So yeah. I have a whole bunch of old school PS1 games that I've never played that I acquired and I vowed to get through them. But since Xenogears, I haven't been in the mood for rpgs. Thankfully after all the (alarmingly) active talk about tales games in the last week, I've got round to playing this. I'm glad I kept a bunch of these and didn't blow my load on them, since its nice to have a legit classic rpg that I've never played beforte, and I'm fairly certain that I'll enjoy.

As usual, the tales series seems to have dropped me in at the deep end of battle difficulty since I came dangerously close to game over in my first battles (knights and witches >_<), so I really just did the first town, found Meredy, got banished, and now I've doing a little level grinding to put me in the safety zone. Obviously I haven't seen much, but the game looks really fun, intreguing start to the plot and unlike Xenogears, imo its aged very well for a game thats a good decade old now. When I wa playing Xenogears last year the aged graphics bothered me a fair bit, but here there's a lot of nice hand drawn stuff, and apart from the character models being a bit pixely, it looks really nice.

Anyway, thats where I am. I figured I'd post a topic up since the tales forum actually seems to have some active tales fans posting now, and I don't know, add your thoughts or whatever on the game. If anyone happens to be playing the game through as well, throw some tips at me

Well its all thanks to my obession

I got it on PSP, I think it has bonus content, not sure but I'm still playing Tales of The World currently

In other news a epic figurine is coming to my home soon

Tell me about it - since I watched the ToS anime i've been hankering to play it but I think i'll wait off till some firm details about KoR come out so I can time the replay with the release. Now with all this talk i've finally decided to get Legendia of the shelf and give it a go, as soon as i've finished Suikoden II.

ToE was the deciding factor for me buying a PSP (i seem to say that a lot about Tales games - ToS getting me into console RPGs, TotA for finally getting a PS2!) and for me it was money well spent. Its been a while since I finished it so I can't remember everything but I do remember the first few battles being ridiculously difficult, I think there may be a few points in the game that'll punish you if you've not kept your levels up. It was definitely a step up from ToS though that might have been because your limited to 3 character instead of 4.

The story line is strong point in this one and its a pretty large game with some pretty decent dungeons. The characters weren't as strong in this one as they were in the other titles, I stuck to the four main characters throughout and only used the others just for the sake of using them not for any particular want or need (like presea/sheena in ToS)

Really enjoyed the Craymel system in this - (the ToE equivalent of summon spirits) - combining them for new skills and the likes. This will become very important for you fairly quickly as how you combine them will seriously affect what your capable of in terms of attack power and healing, much of the time you'll find yourself trying to locate the right trade off between the two - you'll know what I'm on about once you get further in.

There was a bit of bonus material for the PSP but I dont think it was that much so you wont be missing anything - there may have been a new cut scene added to the ending, but even with that it was frustrating as most tales endings are. Have you got voice overs on the PS version? These were included in the PSP version.

In terms of graphics I actually liked the overall style of the dungeons and towns, though again their may have been a bit of a touch up for the PSP so I can't really comment fairly on how well the game's held up .

There are a couple of decent mini-games in this one as usual, Whis being the perfect example, if you find card games addictive in the slightest then avoid this one like the plague. Simple, easy to learn and completely unforgiving.

i can't think of any tips for you off of the top of my head - well none that are spoilers for you at the moment anyway - but got any problems and i should be able to help.

Haha, awesome, I'll probably play ToW after this, but I've been pretty much sucked into ToE now, so it might be awhile XD What figurine would that be?



Oh wow, ToS was your first console rpg? Thats an excellent place to start man, such a good game, I basically bought my GC for it and twin snakes. On the topic of TotA, I think its pretty much definetely at this point I'll do the swap magic thing, just when haha. I need Abyss and Legendia. Did Rebirth get out of Japan?



Haha, yea, definetely. I've managed to get on top of things with my levels, but it was pretty difficult. I basically just ran round in circles outside the village for awhile, and when someone ghot ko'ed, I ran to Reid's house and cured haha. Seemed to work XD I think the thing asbout having to level grind in the tales games though, its such a fun battle system, so it isn't a chore like other games. My thoughts for Grandia too <3



Yea, the story seems pretty good. Its kicked off in typical tales fashion, but it seems very intreguing as I said, and its the first rpg I've played in while where I've been very compelled to continue on. I'm only on my way to the observatory right now, since I did a bunch of levelling, and then spent plenty of time doing the very fun exploring of Minche - the town designs are beautiful. + sheen = great character, bad bad skills.



