Just a general discussion of the topic. What are your thoughts on this? You can already guess mine, but I'll wait for more posts here before I go offending everyone. Not just the morality of it, but ethical and scientific as well, it's not just a "religious" thing. Post away. (Try not to post nasty pictures though..)

I think that abortion is justified, when the woman had been a victim of a rape, or when it's a case, when a 16/17 year old got accidentally pregnant. Though, I don't approve abortion, if the woman is more than 20 years old. (except if it was a result of a rape).
Those are my simple thoughts.

I think its necessary for the protection of women. If they are going to do it, they might as well get it done where it poses no risk to themselves. If those places suddenly become unavailable, they will do it by other means. And harm much more than an unwanted child.

Our morals have no real say in whats essentially a womans choice. I don't think any child deserves to be a "mistake".


20? Thats awfully young, isn't it? Life is just beginning for most people at that age, having to give up your education (and quite possibly career) and scrape by with nothing for the rest of your life for what was essentially a mistake or an accident?

Thats essentially flawed logic. How can you allow one group of people to practice abortion, yet not allow anyone else to? It has to be everyone or no one, otherwise, it wouldn't work.

##### women. Even in a rape case the child's life is more important then the woman's. There's no reason a child should suffer because of something someone else did. Putting it up for adoption sure but just because some guy raped you doesn't mean you can take it out on the child. There are plenty of couples out there who can't have one of their own and would GLADLY take the child out of their hands so there's no excuse. And for the 16 year olds, women's choice doesn't count either. They had the choice to not have sex in the first place, not to have unprotected sex and not to have sex with a guy who would ##### em and leave them. Just because they made a #### decision doesn't mean they can take it out on the child. And What about the guy who help made the child and stayed around to raise it. A man should also have a say in weither or not the child lives or not. Abortion is a selfish horrible thing.

I agree with Cel!!! A baby has a right to live!!! And the father also has the right or duty to be a part of the baby's life! Any man who screwed a woman unprotected must make up for his mistake/wrecklessness.

Going to go out on a limb here, but I say it's justified. As grotesque as it may be or sound, it is unfair to infringe on the rights of the woman in such a manner. I would certainly discourage my partner from getting an abortion, and I would probably not stay with a person who did get one.

But I would not attempt to use the government to take away their ability to do so.

I am against abortion because God said it is bad and I have no mind of my own. I am afraid of the world. I must get all my opinions from a book.

No but really, I'm guessing none of you have ever been in a position where you even had to consider the option, so there's no real point in discussing this. People all over the internet bitch and moan either way when they have no idea what they're talking about.

Infringe? Again, they had the right not to engage in sex in the first place, women shouldn't get a free pass because they didn't prepare for it. I'm thinking about the rape victims still, but why the hell should a woman get to kill the child but a man gets so much ##### for not helping?

and Arish, how else do you expect people to learn about such things if they don't talk about it? Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, it only makes it worse. And for the record, besides maybe Sun, the religious thing doesn't apply to most of us.

The religion thing was nothing but a joke. What I meant by my post was that people can talk about it all they want, until they are faced with something where abortion is one of their options, they won't really know how they'd react. There is a big difference between saying other people made #### choices and making the choice themselves.

For example, I can say immigration should be stopped because like, I dunno, Mexicans are taking jobs from Americans. I wouldn't really know how I felt about it until it impacted my life. Ya know, like, until my job was stolen, or maybe until I have to move to another country because America pays so little (however unlikely the odds of that happening may be).

Perhaps in a situation of life and death for one's self you would be right usually. But I can assume safely that there are people who say they wouldn't and probably wouldn't if the situation comes around. This is a big issue, an issue of life and death, I don't think all of us would so casually kill because it's convenient after vehemently espousing our convictions on the issue, lest we be nothing but a gigantic ball of hypocrisy.



I know you were joking, but seeing atheists and agnostics who aren't for killing babies proves that it is not only religious folk who oppose this, though a valid reason to not support it is "Do not murder." and "Speak for those who have no voice."

