1. graphicks being out date
2. no tolking on the charcters
3. not contain charcter from finale fantisy
4. main charcter "link" be very weakling
5. cartoon artstlye
6. made by nintndo wery bad track reckord
7. beinf hav gamecube graphicks

I totally agree on all points. Finale Fantisy charcters rule and should be in Zelda games and every other game for that matter. Link is so be very weakling that I slam my head in a car door in disgust. I wish the charcters would tolking on, too. Nintndo puts out nothing but horrible games that have terrible, out date graphicks and they should get better at making games I like.

Ok, I'm not going to make fun of your english (although its funny), but most of the reasons listed for hating zelda are kind of shallow or stupid. I'll go in order as to why.

1. The last Zelda game did not have bad graphics by any means. They weren't amazing, but to call them bad is just showing that current gen games have spoiled you (I don't consider TP to be current gen because it was made for gamecube). All other Zelda games seem to have out of date graphics because they are older games, but for the time period they were made, they were quite in date.
2. While this is a legitimate complaint, to me its only a minor problem that I really don't think is worth complaining about. However, I know there are people who will disagree with me, so I guess this complaint is acceptable.
3. This is probably the most shallow/stupid reason here. The majority of games don't contain Final Fantasy characters (characters that aren't even that good, btw) so saying that you hate the Zelda series because it doesn't contain characters from a completely different franchise made by a completely different company is ridiculous. I would make fun of this, but I'm trying to be civil.
4. I don't really get what you're saying here, so I'll interpret it as "I don't like Link". I guess if you don't like the character, then you wouldn't like the game, but what confuses me here is, Link is a silent hero with the name Link because he is meant to "Link" the player to the world of the game. You, the player, are supposed to react for Link, and control him, as he is supposed to be "you" in the game.
5. Cartoon art-style goes back with graphics, I guess, and thats kind of being shallow. Besides, there was only a cartoon art-style in one game (two if you count Phantom Hourglass I guess), so thats not exactly a valid complaint as to why you hate the Zelda franchise.
6. Simply not true. For example, the Mario, Metroid, Super Smash Bros., Star Fox, Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, as well as other games. I guess if you don't like any of those, you could say there aren't any good games, but they still have a good track record as one of the few early video game companies still making consoles.
7. See number 1.

Actually relatively speaking, I kind of did feel ToP had amazing graphics XD obviously not compared to some of the game sout now, but qwhen you think it was on the cube, and what all the oter games for the cube had esablished as the standard, those graphics were pretty amazing. I mean ,the textures annoyed me a bit, but the lighting was really really cool. XD just to add a fanboy response and all.

Anyway, MightOFKerghan, i don't like you. Because you are not a finale fantisy character. XD.

And just to be a smartass, almost none of the FF's themselves have characters from the others, excluding a few select sequels. By your own logic, you don't even like final fantasy, because it does not have characters from another one. And we obviously can't go and enjoy new characters.

all I can say is, you don't know ##### about games.

EDIT: obviously Zelda games are going to have bad graphics, no talking, and what you call "cartoon art style", and do you know why? Because first of all, Zelda first came out a long ass time ago, so obv bad graphics and sound, second, everything else what you just said basically, is because of them being original. Apparently you never played a good game that's original.

i dont really agree with too much you said but i will agree i dont like any of the zelda games myself. I have never been a fan, just could not get into them.

I am convinced that this guy is a joke character. Come on, fess up, whose alternate forum identity is this?

Hilarious, btw.

Ya, it must have been someone's drunken sailor (minus all the profanity) user ID who made this post.

I loved the Zelda Series. Haven't played TP yet... (plan to by the end of the year.... hopefully) but I loved every other one.

1. I suppose you don't play many games that are 3-D then.
2. Obviously not old school.
3. LOL!
4. Yea being the holder of the Triforce of Courage is very weak. /sarcasm
5. I agree here for windwaker and phantom hourglass.
6. Very bad track record with what? "Kiddy reputation" has been done to death. Where's SEGA who tuck tail and ran?
7. Gamecube is dead, get wiff Wii.

I obv agree. The only thing this is used for now is for people who have melee but can't afford a Wii.

I wouldn't get a Wii. It's barely a step above the GC.

agreed. its not like the wii took a huge step up in any category besides a gimmick controller, but hell id rather use a gamecube controller.

agreed





and.. agreed.

Quote1: I wouldn't say barely.... I loved GC and am not a HUGE graphics nut.... and I won't be owning a PS3 in the near future.... so I think Wii's graphics isn't too bad as long as the games are quality.


Quote 2: Awwww, the poor man doesn't want to actually move his wrists and/or arms..... sad sad sad

haha id just rather play good games on a good system with a controller that just sits perfectly in my hand. If i wanted to move my hands/wrists i would go outside and play a sport.

but thats completely off topic

The Wii has good quality games?

Their third party selection is a monstrosity.