As I said, I'm still pretty near the beginning, but I look forward to the Craymel stuff, I like how they've made the Craymels an intricate part of the worlds mythology (read all the books in the university library and whatnot XD).



Ah well I'm not too bothered. If I end up liking this as much as I liked ToS (which I get the feeling I will), I'll probably pick it up on psp as well, just for the hell of it. I'm in a big game buying phase right now anyway XD And yea, there is voice acting, which I'm suprised about, since its quite an old game. Even alot of the bigger series weren't doing voice acting at that point yet, although I think the original Grandia had it too.



I was very impressed by Minche and the scope of it - even my room-mate commented on the amount of people bustling around in the town, for such an old game (relatively). I can't wait to see the other areas.



Well, well, I just hope I don't ever have to do the raft mini-game thing again >_< I honestly sucked so bad, thank god you don't fall off or anything, or I may have been stuck haha.


WEll ,thanks for all the feedback guys, I'll report more as I get further. I'm pretty ill right now though, so my posting and gameplaying may be slower than usual >_<

I played Tales of Eternia a while back. Really fun game. The battles are great (I liked them almost as much as Abyss's), the graphics and locales are just incredible, and the soundtrack is solid, too. Don't expect too much from the plot, however. There's not that much to the story. The main characters are nice, though, and the camping scenes throughout the game help flesh them out well. But the game lacks solid supporting characters and a good villain, imo.

Still, a really fun game, and you'll definitely enjoy it. =)

Haha, thanks man, I will do I agree on the graphics - I don't even feel the PS1 FFs have held up as well as this game has. Maybe thats because the game didn't really go 3D at all, but its definetely definetely it in the long run, its up there with SaGa Frontier 2 as best looking for me (yes, remember that series XD when it was good).

I hope your enjoying Stella Deus as well, thats an awesome underrated game. I had great fun playing it over the summer.

ToE was a title that I had a fun time with while I was playing, although the graphics definitely shows the age but the battle system definitely holds up well even against that of the more recent ones. In fact I'd say that ToE's battles were better than that of ToTA's. Reid gets really overpowered especially in the later parts of the game though. =?

edit: this post is based on the PS1 ver. ^^;;

Same progress as you lol, got Keele and now onto new continent, TP, status effects are issue without a inn/items as camp only restores HP it seems. A fun game though.

I like the little pics for items =D

Haha, I just realised why the difficulty might seem so steep at first...I went into options and it was on hard >_< haha. OH well. I just left it on hard, I'm used to the badguys now, no need to chicken out of a challenge. I just spent freakin ages on the forest of temptation, but thats me finally through and finished up for the night. I love dungeons like that haha, very old school. All my guys are about lvl. 21, I have my first Craymel Undine, who is very awesome, and I'm just really enjoying this game right now. I think once I'm done I'm gonna replay Phantasia and Symphonia through again, and just be a Tales wore for the next month XD Seriously though, in a way I wish I'd had access to this when it came out because I'm sure I loved it when I was playing BoFIV and Grandia and games like that, but I'm glad I'm playing such a good game now. Demon Lightening Hammer ftw right now <3

Yeah it set the bar pretty high - i doubt anything could have got me so quickly into the genre- i'm really a RPG newb - well in comparison to most people round here, 4 years this July I think, before that i didn't really play games that much, buy two or three a year and that was it. But am making up for lost time now - its rare for me to go more than a week or two without having an RPG on the go. Just trying to get round to the classics that i missed first time round.

Unfortunately Rebirth didn't see the light of day outside of Japan - but you never know about the PSP version - even if we dont get it in the UK (though Ubisoft do seem to be committed to bring the PSP tales titles out over here) its easy enough to import if it comes out in the states.


Hmm that strategy does sound familiar lol! Though i dont think mine was set on hard. In my defence though i'd not played a Tales game for about a year, and it was the first game i played on a PSP, or perhaps i'm just making excuses for actually loosing one of the early battles I remember the first time i played ToS, i'd never really cared for beat'em ups or combo button bashers - so i get into my first battle and nearly get wiped out and i was thinking WTF have i just bought - but by the time i got to the end of the first dungeon I knew i was hooked.
Tbh even now four titles to the series i'm still perfecting skills with the combat system - i think thats what makes it so good as the experience can be so different depending on the characters involved - ToW has been brilliant for this because of all the classes available - its took me a while but i've finally got the hang of dodging attacks by jumping over the enemy and getting in a few combos of my own - 102 hit combo is the max atm.

