Some people claim the dog to already be dead because of it's tongue hanging out of its mouth during the video.

The video can be found on the website that I took the article from;
http://headonradionetwork.com/blog/2008/03...viewer-warning/

Discuss.

than common display-ing of than ego humans. than humans thinkinh that than can do wenever they wanting the than unwilling animals. letting us not forgets of than us troops in iraq blowing up than dog (video availablle on youtube). than not only case with americans. than arabians aswell hurting hunting coyote wery much and bad treatment.

than can olny being remedied by one things
war of dogs on than humans bloody mess setting than huumans straight/

i saw this on the news a couple of days ago, they said that they don't know if it actually happened. But still, why would you throw a puppy off a cliff for fun?

Theres been discussions to whether this is fake or not, I still have no idea.

Worst part about is that where people are attacking him on myspace (in all right, I guess), there's people defending him by just saying that there are worse things to be caring about then dogs. How does this excuse the fact what he just did? Sure, there are more people dying out there, but what right does that give one to do such a thing?

Yeah I dont know if its real or not either, but if it is what a total #####, hope he gets stuck somewhere unfamiliar and gets raped numerous times by mutant sand people, like in The Hills have Eyes.

It is real. They send all those stupid psycho jocks from highschool into the army and this is what you get.

Ridiculous.

this is really sad.. thats all i can say.. they need to throw him in a cage with a bunch of rabid dogs

well, if it is real, when he gets back, hes going to jail for animal abuse.

Well... Not being to one to justify this... but soldiers go through a lot out there. I mean, one minute they'll be laughing it up with a friend, the next that friend is only so much pulpy flesh covered in shrapnel. War makes a man do harsh things. There has been crazy research done to people that go to war, and its like they turn off a lot of emotions, just so they don't mentally destroy themselves. And you know... as much as I love dogs... its still just a dog. To say that you want to see a human killed and a dog live in its place seems pretty evil to me. Not that I'm saying I enjoyed that video though... definitely shouldn't have shown up on the internet.

The death of a puppy makes you all squirm, but the death of millions of civilians does nothing.
Brilliant.

When you're big and strong you must protect the small and weak.

Still it's kind of ironic. This has been the case for as long as I remember, when some people would be like, "Oh people die in war," whenever a story about a bunch of civillians dying in any given war, but the moment an animals (has to be cute, ie, a rabbit, a lamb, a puppy) take a casualty, everyone cries "HOW COULD THEY DO THIS?!" When everyone dismisses human lives as simple casualties of war - statistics, and animals as tragedies, you have to wonder how this ##### works.

Though the guy's a douche for throwing that puppy and then shrugging about it, hell he's more than that, don't forget that being a marine, he's been shot at, probably shot a bunch of people, etc. Post traumatic stress disorder can awaken some sociopathic tendencies in a lot of people, and if it stops a man from going Rambo on a Colorado town when he gets back, let him kill a puppy.

poor puppy this bloke is a idiot i love dogs i dnt know how people could just do that he must have been on the crack

actually i am completely against the war and all the people who have to die, but i also do not like the death of a puppy. All killing makes me sad faced.. and btw, im sure that puppy is a much better friend than that loser

Oh what the ##### ever. Don't be a tool. :: Points to topic title :: We're addressing THIS particular topic.

Oh, no. You're right, Tony. No one at all cares about the atrocities in the middle east. Not a one of us. We're too concerned about this puppy here.

I think you need to take that angst out on the media. We didn't write this article.

I'm not so much speaking of this particular place as much as the amount of attention and outrage this article incited all around the web.

Of course its always unnerving to see some idiotic prick with no respect for life in our armed forces, but this should be common knowledge by this point.

Also, Denim.
This link should confuse the hell out of you.

Baw, poor soldier and his poor war torn existence. It's not his fault he killed a puppy. It's not like he signed himself up for the military. And I'm sure the fighting is HARSH in Hawaii. Hulabombers and such.