Oh yeah and I guess we killed this topic. Back to how we should hater Zeldas.

lul

They stopped franchising GC games, but you can still play them on your Wii nonetheless, and now Gamecube games are not being sold in highly populated gaming stores anymore. You would now have to either find them in a used store or a pawn shop.



Without a battery charger, a Gamecube controller would be better as Wii controllers uses up Alkaline.

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The only thing that I hate about the Zelda games is the lack of plot when it comes to Gannon returning too many times, especially after he still survives after even getting a Master Sword getting planted upside his head, but nonetheless I am gussing that whenever Ganon returns in them it's just that I think that during those times Nintendo lacks ideas.

Is there a reason?

Well I can say is that Ganon returning is not a problem after a good compelling story without him which has not happened since after Majora's Mask.

I hate that I haven't played a Zelda game in a few years. I played Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask to death. I beat Ocarina at least 6 times and I beat Majora twice. (That damn fish in the Water Temple. I hate him SO much.)

But, as I don't have a Gamecube or like playing the handhelds, I haven't played a Zelda game in a long ass time. I will be getting a Gamecube someday and one of the first few games I get for it will be Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. I heard both of them are greatness, so I can't wait.

I found it easier than I was told. I had more trouble on the temple before I fought the fish.

why than grav dig?

in than any case, i still having same owinion. than zelda sucker i hate than death less.

i are than cahlenge you prove me rong.

It’s sort of hard to prove opinions wrong, but that might just be me...=).

it just you.

I lol'd hard. This must have been a troll.

i not are than troll!

than are just evade argument. i than beg of you - giv me one reson why than zelda not sucker?

i go bed now. good night and good luck than.

I'm still laughing, but I'll answer your question why it doesn't suck to me.

Because I grew up playing it. I have a childhood affinity with it, and so, whatever sequels come out, there will be a better chance of me liking it more, as long as they keep game elements fresh.

Interesting dungeons, great bosses, good amount of stuff to use, used to have a pretty good story (I still enjoy the whole Link vs. Ganon thing, but I can understand why people are tired of it), its a fun concept in general.

It obviously wasn't the first adventure game, but it seemed to be the one that did everything right by making a story and such (I might be wrong about that, the original zelda was before my time).

Ocarina of Time took all of these great concepts that were only in 2D and made it 3D, it was, like GTA III, a revolutionary game.

I think thats a few reasons why Zelda doesn't sucker. I'm not thinking well, so if someone could give me more reasons, that would be great.

Speaking of hating though, the only complaint I really have is that the more recent games (especially TP) have been far too easy. A harder game would make the game a whole lot more fun for me.

Than like overuze than story? how you liking spideman if every than movie doctir otavious coming back? one time he revitalize with than red bull, one time than crazy mofo venom ressurecting him, one time he than bit radioactive caterpilar, one time he built back as robot like than meta-cooler form dorgon blal zed. than soon become tired story. we becoming sick of than doctir octovious. more like than doctir obvius!



waht about than finale fantesy com out than 1992? than i like more from than super mario brother. than nother porblem with nitnedno! than rehash 50 super mariop! mario brother, mario wolrd, mario RPG, mario rockstar, guitar hero

than are big porblem!



ocrania of tmie than sucker as well.


than all poor reeson why!! than!



I not undersand waht than try to say hear.

Opinion = “a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge”


...Since apparently my last post got lost in translation. >.>.

When the first LoZ game came out, the story was original (as I said before) and while it is getting overused at this point, I still enjoy it, but can see why others don't enjoy it (as I said before).

Next up is the Final Fantasy thing, first of all, Final Fantasy (lets go with Japan release dates since thats when the games were first released) came out originally in 1987, not 1992, whereas Legend of Zelda came out in 1986, so yes, Zelda came out before Final Fantasy (which would also explain why it doesn't have Final Fantasy characters in it).

Third, you haven't even supported yourself as to why Ocarina of Time suckers.

Fourth, how are those poor reasons why Zelda doesn't suck? If you look at the original post, you'll see some stupid complaints as to why Zelda sucks, and the reasons I gave are the reasons why the games are so critically acclaimed, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Finally, you were quoting my sig, so thats why it doesn't make sense in the context of this argument.

Also, I don't think I would call Guitar Hero a mario spin off. At all.

HERES SOMETHING TO PROVE YOU WRONG

If Zelda sucks so much than why is the series still going strong, there are one or two of the games voted BEST Ever on some random internet lists somewhere like on IGN or something, and in some game magazines >_> I'm too lazy to go search it so search it yourself., Same with Links character. etc



Ganon Vs. Link is classic. Yeah they should probably change it up a little bit, but still, its great.


Also.
Probably shouldn't feed the trolls but it's just a big annoying. I lol'd at the second post.

BTW
DONT MESS WITH THE SUPER MARIO RPG, YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE MISTER. Cause look, it may be a rehashed Idea on NITENDO, also the first Final Fantasy games were on Nitendo and SMRPG was a joint effort by Square and Nitendo, thus Culex's appearance and FF4(Ithink) boss theme in it.

