I'm not too sure on this one, but I cast my vote to KeyBlades, not to offend any diehard Kingdom Hearts fans. It's just... well put it this way - Someone offers you a Sword with a Revolver crafted into the handle or a big Key.

Though the GunBlade idea was also a bit farfetched. How the hell is a bullet supposed to get up the barrel through the 4 foot blade while swinging it at full speed? Also note that if you have sliced right the way through something the bullet wouldn't hit them.

Sorry, wasn't too sure whether or not to put this in the Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy forum, but this was the forum I was browsing at the time... so yeah.

As with the keyblade... Are there any kinda sharp blade-like parts to it? Not as far as I can tell. Wanna bludgen monsters to death be my guest.

Considering what the keyblade is used for, I think it’s not that bad. As a weapon, well...swinging a key at people isn’t going to get the job done like a gunblade would, so in that respect the keyblade would be the more ridiculous of the two. I just wouldn’t vote it as the more ridiculous just because it actually serves a much better purpose than weapon. The magic of it fascinates me ;).

As for overall, I don’t know which I would chose for being the most ridiculous. Taken in context, neither of them are(n’t that bad, at the least) >.o.

Ya, I didn't like FF8 too much, so I'm a little biased toward KH, even though I haven't even beaten either three... (It's on the to-do list...)

I did like Seifer's gun-blade though... but I'm with the other guys with the usefulness. It could be cool like in FFAdvent Children where they were guns with blades on them, (unlike the other way around).

I would say keyblades for a few reasons. First, gunblades do exist (of course, the blade is more like a knife/dagger than a sword, but there is a revolver on the hilt of the blade) although I'm sure they weren't meant to be shot while using the blade, its more of a combination of a short and longish range weapon (of course, these aren't at all modern, so they pistol would not be that accurate). Keyblades, although they make sense in the story, just kind of seem ridiculous because they aren't really blades as much as they are...bludgeons I guess. If you ever look at the kingdom key, its more of a cylinder with no real blade on it, so it seems to be more of a blunt kind of weapon. Anyway, a key-shaped blade is just kind of ridiculous.

Where's the option for both?

I found Keyblade and Gunblade to be a ridiculous idea, but doesn't mean I find them to be dumb. Keyblade creation made sense since it tied into the plot, even if the design ridiculous, the Keyblade a important item and serves a important role in the plot in the Kingdom Hearts series. The Gunblade just didn't make sense. Square just being original would be the idea behind the Gunblade creation? Most of the characters in the game didn't use the traditional weapons a person would find in a RPG. I figure the Gunblade a creation of originality and fitting the setting.

Well if I were to make excuses I'd probably say it's more interesting to get people to really think about it, rather than just settle on both.

But nah, the real reason is I just forgot.

KeyBlade.

come on, its an old fashioned giant key and i dont think it could really kill anyone. maybe cause some injuries. its not very sharp. dont get me worng though. im a big fan of kh. but seriously.

KeyBlades, for sure.

A Blade, that coudn't possibly cut though anything. Its logic frightens me.

I am definitely going to have to chose KeyBlades although I love them, they are quite different. I would have never expected a key in any way or form to become a weapon if it were not for the creation of Kingdom Hearts. When I had first heard about a "GunBlade" I was not even close to as surprised as I was after hearing about a "KeyBlade".

The original plain keyblade yes, because it's really like a key with no sharp edges for cutting things. But a few of the other keyblades look more like a cross between a part of the short axe's blade and a wide sword and they don't look ridiculous (quite the contrary, in fact). But what matters more is it has a purpose in the game, and the shape fits the purpose. It would be more ridiculous if Sora lifts something like Cloud's sword to point at a keyhole. The imagery is just wrong for me.

Gunblades though... it's a cool idea if they really work, like supposedly should in FFXIII.

So I choose neither (except if you have an option for the one original keyblade).

well if I have to pick I choose Keyblade, it's just isn't a weapon, it's comedy, a joke to make it more child-friendly!

the Gunblade, now that's a cool weapon!

and for those who don't know, it's not that it shoot's a bullet at the enemy, when triggered it sends a shockwave through the blade and the vibration and makes more damages on the enemy!

