.
Villanelle
Heheh... That was pretty obvious.

I have to say I was disappointed that Roxas didn't get enough face time as he should have in KHII, so I can't wait to see Ven in KHIII. <3

I wonder if he'll have the same voice actor(s) as Roxas?
Athrun
QUOTE (Villanelle @ Sep 23 2007, 12:55 AM) *
Heheh... That was pretty obvious?

What was pretty obvious? That the blonde knight was Roxas?

Well I think I'll believe Nomura when he said that they are completely new characters. It could be that Knight that Xemnas was refering to when he told Roxas "You look just like him."
Villanelle
Oh, no. It was obvious that you put Kairi's hair on Riku's head... Or what I thought was Riku's face on Kairi's head. Either way I knew it was Riku's facial expression, and Kairi's eyes are more violet.


I'm not saying Roxas is Ven, I'm just saying because they look a lot alike, they probably have relations of some sort. I also heard that KHIII takes place father into the future from KHII, so I highly doubt it's Roxas himself.
Athrun
QUOTE (Villanelle @ Sep 23 2007, 01:21 AM) *
Oh, no. It was obvious that you put Kairi's hair on Riku's head... Or what I thought was Riku's face on Kairi's head. Either way I knew it was Riku's facial expression, and Kairi's eyes are more violet.

Yeah it's basically the facial expressions that set them appart. And you're right about the eyecolor. I couldn't get the the right shade of blue, but close enough. Well I probably could, but this was a rush job. Put it together in like 3 minutes. I could have put some rouge on his cheeks and lower lip too. I didn't even downsize his head to match the size of the hair, I just threw it on. But I wanted to keep it as close to Riku as possible to prove my point. Many of the characters share the same faces, just different eyecolor and hair.
So what actually makes the main characters look "different" or "similar" is how close their eyecolor and hair resembles eachothers.

QUOTE (Villanelle)
I'm not saying Roxas is Ven, I'm just saying because they look a lot alike, they probably have relations of some sort. I also heard that KHIII takes place father into the future from KHII, so I highly doubt it's Roxas himself.

Well that game with the Knights takes place before Kingdom Hearts 1. We don't really know the setting for KH 3 yet.
Mushroom
You know, i think that none of you guys have considered aladdin? I mean, it might have been aladdin. He's sneaky. He steals apples. He has a frickin monkey. and a genie~! so he can change his appearence AND hairstyle. See? bet none of you though tof that angle! booyaka!

Ok. So i have no idea where i'm going with this. I just felt left out, and thought i'd pick a disney character and run with it XD rock on KH fans!
LagunaWannabe
good theory, and u know where the stroke of genius came from??? Ur post count. At this very moment, you've posted 1337 times, therefore u are 1337 and pwning all of us in theories.

Athrun, we're such n00bs.
Athrun
Haha, 1337. Anyway Laguna, you didn't reply to my trickery. =p
What do you think of my fake Kairi?



Riku in desguise. _____ Without contacs. ______ Without wig.

Lol, hot chick huh? =p
I only put Kairi's hair on Riku's face, made his eyebrows darker and lowered one. (Because the hair covered it.) I didn't even bother to add rouge to the cheeks or lower lip.
Well the point was, you didn't notice. And that's because they basically have the same faces. What makes them different, (especially guys from guys) is hair and eyecolor. And in that case Roxas looks almost as far from Sora as he possibly can while using the main characters face template, doesn't he? Except for having the same eyecolor. What else could they do to him to make him look more different? It basically comes down to eyecolor and hair. And I guess there are some similarities because he has bright and spiky hair and he has blue eyes. But a lot of other characters share this trait as well.

According to that rule, this is basically a completely new character.



At least if I changed his hairstyle a bit. And if I threw on Zexions hair, people would think it's Zexion.
Mushroom
Gah! I'e ruined it! I could of never post again, but I couldn't handle the pressure sad.gif I will never have anything so interesting to add to the KH forum again. I exile myself for it voluntarily! XD
LagunaWannabe
hahah Athrun I knew it wasn't Kairi's face because of the smirk, but I couldn't tell who's face it was BESIDES Kairi, hence proving ur point anyways. If the face was clearly definable I woulda been able to say who's face it was. Now that I see it's RIku's I know it's obvious, but I know you're right.

gawd.. spoiled winner. lolll
Athrun
Yah exactly. I wanted to keep everything as close to Riku as possible so I didn't change the facial expression, but that's easy to change. And all the characters can do any facial expression they want. We only know them from the ones they use on oiffical artwork though.
I guess you can say that Roxas looks like Sora. But so do Riku, Kairi, Namine, Zexion, etc.
So personally I don't think he looks very much like Sora except for the eyecolor. But if anyone thinks he does I can't say they're wrong either.