My opinion is pro-life. I think life is precious and should not be terminated for convenience or on as a form of birth control, or choice. And I know, this world sucks because you have people who get pregnant from rape. But what is the percentage of women who get abortions due to this? And how many risk their lives to prevent the lives of their children?
It is not acceptable. Now excuse me while I go punch some turtle eggs and shoot dolphins.

Rhadamanthus: I said MORE than 20 year old. I'm not that stupid to not know that, when you are only 20 year old, that you'll probably going to screw up your life. (unless, it's the person's wish to live that way). But for an example, if you are 27, that's quite a good age for having a child in general. Though, that also differs from person to person. ( Depends on how they life is organized financially etc. There are lots of factors). And that is still more than 20 years old. Isn't it?

Before you continue to bash my according to you " flawed" logic, here's the thing:

The government should make abortion legal, because every person on this world has a right to make choices. Though, I think it's a right thing to do for the raped women, 16/17 year olds and such, and not a right thing to do for ladies who have reached the best ages for giving birth. If the woman is older, and she doesn't want a kid, it's better to give the kid for adoption, then to kill it.
Now before you question me about the underaged, let me say, that if a 16/17 year gives a birth and puts her child on adoption, it would cause a huge scandal in her surroundings ( school, etc.) So, it's better to abort ( it could be done without many people knowing), then to skip school because of birth, recovery and to be the main topic of rumours, chritiques, scandal and to be humiliated.
I know, it's still a murder of the kid, but what can you do?

Now about, how can I allow one group to do it, and the others not to: Well, in life nothing is just black, or just white. There are options and factors in everything you decide, and positive and negative things in everithing that happened. Nothing is clear, or perfect... dear Rhadamanthus.

When I post my opinions in threads like these, I expect a certain level of intelligence from the person or persons who reply. You have passed. *applauds*

There are exceptions to everything, everyone should know although many are ignorant to the fact. I think so little of those who don't know that that I won't go out of my way to add "but not in every case" to my posts.

I should debate since it's how we're supposed to in this forum. Did it in the thread we had ages ago though.

I view it as murder though, in any stage.

No, there's no exceptions.

I don't think abortion is justified, whatever the case may be. Every baby has a right to live. I said it in the last thread, but I guess I can say it again. If someone finds themself in this position and they can't take care of a child, instead of aborting it, they should put it for adoption. If adoption is so bad, they should have been more responsible in the first place.

im a firm believer in the idea that if you have a baby YOU take care of it at ALL costs. if you didnt want the baby you shoulda thought of that before doing the nasty. as for rape victims, well.... thats a touchy subject. if you want to keep the baby more power to you. if not adoption is the way. there are a LOT of people looking to adopt so make their day.

I think it should be the woman's choice whether she should abort a pregnancy or not. I don't necessarily agree with abortion at all, I think it's better to just have the baby and give it up for adoption so that it still lives, but I think that if women have to go through childbirth, and especially if it's a kid they don't want (ex: they were raped) or they can't afford to raise a kid properly, I feel like they should have the choice to abort the pregnancy.

Which is exactly why most orphanages are over-crowded and underfunded?
why most people coming from that sort of "lifestyle" turn out to be criminals in the end, unable to give back to their society?
Kids who eventually wind up floating from home to home never having a steady family or place to live, not to mention the human dreck overwhelming the system that only uses their children for paychecks while starving them and abusing them in their homes?

Perhaps my only evidence is anecdotal, through the stories I've heard and the things I've seen, but its been overwhelmingly so. If I were unable to take care of my child, I'd rather it die before it has cognitive thought, rather than throw the poor thing to the wolves. But thats another topic for another day.


Justice is blind. Or at least its supposed to be. Through the eyes of the law, if you were to make it so that only a select group of people can get abortions while no one else can, that would be unfair to all parties involved. However, you weren't implying that so I simply misread your words. I apologize.

Kind of like marriage...but thats, yet again, another topic.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Most orphanages ARE underfunded, but most orphans do NOT end up in a life of crime, unable to give back to their society. Some certainly end up that way, but many others do not. I don't think it's fair to make this argument, because it just simply isn't true.