Though anyways, your opinion is your own, indeed, and as Dragon Brigade said earlier hard to prove opinions wrong XD
So go on, keep hatering the Zeldas, you playa.

I like the Old and New ones.

I mean just look:http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/215464.html
Even if you hate them or love them, this is awsome

MightOfKerghan, you have not really given real reasons why all Zeldas suck. Give me 10 "real" reasons why it sucks, and I will be able to prove you wrong on all of them. Zelda is one of the best and most loved series out there and to Say ocarina of time suckers is a travesty when it is one of the highest ranked games out there.(Like AbYsS said)

You say the graphics suck, but each Zelda had quite good graphics for the time and consoles they were released on. The Twilight Princess is still good graphically to look at and that is from a last generation console. You say the story is re-used, but each story is different in different ways, so they are not exactly the same are they. Which gives a different experience every time.

Have you even played any of the Zelda's?

Zelda sucks for many reasons.

1. Every Zelda game that is released tries to play on the nostalgia from it's predecessor. This is most obvious in the similarities between TP and OOC.

2. They try to make Link the "love-able loser" to attract jrpg fans. Don't take this personally, I'm just stating the obvious.

3. No voice-acting. They try to pass this off as "tradition" but in reality it is because they can save a lot of money this way, and get away with it, because Nintardo fans don't realize that they are being robbed blind.

4. The dungeons seem very uninspired, and childish. The monkeys in the first dungeon, for example, made me want to vomit.

5. They tried to make it less hardcore, to attract another fan base. This, in itself, made me lose the very little respect I had for Nintendo.

6. NPC's are not only un-interesting, they also have no dialogue, no motives, and no personality whatsoever. Count this along with the fact that you can't have followers, and you have pretty much zero interaction with the world.

7. Lack of free-roaming. You are pretty much on rails throughout the entire game.

I find it funny how you have suddenly inquired better grammar and spelling skills. Hmm, strange.

1) What is wrong with nostalgia? Mario has done it and I see no one crying about that. Nostalgia is what makes some games good.

2) Lovable loser? Yes, each games main character has a different personality and way that person is. That is part of the game/series. That is not a valid reason.

3) Why does a game have to have voice acting? Voice acting would spoil Zelda, like it has done to many other games. Voice acting is not always the best way. Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX for instance shows a game can be great without it.

4) Uninspired? Every temple uses different things and ways to make each temple mostly different from the rest. Monkeys, wall climbing with Iron Boots, swimming, controlling statues, using wind, etc. So I don't see that as a valid reason either. The Items also feature heavily in each temple which I also don't see other games or series that do this in the way the Zelda games do.

5) Making it less hardcore so that other people who are not hardcore as you can enjoy the game too. I don't really see a problem in that. Making a higher difficulty setting would be nice though.

6) Followers? The secret society in the bar in Hyrule town does not fall into that category then? So some NPCs are not there to help you gain items and secrets and some giving hint, so thus rendering them uninteresting.

7) Lack of free roaming? So you cannot roam around lake hylia, hyrule field, the Desert and any other places until you gain the items or ways to gain access to different areas? That doesn't make it bad, each area is very expansive when you do get to them. It's more free roaming than many other games are though.

So in closing with extras such as popularity, sales records and rankings, and a great series Zelda in fact does not sucker.

I would not call Zelda "on-rails" because honestly, its not that linear. However, I will not go and say that its a non-linear game either, because you can't do whatever you want whenever you want, because you generally need certain items to do certain things.

I don't really see how Link is at all a lovable loser in any way. He purposely lacks much personality because, as I've said before, he is supposed to be the "Link" between you, the player, and the game world.

I guess it does play on nostalgia, however, but I don't see how thats a problem, and even when they don't use nostalgia and do something new, people get upset and complain about it (Wind Waker, for example).

I'm still a little confused what you mean by followers. Do you mean a party, or do you mean NPCs that follow you around because of things you've done in the game. Anyway, Zelda just isn't that type of game, and I would say that games where you gain "followers" are in the minority.

I'm just going to skip the other arguments for now unless you want me to respond to them to go to a point that I personally agree with. The difficulty in the past few Zelda games (especially TP) was really low, and I think that Nintendo should up the difficulty, or make a hard difficulty setting for the games, otherwise people like me will probably begin to stop buying the games.

Although I like the 3D game engine from Ocarina of Time to the Twilight Princess, I think Nintendo should create a entirely new engine for the next Zelda title they release. I am sure I read somewhere that Shigsy wanted to do this after TP, but I am not sure. Apart from that and the difficulty as you said and the length, I don't have any bad things to say about Zelda.

I picked up the Phantom Hourglass today and it is the first time I have played a handheld Zelda since the four swords and I have no complaints about this version either. Using the stylus is actually quite fun.

you make a convincing argument sir

Kerghan, just stop posting.

It was already determined that MoK is a worthless troll who has to pretend to be someone else. Thus, this topic has no real point.