Btw, I think my version of Roxas looks way cooler. Marluxia clone ftw. =p Square should take notes. lol
Flame
Whoa... am I in the art forum again or something?

Anyw exciting news? Erm... I guess... just why did they have to release it on the PSP and DS? I mean, I have a DS so I can play one of them (and the one I'm probably a little more interested in at the moment). I thought he said something about dropping either Kingdom or Hearts... so I have a feeling that there is still a 'True' sequel still to come... it'll probably have something to do with the events of whatever happens with the knights and Sora's story.

I honestly think that the game has outgrown Sora, so not seeing him in a KH game doesn't bother me at all... Plus by the forth game he would be a 30 year old heavy smoker just trying to raise his illegitimate children while holding down a job without having to bother with this 'light of the heart' crap. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the mobile game King Mickey makes Sora, Kairi and Riku forget all of the events and live out their childhood unbeknownst even if it DOES all still technically happen. That way they would never have to involve Sora in the storyline again. Although I would like to see Kairi and Riku again. It's not that I don't like Sora, it's just that his character doesn't seem to be able to grow up.
LagunaWannabe
That's exactly it. I was actually really sad that Sora DIDNT grow up. I mean yeah his child-like personality makes the light seem more innocent, but Kairi had a huge change, and RIKU. Holy sh*t Riku shot up like a bean stock and matured to look like he shoulda been with Organization XIII all along, and here's Sora, this short, cartoony character still.

If they drew Sora to look grown up, he would be KICKASS, but they haven't, so I can't say I'm crazy about him until they do. Like, he does nothing "cool" or attractive as a character. And it's totally possible to have a good natured still be cool, look at Zack from FFVII. He's a fun, laughing, open, moral based character, while at the same time still kicking major ass. Sora doesnt kick ass, he just gets his kicked.


Example:

The current Sora:




How Sora should have REALLY looked (Really just Scion from the Bouncer, but the resemblance is ridiculous):







btw Athrun, for our Roxas/Sora debate:




I'd say that they're SIMILAR haha.
Athrun
Nice stuff Bomb, thanks.



Translated the names.





Tera in action. Looks like he doesn't have an MP bar though.



Nice scenes. Not sure who Mickey is meeting in the top picture. Probably Diz.



But this is pretty interesting. The 14th member of the organisation?





Tera and Ven. Tera looks a lot like the original young Xehanort, but with brown hair.





I want to find a translation of the two pictures above. it mentiones a "keyword" spoken by Xemnas in Final Mix that Ven also seems to say in the second picture. Not sure what that word is.



Ven definitely looks a lot like Roxas. And Master Xehanort looks similar to Xemnas.



And according to the magazine scan, it seems that Tera and Ven might be observing Sora and Riku as children.
LagunaWannabe
Agreed that Ven looks likes Roxas and Master Xehanort looks like Xemnas. I'm finally glad the bald guy's name is revealed though, it's just one more piece in Nomura's puzzle.
AbYsS
Ven, to me, looks identicle to Roxas, at least just about. I wonder what type of connectionthose two have. Loveing the O.o look from the old man Xehanort in the scan with both him and Ven XD

Information has been coming out pretty good recently, but I want information on KH3 itself, not the side games, so I am waiting for thats stuff : D
Athrun
Haha yeah, Master Xehanort has some funny facial expressions. I wonder who's in that Red arnir now. And the 14th member of a group called "Organisation 13" doesn't quite seem right.



These three seem to all have the same blue eyes. Don't know if that has any significance. But that reminded me of something.



At the end of the special movie in KH 2 Final Mix, Tera's eyes shift from blue to golden.
And in this scene from KH 2 where Roxas first met Xemnas, his eyes were golden as well.



As far as I know that scene was never really explained. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but if the golden eyes for Tera has some sort of significance, then maybe Roxa's relation to Ven might have something to do with the golden eyes he had in that scene.
LagunaWannabe
THat's not reading into it at all. I've always wondered myself about that scene because it really never WAS explained.