That is if the video is real, if not then his parents should have paid a little more attention to him. At least he's not a Navy Pedo though.

...Is that like Mouz except the cats are now Americans in Vietnam instead of nazis? lol. You're right, I am confused.



No one said it wasn't his fault. But still, it's really still just a puppy. >_>; they drown puppies and kittens whenever they get a litter in most countries of the world, and in rural parts of the US anyway. Sure he's a prick, but there's seriously a problem when people value a life of a puppy more than that of a person. Consider some of the replies on here.

By saying "it's just a puppy" you're making it sound like people shouldn't give a #####. I don't care if other people kill them, and I don't care if other posters think that a puppy matters more than a person, I was just saying that most of the defenses used are retarded.

People read about people getting killed every day, it's not news anymore.

Well, I don't mean to start an argument but a puppy getting killed should be news? Why should people give a ##### about a soldier kicking a puppy? In many a suburb there's the kid who dissects squirrels with a pocket knife, or throws cats about by the tails, or all over the world there's the guy who will swerve on the road to purposely hit any animal he comes across. This isn't news -at all-.

But I'm stupid anyway, so I'm done.

Putting words in my mouth is no way to get an explanation, for the record. I never said this was newsworthy, and I recall it being covered by ABC so.. yeah, not a very good group.

Other people harming animals doesn't make this okay. I don' know why you would even bother saying that to me, it has nothing to do with this. If every single person on the planet killed an animal, I would say they're all ##### up, not "Oh everyone else is doing it, awesome!".

I didn't say it was okay, ever, I said others did it, and it wasn't on the news, so why is this special? We pretty much agree on this, so what the ##### is this argument even about?

Also, if you were raised with the idea that killing animals is okay because everybody does, chances are, you'd end up doing it too >_>. But that's nature vs. nurture and conditioning which has little to do with this topic anyway.

uhh, I was on the phone, so I think I misread something, hahah. But yeah, like I said ABC is ##### news. This isn't special at all, I just think it's weird that anyone would defend that little twat.

"It's just a puppy" is probably the biggest ####### Ive ever heard.

The fact that you're a human, or should I say, "Just a human", does that therefor give me the right to throw you off a cliff and laugh about it?

Your family is "Just your family". Does that give me the right to throw all of them off a cliff as well so I can laugh at them too?

just because you have the power to kill does not mean you should, nor does it mean you have the right. And that goes with whatever it is you are killing.

BINGO

It doesn't matter if its human or animal, I cant stand it when people did stuff like this and dont feel bad about what they done. Like "oh well, I'll just toss'em over".

The death of man is caused by man.

If two dogs just so happened to be fighting, for reasons other then man intervention, then I would feel nothing.

But for someone "protecting our country" to kill a dog, I do indeed feel bad. We have had no draft thus far. My cousin was/is in Iraq right now. if he dies, I'll say "#####, i'll never see him again" and nothing more. He joined voluntarily, taking the risks.

Back to the dog. The dog was born. The dog met some people. The dog was thrown off a cliff.

Yes, I feel horrible, and think that solider has some serious mental problems. When/If he comes back to america, I feel as though actions against him should be taken.

Now, for those who were born in Iraq. I say they are in the same situation, please, don't quote this and start mindless fighting. I don't care if 9/11 was a conspiracy or not. The situation is that it happened. And we are protecting our country. Weather or not that is the real reason, shall not be discussed in this topic. Quote me, and put it in that topic if you for some reason feel that it needs to be discussed.

Well... I'm sure if a civilian got thrown off a cliff and there was a video floating around, we'd be just as outraged, if not moreso. The problem there is that the numbers are so big that we can't fathom it all, so we choose not to think about it.

*points to my sig*

I've said more ridiculous things, but I stand by what I said. I would never kill one, I'd chastise anyone who would or did for any reason including having too many and drowning them like many people would. But you know what? Maybe this would matter if it were someone important and not just some guy (even if he is in uniform). Some guys always do ##### like this, and if there's a video tape of every some guy killing some animal on the news, we'd never run out of ##### news.