Again, this is the exception not the rule. Yes, in some instances there are kids who do this, and there are some foster parents who only want the kids for the money and will then abuse them. But there are many GOOD foster parents, many parents who actually want the kids, actually want to provide for them, and actually want to give them a better life. There ARE good people in the world. Again I think it is unfair to make a blanket objection to the entire system, based on a few select (and as you admit, anecdotal) pieces of evidence. These situations do exist, but they are not widespread by any means. Just better publicized.

Are you suggesting we kill all the poor and orphans? Honestly, most of the rich are criminals, they can just buy their way out of jail. Can we kill them too?

we dont kill them. we take care of them by giving them a chance. adoption is not that bad and there are only a small percentage of the foster kids turning out badly. and the poor need help too. we send so much money overseas to help others when we are the ones needing the help

Argh. That's just as much BS as saying all the poor are criminals. What if I replaced "rich" or "poor" with "Hispanic" or "Black." Then I'd be accused of being prejudiced, of being racist.

While rich/poor isn't a race issue, it is STILL prejudiced because you are lumping a group of people together, and saying they all have some kind of negative character trait, which you have no ability to prove and no evidence to support.

Are some rich people criminals? Yes. Are some poor people criminals? Yes. Do many criminals also come from the middle class? Of course.

well first off if your not ready for a baby, dont have one, close your legs. Now there are situations where that is not possible, ie rape, but for the most part teenage pregnancies are the result of young girls not being able to say no, its as simple as that.

on the note of the abortion, the is squarely up to the woman and her situation. If the baby is going to be born into a world where there mother is 15, no support, no future, prolly leave her kid in the backseat of a parked car, etc.. then why not cut out all that hassle and end it before the baby pops out into the world.. why give false hope?..

in the end, the woman should have the choice, the final say so. Why should she give up her future, her dreams, her education because of an accident, rape, etc.? thats just me..

let the woman decide, its her life and its her body..

the close the legs thing works well. nut there is so much pressure on young america to have sex at an early age. all they see is whats on tv, and they are unaware of the risks. and the mother leaves the child to die thats where adoption should step in as an option.

in the end, the woman should have the choice, the final say so. Why should she give up her future, her dreams, her education because of an accident, rape, etc.?

Rape, sure, I'll give some leeway on that, but adciddent? Pft. Why should a child suffer because some dumb bitch made the wrong decision? She could have easily kept her legs closed. And another thing, why should men bother paying child support when a woman can kill a child off at a whim? The whole abortion thing is ####### made to protect lazy bitches from responsibility. Her body, her responsibility, she does not get a get out of jail free card because she has boobs.

And on rape, I feel sorry for real rape victims but women lie about rape all the time, so it shouldn't matter here. And what about male rape? Should we give women the right to kill a child after she rapes a man to get it? =/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...icle2886663.ece

http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/women_shelter8.htm

I don't think you get what I was saying..

This is a bit of an undecided subject for me. However, I'm mostly for the woman having a choice. If she was "stupid enough not to keep her legs shut", what makes you think she'll get any smarter if she has a child? Would you rather screw both their lives up? Early on, it's just a clump of cells. You can't really use the "It would grow into a child if it stays in the woman" excuse - Every egg has potential to turn into a fetus when fertilized, which could grow into a child, and every sperm cell has the potential to unite with an egg to turn into a fetus which could grow into a child, etc.

The main reason I'm in favor of giving women the right to choose is simply because they're ultimately the ones the child has to rely on. If they decide to have an abortion but are not legally able to and the baby is born, would they care for it? Especially if it was a result of rape? If they're willing to throw it away, would it really mean anything to them? Orphanages are crowded enough as it is, so it's not a really good alternative. Even there, the child would grow up knowing it was unwanted.

I'm not for abortion, I just really don't find it worth bringing another unwanted child into existence. People ##### up all the time, so why should the girl not get a second chance?

depends on what she wants. i agree we are overpopulated, but abortion wont help much.