Good i wasn't sure - i'd tried to find out if they'd changed the same voice actor for Reid in ToW but no where seems to list the voice artist for ToE - made me wonder if it wasn't part of the original.

Actually i take what i said about the characters being a weak point in this game, though the optional characters are pretty much a waste of space (story wise and in battle), Meredy's character is good - her background story is good and you'll still have questions about her even at the end.


Undine is always one of my favourites, inevitably seems to be one of the weakest but still. Always had an affinity for water elementals - the water Djinn from Golden Sun FTW. Make sure to get the optional Craymels towards to end - they'll offer you some of the best battles in the entire game - in fact the last one (the ToE equivalent of Origin) will put the Abyssion battle of ToS to shame.

Tbh thinking about it - its a good thing you've played ToE before TotA - Reid is a good intermediate between Lloyd and Luke, the latter leans more towards the move set and abilities of Zelos/Kratos but without the magic attacks and is considerably slower than Lloyd - though his move set would have been near perfect if they'd given him the sword rain attacks - though i am now partial to the Rending attacks now.

Hahah, well, like I was saying earlier, its awesome when you have a bunch of old games that you know are classics, and you've never played before. I recomend the grandia series, the mana series, BoF...those are games I tend to put as highly as the tales series. Although you probbly know these series XD



Oh awesome, I had no idea it was ported to PSP. Well here's hoping then. PSP's are region free right?



LOL. I can just imagine you sitting there in horror. Thats why I recomend grandia and the Mana series - very good rpgs, but also very good battles that I think stand up to the tales battle system



Haha, oh yea, the tales series has a very organic battlesystem. It just grows and grows. Personally, I always experience a learning curve agai, each time I start a tales games again, since it tends to be awhile since I've played one. Or maybe I just suck. OR its on hard. XD

Haha, well, I'm freaking dying to play the game, haven't had a chance to play it, or even post today because of exams >_< but thats them over now, so I'm dedicating this weekend to ToE and getting back on track with posting. Sad? Yes. Fun? Yes.

I've heard of them ones - i've read a little about them and apart from BoFIII i've played none of them - see how much i've got to catch up on!
Yeah PSPs are region free - thats how i got ToW:RM - if your ever interested in importing try videogamesplus i know i've posted this link loads of times before (i'm sure i should be earning commission by now) but i can't express how good they are - games are cheaper than new ones over here and shipping is about £3 a game and even coming from Canada it takes like a week - i've had stuff from amazon take longer.



Its alright for some - i've still got another week before my exams finish - and i'm already traumatized after the first two. Hey dont knock that idea - thats exactly what i've got planned once i've got them out of the way - a weekend of Suikoden II and then starting ToL.

Hahah, funnily enough, III is the only one I've still to playproperly. Its up on the shelf though >_< I'm sure I'll get to it one day. I'd probably recomend you check out IV, give I and II a miss (unless you're really into old snes rpgs with no frills), and try V if you did something different. I think its a contender for best rpg on PS2, but some despise it. XD.

Awesome, I'll favourite that link just as long I don't have to pay a duty fee thing :\ I remember I imported Lunar Legend for GBA when it didn't come here, and I got tagged an extra £10 for it >_> I mean, I only payed £10 in the first place so I didn't care, but sicne then I've always stuck to ebay and amazon haha.



Haha, I feel for you man. At least you have ToL XD. I nearly bought it yesterday XD thought it might push me to do the swapmagic thing quicker haha.