So okay. Fine. Be outraged at this, whether or not this is is fake, whether the puppy was ticking or not (joking, bombs don't tick anymore V_V), whether this guy is ##### up from birth or from the circumstances of his life, but the fact of the matter is, it's not worth a news topic, just the same as every burglary in which there are fatalities isn't discussed on this forum. This is the sort of thing that doesn't deserve as much attention as you people give it.

Compare the replies and reactions from this thread to the one I'm linking
Old NCE thread

Ah don't worry about it. Nothing surprising about that(obviously I missed it). Humans generally don't care other humans..unless theres some kind of benefit to be had.

You wouldnt mind if I happen to throw you off a cliff then? After all, you're just a human.


What's your point?

Ya, I'm with you on that. Don't get me wrong, I support the troops as a whole more than most people... but there's a definate gradation of the IQ level of the grunts vs. the whole army. I sincerely think they should make stiffer IQ requirements for soldiers. (but wait... would that cause an enormous drop in enlisting???)

Also, if you do something like that, why the poop would you put it on public display??? Do they think it's cool like streaking across campus?? (I'm not saying it's cool, just that some people think running across campus in the buff makes you cool or something...)

I think Tony is looking for a soapbox that isn't there.

Well, the topic old Vins posted had a seriously large amount of humor than this puppy one. And that one had soldiers sticking spoons in dead people's brains and #####.

And okay, go throw me off a cliff, I guess I wouldn't mind. A human > a puppy, and if you don't think so, you are either a vegetarian or a cannibal.

Don't forget that theres still a major difference, this thing got widespread over the media really fast so waaay more people saw and found out about this. Tell me, Tony, how many people do you think read that Iraqi vets article? Of course there's going to be a huge thing about this, just like any other scandalous thing happening over there that actually gets shown in the media, like Abu Ghajrab (dunno spelling) and physical abuse of random people that is filmed.

How does that make any sense at all? If you think puppy > human, you either eat vegetables, or meat. WTF?

Anyway, this is just another sign of why people shouldn't be in there in the first place. After killing allies every month, they now turn their face to helpless animals.
A puppy is just a puppy? Get a break!
I am against animal cruelty of all sorts, so obviously this upsets me. Guess that makes me a cannibal, or a vegetarian, huh?

Of course it is a bad thing that people are killing each other, though I am less concerned about the soldiers getting killed by the natives, as they choose to go there themselves.
What I find upsetting is that, instead of repairing a country, they do things like this and shoot other soldiers that fight on the same side, such as English soldiers.
What possible harm could the puppy do? I mean, it is understandable if the puppy attacked him with a rocketlauncher and 3 gatling guns, but for some reason, I doubt it was the case. Throwing a puppy off a cliff, what a mental piece of ##### you must be. I think the guy should've been thrown straight after, he certainly deserves it.

for once, i think i agree with you pes

It should. Considering how cruelty is a part of any meat preparation. The ##### a chicken goes through before you buy their breast or their legs, or their wings in the store, the ##### the bull goes through before you buy any of your beef. It SHOULD in fact make you a vegetarian, if you were to consider an animal on the same level as a human, as hopefully, you do not eat humans.

You know, I mean, we don't wait for the pig to die before we stab it to death.
And we don't just hope that the goose eats so much it's liver bursts so that we may eat it.
Or the fact that we cut off chicken's heads without the common decency of even knocking them out first.

Oh, but I suppose a dog is different. A dog is a pet. A dog is cute and such. It's not a chicken or a bull or a pig or a goose. But wait. Yes it is. Koreans and the Vietnamese eat dog. If you are truly against animal cruelty, you'd have foregone meat long ago. Otherwise you're standing on a hypocritical soap box where it's wrong to kill a puppy but not to cut off a chicken's head - there's no humane way to make the meat that you apparently eat, since you aren't a vegetarian.