This person I know went out to a game shop and got himself a "real" keyblade.... He carries it around with him in the back of his car...

That is all

(PS: I voted Keyblade)

I think the gunblade is a load of kroak a sword that u shoot when u hit with they keyblade its all about magical power so it makes a lil more scene to me becuase i have played kh and i have played ff8 and i think they keyblade is a better idea

key blades...... when i first played kh1 and got the keyblade... my first thought was some japanese guys in an office bored out of their minds made a giant key and decided to smash peoples heads in with it,then they put it into a game and gave it to a kid so he could save the world. stupid you say, yes it is. blame the programmers for putting them in the game. gunblades you say,KICK ASS SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME!!!!!!! therefore keyblades BLEAGH!!!!!!!, while gunblades WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!. there, simply put.

Gunblades make perfect sense. Imagine holding a pistol and swinging it downward like a sword and pulling the trigger. It may not be very accurate. But when you have a sword on there and ur slicing with the sword, u know where hte sword is the bullet will be because gunfire is basically instantaneous. And the physics of it make sense as well.

At least with a Keyblade, I mean, look at Sora's. It's not even a blade. It's just a friggin key lol. How are you supposed to slice and dice people with that?

keyblades are stupid in all but there really usefull. still though i prefer gunblades and rather like the idea of slicing up one guy then killing the other guy behind him with a blast.

I think the whole gunblade thing would be more plausible if they did the blade-pistols they had in FFAC. Those were cool. It's also kinda like Snake's CQC stuff using a gun and knife to get the job done. If you're too close for bullets, just switch to blades

In my opinion, neither of them are ridiculous. Why do people fight with a thing like giant hammers for? They have no edge, the only good thing they can do to an enemy is smash em into bits. Keyblade have the same concept, no shape edges but imagine someone swing it at you, im sure you be pretty hurt too. Keyblade is like a small version of hammer. They don't do alot of damages as hammer but they light and fast to strike with, an agillity weapon. Beside, i think it look pretty cool too. A weapon for any sentinal hero (something that suit Kenshin, lol).
Gunblade is cool, i like the pair of gunblade that the guy in ff7 ac hold, they look awesome. I think they pretty good if it an actual weapon. First, it sharp enough to fight close range, second, arial attack and long range wouldn't be a problem, not too mention you can backstab with tat weapon from faraway too. lol

Personally, I believe the gunblade is a bit more rediculous than the keyblade, and that's only assuming magic isn't rediculous.

The keyblade isn't meant to necessarily, "cut" people, just heartless. When Sora attacks people, it is strictly a bludgeoning weapon. When Sora strikes a Heartless, the magic of the keyblade makes the, "blade," sharp. Sure, there is darkness within people, which creates an edge for the keyblade, but compared to the pure darkness the Heartless represent, the blade is dull.
The idea of it being a key is a bit strange, but it doesn't bother me.

The gunblade is far different in the idea behind it... Whoever says the physics makes sense for a gunblade to work, I really hope you have a good arguement set up because I really doubt that. Based on the idea alone, a gunblade is kinda cool. The gunblades in Advent Children are far different from those in FF8, however. In Advent Children, the gunblades are really just guns, with a small blade attached the barrel. In FF8, it's basis is far different. It is meant to be used as a sword, but somehow have the capability to shoot? It can't shoot when there's a 2.5-3 foot blade coming off of the barrel of a gun.
So following the idea that a gunblade doesn't "shoot" bullets, and continuing on that it releases energy in the form of vibrations or some other form of energy, that can almost work. The only issue is, the vibrations. When you're swinging a sword/gunblade that has a bent handle, the physics of the swings is far different from a regular sword. The balance is different along your arms, as it is simply harder to control compared to a regular sword. This is partly supported in the idea that in FF8, Squall or Quistis mentions that the reason why there are only 2 gunblade users is because they're hard to use...
So following the idea that to control a gunblade is very difficult, adding in vibrations to the swing would only make it even more chaotic and inaccurate. If someone is willing to say that Squall can control it, it must mean that the amount of vibrations/energy released is rather small, making the boost it adds almost insignifigant.
Now, if the gunblade was setup to release a form of propellant energy in the exact direction the blade was swinging, that I can understand working. But as of yet, I haven't seen anyone argue that point. If a gunblade is already on path to where it's going to cut, and you pull the trigger to release a burst of energy in the form a of propellant to increase the power of your actual swing, then the idea behind a gunblade is feasable. This would still be difficult to use, but not nearly as hard to control as your sword vibrating back and forth.