I see most people are saying that it's teenaged girls unable to close their legs.
Don't forget, it's also married couples who have abortions. What if they did use protection? What if the condom broke?
It's not only the girls who sleep around. So don't say all girls who have abortions are, well, you know what I mean.
I'm not going into this subject at all. I get too wound up. All I will say is let the woman have a choice. Depending on one's morals, they can chose to have one or not. It's none of my business, and it's none of anybody else's business what she choses to do.
Now, the women who use abortion as a type of birth control... well, I'm not supporting that at all.
We could also go into whether the father of the child has a choice, but then it gets all complicated and confusing and crazy.

So then, is abortion an acceptable birth control method for those who would clearly be able to take care of the child's financial needs? I don't support it, but I do. I don't understand that. You do or you don't.

One says a baby is naught but a clump of cells. Are those human? Honestly, devaluing the life of human children yet glorifying endangered species and trees. Oh the hypocrisy.

anything living should be given a chance. simple as that

Tell that to the awesome steak I just had for dinner.

food is different. the cow could have ran away, instead they chose their fate. mmmmm....steak..

The cow probably couldn't but I get your point.


A simple, yet an honorable philosophy imo..

thats how i was raised. my parents have been against abortion since day one. so i guess i inherited their views.

Ok, I'm going to be perfectly honest. I've had an abortion, I was 18, in university and I was in no position to support a child. So I'd like to tell people what it's like to be in that position, to know you've created this wonderful thing but know that if you kept it you could end up hating it by no fault of it's own.
When I fell pregnant I became violently ill with morning sickness, to the point I could barely drink water without running for the bathroom. I couldn't go to my classes becaus I was so weak and I started to fail.
I wanted to keep my baby but did I want to keep it for the baby's sake or my own? So I could play Mummy and live a happy little dream life? That was never going to happen. I would have to tell my family, I'd have to tell my boyfriend's family and then face the uproar that would cause. Would I be able to support my child, would I be able give it everything it needed and when I really thought about it I realised I had barely even stopped being a child myself, how could I be a good mother in such a situation.
People say abortion is selfish, but like many things it's a generalisation of the people who have to face it. It's not case of , Whoops I got pregnant I'd best get rid of this thing before I'm stuck with a flailing meat snack. Anyone with a shred of humanity could never ever think like that. It's a terrible, traumatic choice which I have suffered years of depression for. But in the end, I was told by the doctor than I was so ill my body would have rejected it at a later stage anyway, when she was more developed and starting to actually be a person.
So my final word on the subject is this; abortion is a choice and it's a person's right to make that choice. It may not be the right one but that's what we were given free will for.

Man, I'm all for killin' babies! Hell, I wish I was a woman so I could go get an abortion right now! I mean, come on, China's makin' enough of 'em already, might as well kill a few o'er 'ere for 'em.

PS Really you guys, is abortion really a valid form of birth control? I'm all for it when you're in no position to raise a child - although I'd rather see it given up for adoption - but abortion for the sake of just not wanting a kid? They've got birth control shots, condoms, rings, pills, morning after... FFS. Seriously. It's not like it's hard to avoid having a kid.

::Shrugs:: Hell, I've had a pregnancy scare before. It's a scary deal. A child really can ruin your life. You'll be amazed at the things you'll think, when all the sudden your world is about to come to a tumbling close. I can see justification for abortions. But honestly, it should be a last resort.

I am totally aganist abortion but I now have to contrdict myself by saying that if that situation rolled around for me I just might go for it.

I personally think that it is the womans choice. Rape is one case. But what if the guy who decalred his undying love screwed her then ditchs her at the 'wonderful' news. What is she left with then? I don't like the idea but there is always a reason. Sure some womens' reasons are selfish but not all... I also know that I could never understand since U have never been in that position. Guys don't have such risks and shouldn't decare that they know what is best.