One thing I'm really curious about is:

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media/2007/..._122_1093lo.jpg


What is the translated name next to Master Xehanort's "apprentice"???



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then maybe Roxa's relation to Ven might have something to do with the golden eyes he had in that scene.
what do u mean by that??
Lost Seraphim
The more I look at Tera, Ven and Aqua, the more I wonder if they're somehow linked to Riku, Sora and Kairi, respectively. Their names translate to earth, wind, and water, and Riku, Sora and Kairi's names are land, sky, and sea.

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And according to the magazine scan, it seems that Tera and Ven might be observing Sora and Riku as children.

Which intrigues me even more. And nice observation Hiks, Tera's eyes certainly seem to possess a significance, so that'd be interesting. And yes, I'd really love to find out the name of Master Xehanort's armored apprentice.
Athrun
QUOTE (LagunaWannabe @ Sep 27 2007, 04:17 AM) *
One thing I'm really curious about is:

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media/2007/..._122_1093lo.jpg


What is the translated name next to Master Xehanort's "apprentice"???

I'm afraid all it says is "Mysterious person".

But I noticed something about the girl before, and I forgot to post it, but it's the reason why I excluded her from the translated names above.



It says "Mysterious young girl." So does that mean that her name wasn't confirmed to be Aqua? Perhaps it was just fan speculation? In that case I'm guessing Gaia or Luna.

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then maybe Roxa's relation to Ven might have something to do with the golden eyes he had in that scene.
what do u mean by that??

Well I was thinking that whatever happened to Tera's eyes might be something that his two friends can do as well. And since Roxas has some sort of relation to Ven (obviously), that might be why his eyes turned golden when he first met Xemnas as well. I don't know, I was just wondering if there would be an explanation for that scene.
LagunaWannabe
Hmmm i gotcha Athrun... Crap, I'm at a loss, but i never felt the glowing yellow eye was explaiend, because i's clearly a defining feature. It must have something to do with Tera's
Athrun
I found a translation of the interview from the magazine, and he doesn't seem to mention her name in it.

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Interviewer:So what about the development of Birth by Sleep?

Nomura:The developer of re:COM will be working on KH:BBS. During Development, the production of KH:BBS was stopped, for the production of re:COM. At first it felt a bit weird starting the project again. I believe this project started before the other two, of the three Kingdom Hearts games, and I also believe it will be the last to hit the market.


Interviewer: It still relates to Birth of Sleep? (KH2 FM+'s secret ending)

Nomura: The Secret Ending, is an image for a scene in BBS, therefore the title of the game is also the same. However because it is difficult to express a violent battle as a playable content, The Secret Ending, is an image to the end. (Is he hinting that this is how BBS will end or something else?)


Interviewer:How much talk was put into it, for this, as it seems to be the past to the "KH" Series.

Nomura: The game is the farthest in the past timeline of Kingdom Hearts, and will take 10 years ago from the KH series. There is a screenshot of two children playing on the beach, and I believe the fans can understand what that means.


Interviewer: In the Story it's said that "Three Scenarios spelt by Three Heroes". Is there a relation between each scenario?

Nomura:: There are three Heroes, Terra, Ven, and another character in KHBBS. A story is already prepared for all three of them. Therefore in a way you can say three games were made at the same time. (Laughs) It's difficult to zap through the explanation right now due to Scenario creating. However the beginning will be a bit hard to understand, but by completing all three Scenarios you will understand the entire story.


Interviewer: Do the names of the three heroes represent something?

Nomura: In Kingdom Hearts, Sora meant Sky, Riku meant Land, and Kairi meant Sea. In this game, the three meanings make a large impact on the game.


Interviewer: Are all three Scenarios happening around the same time?

Nomura: All of the Scenarios do take around the same time, however there are also some gaps between the timelines. Also there are times when all three heroes will meet.


Interviewer: Is the playing order decided yet?

Nomura: I believe it would be better if we gave the players a freedom of choice. However this is still being talked about, but I believe it would be better to choose whoever you want out of the three.


Interviewer: What place is the story's viewpoint from.

Nomura: To bring a point. The word that comes up in Kingdom Hearts 2, is Xehanort. The game will bring up answers to several things though like. "Why is the Elderly person who appears in BBS bring up the same name?" and "Why is he wearing the same clothes as Ansem in KH1?" Another thing I want to bring up is that Ven has the same hairstyle, face, clothes, and voice to Roxas who appears in the Kingdom Hearts series. Who is he?