So yeah, I definetly support Keyblades...because they're magic... '
That's a really lame reason...lol.

Really, I can't say either is that ridiculous.

I mean, if you look at a keyblade, the general idea of it is, well, an axe. An axe that has a handle more like a sword's, with the guard and all. Of course, when you look at the actual designs for many of them, they're blunt, but... I dunno. That sort of bothers me, but at the same time, it doesn't bother me much. Taking into account stuff like DV pointed out (although I've never seen that made an "official" statement by the creators, so that may just be his view of it), it makes sense for keyblades to affect Heartless in a different way than, say, humans. ...I dunno, the only thing weird about a keyblade is the blade (or lack thereof, for some). It's just never really explained how exactly it does what it does, so most just seem like bludgeoning weapons.

Gunblades aren't strange at all. Just think the opposite of a bayonet on a rifle. Rather than a long barrel with a smaller blade at the end, take a short barrel and add it onto a long blade. Of course, when you look at the designs for gunblades in FF VIII, it's highly questionable how exactly these things work, though I'd blame that more on the designs than the concept. If you take a look at Ashley's (or Janus', for that matter) bayonet from the Wild Arms series, that could be labeled a "gunblade" easily, as it's just as I suggested: a long blade with a short barrel attached for firing. The FF VII AC "gunblades" are a bit of a different concept, from what I can tell, but they're still reasonable forms of gunblades. If I were to say anything about a gunblade were ridiculous, I'd only say the designs in FF VIII were a bit strange. (Most people assume that there are two barrels running parallel to the blade. Look up "gunblade" on eBay, and you'll find plenty of homemade ones based on that idea.)

Imagine having a gun and shooting the person with a sword that has a trigger.

I find them to be equally ridiculous to be honest. I don't like either, at all.

Apparently, Gunblades DON'T SHOOT BULLETS in FFVIII

I think Dragon Venom has picked up on this... what happens is a bullet is shot directly into the blade as the trigger is pulled creating a vibration which causes damage. This is what I heard... I just can't be bothered to find source (I know it's from that bloody ultamanium guide). Either way it makes sense... just look at where the gun is in the blade.

So yeah, Gunblades are a little stupid... but at least they are somewhat believable... seeing someone fight with a huge key is just plain stupid. In fact, I think it looked really odd in Montyoum's Dead Fantasy when Kairi appeared with her keys... It just didn't look right.

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say anything outside of a basic medieval weapon is going to be considered rediculous...
That's why these games are considered to be fantasy and should not be taken out of context if you truly wish to explain them.
And I already explained how vibrations won't work.

And I think the reason why you're thinking a keyblade is stupid is because you keep looking at the fact that it looks like a key...yes, it looks like a key! If anyone doubts how powerful a thin mace can be, please go and argue with the thousands of people killed off through basic tree limbs cut down to a cylinder, or even simple metal ones. Just because it isn't bladed doesn't mean it can't hurt people.

And concerning Chalryn's post, yes, it is my view, but I did attain it through a direct reference in the game. The keyblade has the power to "banish" darkness, effectively force it out. So basically, when the keyblade, a thin metal rod that has the momentum of Sora's entire body, hits a heartless across the head, it suffers a physical blow while also taking the extra damage/pain of it's entiring being being wrenched away from the magic within the keyblade. When a heartless is destroyed, the darkness is banished and therefore the heart is then able to float away, pure.

Alright, point proven about the keyblade's effect, then. It's been a while since I played either game, so I didn't remember anything that specific being stated about its effect.