EDIT: Weeeeell. Another day gone, another section completely. I only got a couple of hours in today, but te fact I got any is a major plus. I just trekked from the forest of Temptio to Inferia, across the sea, past Barole, through the Sylph cave, fought the HARDEST freakin boss battle EVER (it took me several go's) and now I've rested up at Barole and saved, ready for tomorrow. My guys are on lvl. 25, which I think is fairly respectable. I just can't believe how hard that boss was XD in a good way. I love a challenge, and hell, thats only my third boss haha. It took mea couple of attemps to get my battle strategy down, and when I just pwned the hell of it. It pwned the hell out of me the first few times though >_< and that guy Ras hahaha. He's so obviously a soldier. A poncy soldier. My party is so naive. "No, we should tell him everything~!". XD

Tbh they shouldn't charge you if the value of the goods is below £17 thats the cut off point - i've done my research with this one believe you me - was a bit paranoid when i was trying to get hold of the original Suikodens. As it is VG+ send it as a gift with a standardised price - regardless of whats inside - so it goes through customs no problem - i got Ar Tonelico, Radiata Story, TotA and Suikoden III all in one batch (~£60) and didn't get hit . I was lucky with Suikoden II when i ordered it off of eBay - even though it was way over the limit it still got through free of charge.

I was going to warn you about Sylph but thought it might have just been me - i definitely went through a few life bottles with that one! Good dungeon if memory serves - was that the one with the air flows and caves? I can't remember what the next craymel is now - think it might be Efreet - another interesting dungeon.

Well got through Forest of Temptation, difficulty of this game is starting to increase quite a bit, especially in the dungeons areas, I am too use to having lots of TP in Tales of the World (tp recovered with every hit) and no random battles but got past those 5 demons things and on around level 20 at the moment.

Although I think my gald issues are solved as I used a runed bottle on my vodoo doll to get that double gald accessory.

Haha, that was the dungeon, it was pretty cool, I felt really satisfied once I completed it. Although, I had to go through mkost of it twice since I feel for the old "ooooh treasure chest - crap I fell down a traphole" XD I'm just leveling on the island where the bridge (I assume) is going to be, I don't wanna get stuck at any point, so I don't mind spending some time overleveling a little, and these monsters throw tons of exp and cash at you.



Haha awesome man, I completely forgot I had a rune bottle >_< so I don't have that accesory >_< coulda came in hand haha. My cash is ok though, around 70,000. Like I mentioned above, the island I'm on throws alot at you. Once I feel I'm powerful enuogh, I'm going to go fight on the crescent shaped isle. I tried there and got my asskicked. I'm sitting around lvl.27, so if I go a few more levels, I think I can handle it. Then on to Efreet I always enjoy playing a game at the same time as someone else though, for things like that, I totally missed the whole rune bottle thing. I'll go mess about with it now XD.

Currently level 21, left Infernia, heading for the port, picked up cream stew and shortcake recipes just building up levels currently.

I messed around with some of my settings, and the game looks soooo much better now. And it all ready looked good. THe whole pixely thing I commented on earlier is gone and the colour is much richer (playing it on my pc btw). >_< Wish I had done that earlier haha. I only messed with the settings because the heat effect in the desert town wasn't appearing on my screen correctly at all, so I messed withsome stuff and voila, much better looknig game <3 I love this game even more haha. Anway, took a break for most of the evening, I'm actually at home visiting the family right now, so I felt I should socialise haha. Lvl. 28 and still fighting enar the sanctury. I'll play some mroe tonight though

AG, let me know how you find Sylph cave ^^, its difficult but very fun.

Finished Sylph cave it was quite easy to be honest

The only annoying bit was pressing x by the rock, so Ras would place some rope across it

I had spammed up on potions, armour, weapons and other equipment beforehand.

As for the boss .. meh I killed it first time, just kill those two spirit things and then spammed demon lightning hammer on the boss. (its weak against lightning, I think demon lighting hammer is non elemental but meh) I had that wind shield equipped so I always had tonnes of health after it cast air thrust and a knights sword I believe.

If I got low on health I just used apple gels, lemon gel, some orange gels but a fun dungeon though.

Now in that desert town. Brought some new items from there. Although I admit I died tonnes of time before I remember what that sailor said at the first port. Kept on landing on small islands which had overpowered enemies XD

I'm currently level 24.

Hahaha, yea, try that crescent shaped island out >_< its so frickin ahrd. I keep being tempted to put the difficulty down to norm, but I'm trying to stick with hard haha.

I managed to finish off the first disc last night, so I'll spoil out the enxt bit, but tbh, there's nothng I'm going to say that you probably haven't guessed is going to happen yet XD

So I crossed the bridge of light and made it to Celestia! Pretty sweet since I've got a whole new world ahead of me now, I'm jsut a little annoyed at myself that I didn't level high enough to fight on some of those islans. Nevermind, I get a feeling I'll be back in Inferia at some point XD

I can't believe you beat the sylph first time round haha. >_<. I guess it jsut usually takes me a few tries to figure out what I want my strategy to be etc, I usually don't have anythning prepared first time around haha.