Interviewer: Is the voice actor of Ven the same as Roxas?

Nomura: Yes, it is the same actor. Therefore the person who played, will only look at Ven as Roxas from KH2.

However, is Roxas and Ven really the same character?

Moreover, what's the mystery for the existence of Ven, and Roxas?

These are keys that can be fully understandable, when playing KH:BBS. You will be able to seperate Ven from Roxas with ease, I will hint though by connecting the Story between Roxas and Sora, you will understand who Ven is.


Interviewer: May I believe that the one you fight in KH2FM+, and Terra are the same person? Because they both use a very similar kind of Keyblade.

Nomura: If they really are the same person, or not is uncertain, though it doesn't matter if you think they are the same person.


Interviewer: In BBS, after all three are divided, the king appears?

Nomura: It may be deeply related to the story, however I cannot tell rather or not that is a "King" from that current age. This is because the development of BBS will be a very serious story.

Interviewer: In BBS is the gameplay done by choosing action commands lined up in command list?

Nomura: I believe it is neccessary to say first. The Command Menu that was shown to the public (A.K.A scans, and video) has now changed. A system close to that of re:COM has been created successfully feeling like a command deck. However the present screenshots show it was a bit too close to the idea of re:COM. The battle screens you see in the images now, have already been changed. However the operating sense is similar to that of the Kingdom Hearts series. The gameplay has a slight influence from the DS game "It's a Wonderful World"


Interviewer: Are there any features for the Growth System? (Leveling System)

Nomura: A new Growth System has been added into the game, it is when you have to match four obligations with the scenario (?). We tried this variously because it was a bit hard with the PSP. However we made the best use of it's Analog.


Interviewer: Are there new enemies you can confirm that are not shown in the screens?

Nomura:The new enemy is not a Heartless, or a Nobody. Because the story takes place before even they appear. I can give out more information little by little as time passes, an example being like the Shadow enemies that are heartless, and the Dusk enemies that are nobodies.


Interviewer: With the PSP will it be possible for two people to Communicate by any connection method?

Nomura:: It's too early to answer that however, there will be some features that will be taking advantage of the PSP.

Source: kh-vids.net

He refered to her as "another character", so I guess that means he hasn't revealed her name yet. Either he hasn't thought of what to name her yet, or her name will be familiar or some sort of tell, like Roxas was.
I only read the first lines of the interview so far, so I'll edit my post later when I've read the whole thing.
LagunaWannabe
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There are three Heroes, Terra, Ven, and another character in KHBBS


Well, he says those are the three heroes we PLAY as. Maybe we don't play as the female knight, so he wants to keep the 3rd character a secret. If you remember from the Final Mix additional scenes, isn't it the female knight's armor that is lying before Xemnas? Maybe she dies early in the game or something. I don't know exactly, but I know Nomura uses his words wisely, and we already know the ideas of "water, earth, and sky" are very important to the game, so there's no reason to assume that the girl's name isn't something water related.



And I was just thinking about something I hope isn't true.... Xehanort looks an awful lot like Terra right?? Well, I hope that Terra wasn't defeated, and came back thinking that he was somehow Master Xehanort (i.e. pulling a Cloud Strife, thinking that he's Zack). It woulda kinda make sense that if Terra thought he had Xehanort's memories that he would get a costume looking like Ansem, cause that was the costume he thought he USED to wear. I honestly don't know why I'm typing this, more just bouncing ideas around still. F8cking nomura.


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Before Sora gained the Keyblade, there were many "Keyblade Masters" in the world.
One of those Masters, Master Xehanort, and his only disciple suddenly disappears, an omen of the great disaster that would subsequently erupt.
And as soon as one Master realises this, he tells his three disciples that they must track down Master Xehanort at all costs...


HAH!!!!! I bet you ANYTHING, the Master of the three disciples is MICKEY hahahahahhaha. That's why he's looking on the fight, or after the fight, I bet you ANYTHING it's him. IT just makes sense.

And here's the other thing I just thought about, we don't know the identity of Master Xehanort's apprentice. If we were to see his face, I bet it would make a lot sense to the current plotline. I'm sure his apprentice is like, Xehanort in KH2 haha.



AND NEW INFO I FOUND:
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KHN’s Tomogirl has translated a blog user’s descriptions of the 3 Kingdom Hearts Games Trailers shown at the Tokyo Game Show 2007. These trailers are not yet available for view.