The rights of a few cells should never over-ride the rights of a living breathing human. Otherwise we'd be unjustified in killing bacteria via medicinal applications. An unborn child cannot suffer to the extent that a fully functional female human can in a variety of circumstances. Also, said unborn child is essentially a part of the woman so she is justified, imo, to take what ever action she deems fit (within reason if she chooses to keep it) from the moment of conception, accidental or not.

That said, those who adopt for the adoption option fail to notice how many children already need homes (just like the pet overpopulation problem). Putting a child up for adoption is only adding to that problem, not taking away from it.

Meh. As far as abortion goes, I think its your right to believe what you want and do what you want. However, I don't think its anyones place to sit about judging everyone else as frequently happens with abortion, and callnig people baby killers and #####. Frankly your opinion doesn't matter; abortion is THAT personal. People get to do what they want and you should be concerned with what you would do and not tell us what everyone else should be doing by x reason. And that goes for people on both sides. ITs none of your damn business *shrugs*

PErsonally, if I got pregnant, I would keep it, just to be a pregnant man.

Well, see the thing is none of you are seeing it from a woman's point of view. If you're a woman and you're pro choice then that means you do not want the goverment, no, a man to tell you to do whatever the ##### you want with your body. If you're pro life then you believe that your vagina is nothing more than a puppet for people to claim whatever is 'politically correct' to do with it.

That's a pretty big freedom. What if government said we'd have to start getting vasectomy's at a certain age? I bet you'd look at abortion a bit differently. Or maybe you'll be the pea sized brain protestors carrying around pictures of dead sperm saying what a wasted life it is. Abortion happens at the stage of life known as the 'zygote' kind of like a chicken egg before it's semenated by the rooster. Kind of basic knowledge here.

The world's overpopulated anyway, hell, abortion!? That's one less Sean Hannidy or George Bush.

I've kind of been afraid to post in this topic because this is something so polarizing that nothing is ever going to convince either side to change its ways. Yet now I'm posting. Hmm.

I guess I'll start by saying I'm pro-life in the truest sense, and by that I mean that I am both anti-abortion and anti-death penalty (although the death penalty has nothing to do with this). That seems to be a rare combination these days. Rape, I'm on the fence.

Now, I'm going to address some arguments that seem to keep coming up here, although some may not be explicitly stated, they are implied.

1. Look at this from the woman's point of view.
Why not look at it from the baby's point of view? Vins said no child deserves to be a mistake. Given the choice, though, would you rather live a sucky life or have someone knife you in the back? Some of us might not know the answer to that question (I'm not sure I do, anyway), but I think the fact that there is definitely not a majority of people choosing to kill themselves indicates that most people do, and most people will take the sucky life.

2. The religion argument is invalid.
First of all, @Noir: I'm sick of people like you constantly painting this picture of all Christians as mindless drones that would probably be better off dead and decreasing the surplus population before they start any more holy wars. I know, I know, it was a joke. But it wasn't funny, and I didn't appreciate the implications it made.

Now. While many of you scorn religion, believe it is completely empty, and wish it never existed, to the rest of us it is very real. Why shouldn't our views be considered?

3. A life that will be tormented/will give nothing back to society is a life that should not exist in the first place.
See #1.

4. People with fully developed organs are worth more than people without them.
This sort of fits into the whole religion thing, but I don't believe that a fetus is only potential life. I have yet to see the scientific study that proves that a fetus isn't life. Someone post the link if you know where it is.

5. The woman should have kept her legs closed.
Hey, we're equal opportunity debunkers here. =D

Now, as we know, sex is an act between TWO people, not one. Usually it's consensual; when it's not, it's rape. But enough sixth grade health lessons. The point is there are two people who make a decision to have sex. I know only one has to deal with the unborn baby for nine months, and the sad truth of the matter is that more often than not these days, the same person has to deal with the baby for another 18 years. Anyway, there are many factors in the decision to have sex or not to have sex. There are many pressures that can lead a woman to have sex and risk pregnancy. Now, like I said before, I don't think that these pressures merit the taking of human life, but I don't think that the woman's ability to keep her legs closed is absolute in all cases.

Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.
- Ronald Reagan

Point 1 - the babie's pov? What pov? Someone unborn cannot have a pov, period. They do not have a desire to live, or any desires at all tbh. Most abortions occur at early stages in pregnancy when the baby is mearly a bunch of cells. Shall we say look at the bacteria's pov when we use bleach or other anti-bacterial agents in our household, when we use medicines? Do you look at the animal's pov when you tuck into their carcass or excretions that was theirs, and their youngs alone? If not, then I'm sorry, but your point holds no water. If you're so against killing small bundles of cells and fully formed beings you should apply to all walks of life.

I haven't bothered replying to the religion based points since I don't agree with religion.

Also, if you're pro-life why do you advocate something that could wreck the LIFE of a woman? Women risk death during pregnancy, miscarriages, still births, post-natal depression, anaemia, a broken relationship, a lost income (there can be a risk of low income due to being out of work, or being fired outright) and so on. Anti-abortionists don't sound very pro-life now, do they?

Okay. Posts like these are exactly why I didn't really want to post here in the first place because I don't like getting wrapped up in arguments like these. For the sake of keeping the peace, please don't assault me for this belief I have. I don't expect you to believe what I say just from having read it, but I do ask that you don't call me a bad person for being pro-life, as your last post implies. (What I say may be flawed, but I don't think that should mean I'm a terrible person. Similarly, I believe what you say is flawed, yet I don't believe you're a bad person. I've never met you, but I know that pro-choicers such as yourself are good people, too, and have somebody's best interests in mind, anyway.)

-Saying that an unborn baby is not human life is like saying that a fertilized chicken egg is not chicken life. On the other hand, none of your examples "hold water" because, guess what? I never said that all life is absolutely sacred. Now that apparently it needs to be said, I place more value on human life than I place on any other kind of life. I have no qualms about using antibiotics when I'm sick, and I have no qualms about eating meat. Does that make me a hypocrite? Of course not. Human life trumps all.

-Why do I advocate something that could ruin a life? Because with modern medicine, very rarely does any of the things you mentioned outright end the mother's life. To the best of my knowledge, broken relationships and loss of income don't kill people. Life may suck for a while, but it doesn't kill people. In extreme cases, people may kill themselves; this is avoidable. I am in favor of abortions when the mother's life is at risk, and I'm pretty sure (although I could be wrong) that anemia after pregnancy is rarely life-threatening; again, it's one of those things that just makes life suck for a while. Oh, and by the way, women who undergo abortions often experience depression, too. Do I think that seeing a pregnancy through is always the best thing for the mother? Of course not. But sometimes it's about doing what's best for somebody else. Before you say I'm calling aborting mothers selfish, let me say this much: I don't believe that abortion is selfish. However, I do think the selflessness implied by seeing a pregnancy through is admirable.

Again, please don't hate me for this view. I don't hate any of you for being pro-choice, and I don't like you pro-lifers out there any more than I would otherwise. This is a wedge issue, and we're not going to get anywhere by arguing about it. I'll try to drop it from here on out unless I said something particularly thought-provoking or rage-inspiring which brings comments I feel need to be addressed.

"Good and bad are but names very readily transferable to that or this; the only right is what is after my constitution, the only wrong what is against it." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

wow, ok, everyone using the justification that "women should keep their legs closed" is being extremely unfair. And, from what I've been reading, it's mostly guys saying that! Well GUYS, you're the ones who stick your ***** in us! Some guys REFUSE to wear condoms! What if the condom breaks? Some women can get pregnant even if they take birth control pills. I'm not putting blame on anyone, but "women should keep their legs closed" is a ridiculous, unfair, and absolutely RUDE justification. You're basically saying that every women who has sex is a slut and a whore. Wow, that is so ridiculous considering it's not only the woman having the sex.