Lol - seriously the way your describing this if i didn't know better i'd swear this was me playing the game - what with the falling for the treasure chest bit in Sylph's cave - having to redo half the dungeon and with the islands. But seriously dont worry about them you'll be back to them, there meant to for the higher level stages of the game and even then if you get confronted with a larger group they can be annoying - the only way you'd have survived them at this stage of the game was to be seriously over leveled.
As for where you are in the game - there's some good stuff coming up - watch out for the train, another interesting mini game - but i'll tell you more once your past it as there is a miss-able bit there if your a completist - though it is insignificant.

yeah I fell down that hole but the item was nice

finally got my fire caraymel today, another easyish fight.

fire shield, fire cape, hydra dagger combo seemed to worked well, used 1 or 2 life bottles and got that ring now and plot is starting to develop some more

currently leveling up reid's skills now in the forest outside Barole. I've also been cooking lots (auto-cooking = epic WIN) and Farah is a kitchen star (she makes yummy omelettes and pot pies)

haha ^^ I got Gnome earlier, so I'm taking a break for the rest of the night to have a bit of a go at Golden sun, and play some of my PS3 games. I've been suprised since Sylph cave how easy the dungeons have been though, I genuinely found that quite a hard dungeon >_< haha. If you were able tobeat Efreet easy you should have no problem continuing on in the game, I didn't need to take a break better that part and the next. Oh well, I think i'm lvl. 35ish right now, had some tough times with the enemies before the abandoned mines but I seem to have come to grips with things.




Haha you can tell me know >_< I missed all the stops where I was supposed to drop off the letters lmao.

level 33 outside mt farlos, just fighting and cooking and amusingly I've watch 7 acts of that play in infernia, my last ticket price was like 200,000 gald I think lol.

Saving up money to watch it (double gald accessories ftw) also it seems the enemies I am fighting are dropping rune bottles.

Haha, sweet man, I did a bunch of time in the forest round behind the mountain, its a good place ^^ I actually took a day off today to do a LOST marathon with my room-mate, so I never got annny done but thats cool because we'll probably be closer together in progress when I play tomorrow ^^ You're definetely way overleveled for the next area and you'll do the one after that comfortably too

Right well you didn't do any better than me on the first time round - all I was on about was a title for Meredy called ChooChoo Girl - basically you need to keep on doing the train mini game and there's this particular woman who you deliver mail to, a little story develop about her as she chats to Meredy and eventually you get the title - really frustrating until you actually work out the system to stop perfectly each time, then its a bit dull but if you want to get everything then you need to know about it.

level 39, outside the snowy mountain levelling up. Had a good laugh in regards to find apporiate winter gear

Gotta love that scene - definite LOL moment but thats just my sense of humour.
Always enjoy the snow/winter themed towns and dungeons of games and ToE did not disappoint. Cant remember what level I was at this point in the game but it was a good boss battle either way. Shame the costumes didn't transfer over to the battle scenes though.

level 41, about to re-enter Volt's temple, realised a lot of enemies there have stun effects, so I went back to the city to buy 3 extra stun charms (got like 400k currently ) currently level 41

Haha gah, I starting to fall behind! Still just after completing the snow moutain, went back to uni this week, so i've been out most night wasted XD therefore less playing time unfortunately. I got two mana games and started playing the wind waker again as well haha, so I've got alot of games going on now as well. I don't mind slowing down my progress though, because I'll bne able to enjoy the game for longer, and I can needle you for tips if I get stuck XD

The clothing mini-game was hilarious too. Meredy : I AM CATZ! <3

level 57, sunken ship, nearly maxed out my slash, thrust, punch, kick bars

also buying a shop rocks =p

level 68, got two optional caraymels and found out how to face Arche in the battle arena.

Basically you need to fight Cress in hard mode. The easy way is to beat World Championship on normal, refuse Cress challenge, then speak to new counter lady in order to face him and arche when you choose to (after selecting hard mode)

I currently haven't thought them yet, been collecting reverse dolls (got 15)

YAY I beat Cress & Arche in the Arena on Hard

My reward was

- Eternal Sword
- Cress Bandanna
- Arche Ribbon

Also S.D. summon = epic win (if you love Destiny you will love it =p)

Oh music difference in PSP version of Tales of Eternia, seems they remixed it so the sound is better, as I'm listening to the original OST and its very midi like, the new one is more instrumental.