And once again "they do things like this," rather than one man who may or may not be of sound mental health does something like this. THEY shoot at English soldiers, and not bad intelligence or a bad officer. It's THEY who are the problem, as a whole. Sure it's their choice to enlist. But if you get into a cab with a drunk cabbie in it, and he crashes and kills you, it's your fault for getting in the cab in the first place - right?. I doubt that you'd feel that way as you're lying maimed in the back seat.

Do you think that soldier ate that puppy?


Any unnecessarily killed animal brings us closer to downfall; every dead human prolongs our existence.

Vincent pretty much says it.
I know how cruel animals, when it comes down to chickens and pigs, but did you hear me say that I didn't care about that?
You even directly quoted me saying: "I am against animal cruelty of all sorts", that also includes chickens being massacred.
If we go back to the early days of the planet, mankind used to hunt animals as well. Chickens were used for their eggs, cows for their milk and everything was the same, in principal.
Nowadays, everything is stretched out of proportion and battery chickens are produced everyday. It is a sad and horrible truth, something am I not pleased with.
However, mankind needs iron, protein and vitamins to stay healthy and therefore meat must be eaten.
I eat my meat, because I like it and it is good for me. Doesn't change the fact that I can put the life of an animal at the same level as a human. I do, because I appreciate animals. I consider them to be the only pure thing left on this planet, we're slowly destroying and they're suffering because of us. How does that make our life better in the first place? We need to make camps for animals, so they can live, because we ruin their habitat.

Why can't you eat meat and at the same time protect animals? If any, you're the hypocrit here. Meat is something a human needs and I think that vegetarians are the lesser intelligent people here.
Hunting for food is in our nature, we ate deers/cows/chickens when we still lived in caves. Thinking I am being a hypocrit, because I eat meat, yet I am against animal cruelty is just a narrow point of view.
Never heard of free range chickens? I guess not, else you wouldn't talking like that. If there were alternatives for every form of mass meat productions, where animals weren't treated as poorly as nowadays, I would gladly take that alternative, unfortunatly, those aren't always/yet available.
Chickens have an alternative, which seems to be groing, I hope everything else will follow.

All that aside, a dog is indeed a pet. A dog is an animal that is willing to risk its life for his boss, because he wants to protect him/her. A loyal animal like that, thrown of a cliff, just like that.
As I said before, he's a stupid idiot that had to be thrown right after by the guy holding the camera and laughing.
And yes, in China they eat dog, or whatever country, but every country has their odd delicatesse. Like frogs and snails in France, spiders and grasshoppers in Africa, haggis in Scotland, need I go on?

Someone obviously didn't research a good vegetarian diet.
And you can say you're against it all you like, but you still support it by buying meat. Hey, I mean, I have no problem with chickens dying for my nourishment, but if you appreciate them so much, you should certainly forgo eating them. I mean, how would you like it if I ate you? You ##### wouldn't. It's hypocrisy to say you consider something your equal and then eat it, digest it, and ##### it out without a second thought.



You have an alternative. It's called not eating animals. I am not a hypocrite on this issue because I don't go around spouting BS about how OMFG POOR PUPPY SHOULD BE PROTECTED while I am microwaving some sausages for myself right now. Consistently I've said that a human IS worth more than a dog, consistently I've said this isn't at all worthy of news, consistently I've said no one should judge people without first knowing their side of their story, etc. etc. etc. I am not here telling you that I don't eat meat because animals are equal to people. I think that if I was to see something as my equal I would realize that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't enjoy me eating it. And vegetarianism is the way to avoid hurting and killing things YOU consider equal, and there's TONS UPON TONS of vegetables, fruits and other plants that will substitute what you're missing perfectly well.



You do not need to go on. But have you ever raised a bull to see if it would be loyal to you? Wouldn't it be awesome to go everywhere, and with you is a bull? Nope, you'd rather eat it. Your supposed equal, which not only do most people eat, many watch them get killed in bullfights for their own entertainment. A dog is an animal on the same level as an animal. If you see animals equal to you, you don't eat them for the same reason you don't eat people, otherwise it's unequal in the eyes of the average person. Is it right to say a lion is equal to a gazelle? No. In the same way a human isn't equal to an animal.