Upon voting I see i made the right choice lol.
Keyblades ARE the more ridiculous BUT I tend to like the idea of them more than a gun blade. Dont get me wrong each is kewl and everything but there's something about a keyblade that's a fraction more original and that alone is a big selling point for me.
though Squal...gunblade...oh yea thats awesome lol

Personally I actually like them both a lot. I think they are both unique weapons but if I had to choose I think the keyblade is more ridiculous.

Keyblades. How can you kill your enemies with a key? Though it is ridiculous, I like the keyblade. It is just perfect for the game.

We've had that discussion already. If you doubt the power of metal rod against unarmored limbs/heads/bodies/zombies, please go play more 'realistic' video games, or try it out yourself. You will be amazed.

Just for the sake of mentioning it, ever notice that Sora doesn't even use the "bladed" end of the keyblade? I know for a fact this is the case with at least the Kingdom Key, though I'm pretty sure it's the same for most/all of the other keyblades as well. (Yet the bladed side seems to be used in some of the trailers, like Roxas using them in Deep Dive...) Although the point about "banishing darkness" has already been made, it just kinda defeats the purpose of calling them blades.

Yeah, pretty much...

I suppose because they are used as swords more so than maces they are known as blades, or the physical/magical shape that banishes darkness is that of a knife/blade along the 'blade' of the Keyblade.

*shrug*

I never said I doubted the power. But seriously, there is no sharp end of a keyblade. So how can it be named a blade if it isn't. All you can do is hit someone with it on the head like it was a club that Bam-Bam used in The Flintstones cartoon.

Blades are the best weapon in realistic games like Devil May Cry, Prince of Persia, Dynasty Warriors, etc. And I use it alot, but aren't we talking about Kingdom Hearts only? The only blade in KH that looks like a blade is Riku's keyblade.

Oblivion, Sleeping Lion, Lionheart, and the original Ultima were all bladed.

The idea of it being a blade is indeed wrong, and the only way we have to explain it is really speculation. It was misnamed, based on the information we have, but considering Nomura hasn't had an issue with the name, we can't really argue that.

The best explanation for it so far is that it cuts through darkness, as if it was a blade. It's use is also used as a sword, rather than a sword. Despite it not being noticably edged, Keyblades are always shown slashing with the "blade" portion of the Keyblade (arg...damn name.) So basically, the way it's used is far more similar to a sword than a mace.

And on a random note. Spears>swords in Dynasty Warriors. >.>

I think it's named Keyblade because Keysword, Keymace, Keywand or Keyhammer just don't sound as cool. Who cares if it has sharp edges or not? It effectively kills things in the game, that's all that matters to me. Unless you want to make one and actually be able to chop a Heartless to death in real life, eh, more power to you.

The keyblade name is simple: Bladed or not, the general design resembles that of a sword.

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I just found it hilarious how in the english release of the first kingdom hearts they actually expected you to believe that someone as badass as Sephiroth actually challenged Sora for the keyblade. >.> yea...I'm really gonna exchange my 7 ft long sword for a blunt object....yea...that makes sense

Um. 7 ft sword or not, the Keyblade has the ability to both lock and unlock people's hearts, as well as World's hearts. He would quite literally be able to destroy entire worlds with very little effort. And he'd be able to just turn anyone he wanted into a Heartless by unlocking their heart, and then use them as subordinates!
Limitless power anyone?

Yeah, the Masamune is badass, but the Keyblade does have it's own badass qualities. Don't forget, he wasn't exchanging, he was just going to take it so he had both.

WHAT ARE YOU SAIYING?!

They're both sooo COOL!!!

Seriously, I thought the Gunblade was the coolest FF weapon!!

AS for the Keyblade, I found it very weird when I first heard of it, but it did make sense for KH universe. Plus, some of them have really cool design! Like Oblivion!

And let's not forget the the 7ft long sword LOST!

I think the concept of Keyblade is kinda lame. Lol.

Its kinda Like A.B.A in Guilty Gear.

Though her skills are awesome. Yeah...