The beginning scene is from the ending of Kingdom Hearts to its opening.
Words appear: “Sleep gives birth to the concealed fate in the far past.”
The boy with different clothes, and has the same face as Roxas, is talking to the person known as Terra who has dark hair. The boy who looks like Roxas is called “Ven” by Terra.
????: “Are you the one who, at one time, saved me?”
????: “Ah, promise.”
Terra is shown to continuously face the Elderly Man who appeared in the Secret Movie of Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ in the wilderness. (The voice and appearance of Xehanort is quite different from his appearance in KH although. The Elderly Man is called “Xehanort” by Terra.)
Terra calls out the keyblade in his right hand. (The effect is the same as the man in mysterious armour who “stays put thoughtfully” that appeared in Final Mix+.)
Though Terra is hostile towards the elderly person, Xehanort, the words spoken were used before in defense of Roxas.
Xehanort meets Ven in the Olympus Coliseum. (Additionally, the forest from Sleeping Beauty’s world is shown!)
Ven: “Who? I don’t know you.”
Elderly Man: “Only soon, will you know, and you are asleep.”
Elderly Man: “The one that was lost was to lose, and the one to be obtained was obtained.”
Elderly Man: “You must grab and take it now.”
The Elderly Man waves his hand in a movement as if to summon magic.
Ven watches with an expression that becomes confused with fear.
Afterwards, the world of the wilderness appears again.
The person wearing a black helmet and black clothes (shown in the Final Mix+ Secret Movie) encounters Ven.
The person of mystery blows off Ven.
The King summons and uses the Keyblade to momentarily protect a fallen Ven. (Is the King wearing clothing that hasn’t been seen so far?)
The scene has changed completely to the wilderness, and this time, the Elderly Man starts to appeal for something.
Elderly Man: “Please, I ask of you to correct my mistake!” (The man says more, but the blog user can’t remember what.)
Terra is watching the coast of Destiny Islands.
There are two boys who are playing using wooden swords as Terra watches from a grove. (Sora and Riku?)
Ven is watching from a similar coast. This place isn’t Destiny Islands, but Twilight Town.
Ven: “Because he’s my friend, please erase me.”



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It seems the above three are the full story on the new projects. At the end of the trailers, we see “Hidden” “Days are” “Born from sleep”, words which embody the three trailers. Then we see “The story leads on to an approaching time.” which puts us in mind of the three titles being linked to the next game.



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The video then changes back to Terra battling against a dark figure, whom you can tell is male. This is the same man from the Secret Ending of Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+ that the Old Man creates. Terra is able to forcably get the man’s helmet off, but his face is concealed.

King Mickey is shown summoning his keyblade, and then the scene changes very quickly to Terra on a beach. He seems to be watching two boys play in the ocean. After he rests his weapon into the ground, the two boys he was watching are clearer and they look like Sora and Riku. Soon after, Terra says “Please don’t depend on me, just erase me… friend.” The phrase “Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep” arises, and it is revealed this game is for the PSP.


Since you can get his helmet off, I'm sure he's an actual person, and not just some heartless. Also, I wonder how Terra can be "erased", maybe Terra is a form of Xemnas when he goes to "sleep".

woahhhh... what.


Also, it appears as though we haven't seen the last of Sora:

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So this game will be a side story?
Tetsuya Nomura: “That’s right. My own feelings are that I would like to give Sora a break from large adventures for a little while. So I’m thinking of making the next game’s story focus on other characters.”

So by a little while, do you mean that Sora’s journey from Kingdom Hearts 2 hasn’t finished?
Tetsuya Nomura: “Yes. If you’re talking about the mysteries that started from Kingdom Hearts 1, then those were all revealed. In the ending of Kingdom Hearts II, there was a scene where Sora received a letter from the King; for Sora, I would like you to consider this as a new beginning. The truth is, until the very end, I was considering whether or not to include a scene showing them setting off on a journey after reading the letter.”
Seluna
Why is KH: 358/2 a NDS game?! T-T Now I want a Nintendo DS just to see more Axel. Bad Squenix, bad bad bad. And is Roxas smiling? Urgh, it only makes me want to play the game even more...

Nomura is really being a tease this time. So many theories are going to be floating around for Birth By Sleep, that I don't wan to start speculating, because I know I won't stop. But still...

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Is there a full page scan of this page? Because there are certain words at the side that really bothers me. I spotted the kanji for the word 'younger brother' following the name Terra.
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