(The middle bit of Celestia battle music is great =D)

In regards to gameplay I'm level 79, cooking foods and levellling up.

Apologies for any hijacking XD

Completed game. Final battle aside from aurora wall and pine gel, omega demon chaos, shooting star, blizzard, etc, was easy.

Use soft reset trick on PSP version to turn my old save into a *save

Now just getting tp/hp herbs from arena before taclking nereids labyrinth.

Completed bonus dungeon at level 88

Congrats - never did the bonus dungeon myself - might do it on the next playthrough though when i get round to it - not even sure what its like - research may need to be done.

I think i finished on the mid to high 70s myself so will have to make sure I take them a little higher this time round to get through the dungeon.

Did you get hold of the craymel Sekundes? How did that battle go - apart from the required timing of the attacks in the final battle i found this one to be considerably more difficult.

Well on normal was pretty easy to be honest, I was level 75 and had indigination.

Meredy, Keele, Farah and Reid.

Completed glimmer spire and beat Cress and Arche so I had the eternal sword and cress bandanna (time resistance) and I think I used mumbane armour.

Started battle with Destiny, then a all-divide, then its holy lance keele, nurse, shooting star meredy, Farah doing her thing and reid just spamming omega demon chaos.

At 100,000 HP I cast Indigination and he died in one blow. (this was on normal difficulty)

Oh the bonus dungeon final boss is based upon your team's level, after level 90 it actually becomes harder to kill him. Its a 6 floor dungeon and each floor you need to solo until 6th floor final battle.

I would recommend having maxwell extension meredy first floor, chat with eternal hammer or keele with mystic symbol holy lance spam on 2nd, max on 3rd floor with aqua spiral, 4th with reid and rising phoenix - burning phoenix extension and farah 5th floor with fatal fury spam.

Also run away from all random encounters until 6th floor (magic mist, elven boots) and when you beat a floor boss make sure you deequip all the characters equipment.

Once you reach final floor, make sure your caraymels have poison, freeze guard and maxwell is level 10 vitality (run around and do random battles shooting star)

Start battle with maxwell extensions, destiny and all-divide, omega demon chaos spam.

Also in this dungeon you

1) can't save
2) can't use item/skills outside of battle


also had 15 reverse dolls

Had the same set up for that particular battle. Got him on the third time with the Meredy's indignation though that was a happy accident as I didn't know you could get the Hi-Ougi attack when I was playing it. Nearly defeated him on the second time just using normal skills - but ran out of items and then I was toast.

The labyrinth sounds interesting - though never been a big fan of Maxwell, will have to use him more in the replay.

his final extensions do uber damage and blue earth fully restores HP/TP + 100,000 exp bonus.

also did you ever "control" Arche in battle?

Arche gets bored of Phantasia and joins Eternia crew in Shizel castle

I ToE A.k.A Tales of destiny II(PSX)

I loved the game a lot. Lots of unlocks and secret lol.

Favourite is yet Destiny sword =D

Achieved 999 combo =p

Hardest title yet to get was from the game of sushi. Lol.

Lance.

Oh hints for sushi - only eat the plates which look special e.g. roper sushi, giant prawn sticking out of it.

I won this minigame without having any white plates and obviously drink when bar is full.

As for 999 hit combo, there is this glitch involving magic user and jump.

Don't have to. You just need to know the right timing at what time to cast what skill and spell. Which you need to pause every moment to use a skill instead of auto AI.

something like, omega demon chaos -> wind blade -> lightning-> omega demon chaos -> wind blade -> lightning -> etc etc


accept you can make use of all 4 of them lol.

I discourage jump because it breaks combo super duper easily.

Lance.

I just steer away from it because

- rapid O pressing
- lots of micromanagement
- cheap way to get tonnes of experience

its also some buy exploit as shown below with Reid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Pe7phIbj8

I perfer the minigames and normal fights which require more skill then taking advantage of pause.

Lol, I just get it for a record lol. You know, without exploiting the game's glitches and stuff.

Just like defeating Sekundes without using indignation lol.

Lance.