But Sora... =\

Both fail, because:

- Keyblade: you're using a giant key to attack! I mean, what?
- Gunblade: A sword that has "gun" in it's name, but doesn't fire bullets... (well, it does, if you use the R1, to give criticals, the blast sends a shockwave through the blade that make the attack more powerfull, etc.)

Anyway, my point is... from the two, the gunblade is sexier and more useful.

BTW, the gun blade uses bullets but HAS NO BARREL!! Nor hole for the bullet to go out!!



HUH?!

The whole design is sexier then the keyblade. Eye candy, whatever you want to call it.

Um...

We've already discussed the Gunblade and how it works, if you could read a few pages back.

And the Gunblade does look sexier. That much I will admit.

Was that for me? I didn't try to explain it, I just pointed out whay I thought it was "ridiculous" in a way. But since you brought it up...



A quote from yourself:



So you're comparing the world of FF VIII with KH? Well, that in my book, is taking them out of context, comparing a world of "magic" with a world... huh... not so "magical".



No, it does not make the "blade" sharp. It's "magical", so the "blade" doesn't need to be sharp.



You answered yourself with the first bold. The gunblade is indeed powerfull, but only a few can withstand it's vibration power and control it.

As for the second bold, wrong, that just means that only a few people can master and control the full power of a gunblade, in this case, Squall and Seifer. I really don't understand that part in red though. How can you say that, assuming that Squall is one of the few that can control it? I fail to see your point.

If you're telling us that the gunblade is uneffective because few people can actually use it, then what about the Keyblade? Only a few people can use it, is it still uneffective for you? No, then your arguments for the gunblade being inferior to the keyblade, pretty much are just assumptions directed to the vibration issue, with a spice with your personal oppinion.

But hey, we're just assuming right?


Yes, it is.

What's that suposed to mean?!...



Also, I don't think the gunblade shoots anything. I know it has "bullets" and you could even thing the barrel is hidden inside de blade, BUT THERE'S NO EXIT HOLE!!!

So those bullets must be somewhat magical...

What's this supposed to mean is that it's pointless to compare two different worlds that run on completely different mechanics.

I don't really know why you guys are still pressing on the bullet matter of the gunblade. How about compressed air? Wouldn't that be more acceptable?

No, it was for Final Fantasist.


There isn't actually a blade that forms. The idea that the keyblade has a sharp edge against darkness is to better explain the way it's magic, which is different from any other magic, works. Despite it's shape, it has the ability to "Cut" through darkness, where as, every other weapon, despite it's actual edge, can simply hurt darkness. Darkness might as well be a base element, and so when it forms a shape, only the keyblade can truly destroy the darkness it embodies. The idea of the keyblade having an edge is only to better explain that it has the ability to "cut" through darkness.



I didn't quite explain myself well enough for the first bold. Using a weapon with a bent handle is very different from using a weapon with a straight handle. It is far more unwieldly, making it much more difficult to use, outright. Adding in the vibrations afterward, it makes using a gunblade even more difficult.

With such difficulty to simply control the gunblade and then having to deal with additional stress, that stress must not be very great, because if it was, then the gunblade would be totally and completely unwieldly, making it nearly impossible to use except for those with absolutely excessive strength.

And so, Squall and Siefer are the only ones who use Gunblades. Actually, Seifer uses it improperly all the way until your final battle with him, where he occasionally uses it correctly. So really, Squall is the only one, and he's not that built. Therefore, the vibrations must be rather small. (His jacket kinda covers his arms, but if it's as thick on the arms as the chest portion, I can't imagine he's that muscly.)

And the gunblade is very effective, but very few people can use it. The keyblade, in itself, can be used by everyone, it's just that the keyblade is the one who chooses, not the person.


*shrug*

Ahh, I gotta agree on that one! Sure do!

Then again, Squall and his Keyblade is on KH!




Simple: we have no lives to live!

And maybe the bullet is some sort of crystalized magic, like Mustadio's guns, but not needin an exit hole, instead charging the blade...

Wow, this arguement is STILL going on??? wow. I think both are cool, but I hated FF8, so therefore KEYBLADE!!!!

You mean Squall and his Gunblade. >.>

Opsie! Typo!
Too mane blades for on topic!