I'm pro-choice because abortion is incredibly personal. Also, have you ever thought of how women feel afterwards? Women have to live with that forever. It's not like they say "Oh, I can have all the unprotected sex I want cause if I get pregnant, I can just get an abortion!" The fact that you people can say "**** women! They have no rights when it comes to abortion!" is so retarded. Have you ever thought that women who get abortions aren't being greedy or selfish? That, maybe, they're doing what's best for their child? Giving your child up for adoption is just as emotionally devastating as getting an abortion. I believe that women have the right to do whatever they feel is necessary because it's their body, not yours. Also, it's none of your business.

Never have I seen such rude statements about women from people who are pro-life.

Then why is it usually used as a birth control method? I haven't stuck my reproductive organ anywhere, so don't lay the sins of my gender on me.

But it's ohkay to lay the gender sins for what a few women do? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but most women don't want to go through abortion. It's not something on their to do list. Nor do they find it amusing and a pleasing activity to do. They are not compacted with the devil.

Stop laying down your social stereotypes unless your brain is no more active than a hamster wheel.

Agreement.

I'm pro-choice, I guess. I think that the only opinions that should matter are those of the parents of the child, to be born or never will be. Whatever the choice is, one or both will bear the consequence, be it good or bad. That's life. No amount of heated debate on the internet can or should affect that.

But I don't feel that abortion should be a common form of birth control, only as last resort or situations where you really can't do anything else. And abortion is bad for woman's body, they may have problems conceiving in the future. That's one consequence to bear for woman who abort often.

In response to some of the points brought up... stop f**king generalizing. Not all females are sluts or whores. Not all females are rape victims. Not all guys are irresponsible #######, but at the same times, not all specimen of the male species who went and got their girlfriend pregnant are responsible and financially independent. Not all females who go for abortion are ignorant hormonal teenagers. Not all females use abortion as some common or only type of birth control.

There are all kinds of different situation in which a female could get pregnant, and another huge variety of reasons why she has to make the choice to abort or not to abort. The way you guys are going on, it sure sounds like the majority of the population on this planet share the same brain.


Yeah? I hope you realize that your mother is a woman, and your sister, if you have any, is one too. Your future wife (if you're planning to have any or actually could get one) is a woman too. And that without women, mankind wouldn't have gotten past the 'Adam' stage.

I hope you understand how traumatizing being raped is for many victims before you said that, if you have any ounce of sensitivity. To have something that conceived out of it, a child you did not plan to have who constantly reminds you that you got violated by somebody... those who made the decision to raise and love the child are very brave and I hope they don't come to regret the decision. Those who choose to abort... it's sad, but it is understandable. Those who give birth but put the child up for adoption... I'm not sure I like that. It reeks of irresponsibility.

And how is it taking out on the child? While yes, the possible baby has done no wrong to warrant not being given birth, it's still not technically a life during the period which is safe for woman to abort. And perhaps there are plenty of people who can't have children who wish to adopt, but you would actually bear the nine months of being pregnant, the pain of giving birth, just so somebody else that you don't even know can have your baby? Or because you're so pro-life? No f**king way.

I would also like to see you remain virgin until you're reasonably financially capable of taking care of yourself and a child, and probably your life partner too, if you demand for women to do so. If you can't do that, don't make unreasonable demands.

And do you think women are psychics and know who are the responsible guys just like that? There's such a thing called deception, where a person hide certain things from another, such as personality traits that would not do well to his/her own image. It's not like guys have 'I will not abandon you if I got you pregnant' on their foreheads.

Yes, the father should also have a say on whether the child lives or not. After all, it's his child. But what if he thinks the child should be aborted? Do you honestly think that all fathers-to-be will just simply decide that the mother should not abort, with no regards to any sort of situation they could have? Are you really that naive to think that only woman would want to abort their baby and the men are all pro-life saints?


What kind of world do you live in? One where males are victims and females are the personification of evil? Sure there are cases of fake rape victims, but just because there are, you're willing to completely ignore the fact that there are real rape victims? And why would the women who rape a man to conceive a child want to abort it? You're not making any sense.

Abortion don't matter to us because...

Anyways, I detest in abortion because of the harmful side effects, no matter how safe the current technology is

How could you kill your own child just because you don't practice safe sex? Thats just wrong.

Lance.