Any unnecessarily killed animal brings us closer to downfall; every dead human prolongs our existence.

What kind of moron school have you been going to? The animal thing may be right, but prolonging the existence of humans by killing humans is ludicrous.

Ironic, isn't it? Paradoxical. We are growing, expanding, overpopulating, inhabiting and building to make living space. The more we populate and take space, the less there is of everything else. Without everything else, we can't exist.

1. It is in our blood to eat meat. We have done so since we were living in caves, going against something like that, is as equal as us not drinking water.
2. Buying meat, does not mean one is supporting , for example battery chickens. I said it before, there are other alternatives to buy meat, meat that is prepared in a different way.
3. As you missed the point earlier, our human instinct tells us to eat meat. We are omnivores, so we eat meat. Open your eyes for once.
4. Animals are equal to (at least) humans, as I mentioned before. They're the only pure life form on this planet, that we're slowly destroying. They suffer, because of us. Yeah, that makes a human life better, doesn't it. We are the cause of many extinctions, but you simply don't care, you're too busy abusing nature. I'm not being a hypocrit here.
I value animal life, but that does not take away I can eat meat. See, a bear is an omnivorous animal, you don't see him think, what a nice human, I'll become a vegetarian, as I do not want to eat humans. Stop being so close minded, a bear would make no hesitation to eat you. Law of the jungle: the strong survive. The nature offers things to you, which you should take, this does not mean you should abuse it.



Not eating meat = not drinking water. It is human nature, why go against it? I explained it in my previous post and in this one as well, but you seem to forget to read it.
To be quite frank, I'd rather see you get thrown off that cliff 10x, than the dog once. This is a figure of speech of course, in case people misinterpret.
See, you have a way to defend yourself, by fighting back, this puppy had no chance whatsoever.
You see, there is no "other" side of the story. He threw a puppy off a cliff, he has a screw loose. You could think otherwise, but by doing so, you're likely to be a person to do it as well, because you might have a "so-called" reason for that.
And, the last part, I do not need to repeat myself again, read what I said before... twice.



Bulls have been hunt for centuries. What is your point? Killing a bull, because you need the food, or throwing it off a cliff, because you're bored. Guess which one is better? Indeed, the former.
Bulls have been food for mankind since they were being hunted. That aside, a bull takes no step back, he'll gladly take you on and pierce you with his horns. A bull would kill you, just as easily as you'd kill him.
You seem to forget that we're still a part of the animal kingdom, the only difference between humans and animals is, that we can think.

Of course you don't eat human, but how many species hunt for their own species? Ever seen lions kill lions, so that they can eat? The only times species fight themselves, is for power/territory. Not to eat each other.



You obviously don't understand it then.

Oh my god. I'm sorry. When I was talking to you, I didn't realize I was talking to a robot. I mean, somewhere, your programming is loose. I mean, when someone programmed the word Omnivore into you, someone forgot to mention that people can select their own diet.

Like they select their own mates.
And select to not throw puppies off cliffs.
And like they select to act all high and mighty over the death of a puppy which no one in all honesty should give a ##### about past the day of its death.
And the fact that humans can LIVE WITHOUT MEAT, whilst they can not live without drinking water.

Bears are not people. Bears do not have the ability to select their diet because they're obviously not sentient enough to have a morality - if you find it morally wrong to kill an animal, and you're eating a dead one you're supporting whoever killed them.

Go eat people - they make meat, they're animals, they're edible. I don't want to argue with a robot anymore.


As a footnote, animals don't eat their own species?
Gerbils. Hamsters. Small rodents. Marsupials. They all do it - some right after giving birth to them. Shut the ##### up.

It's about time someone taught that puppy a lesson.

Cute, care to elaborate more? It is always someone else, innit? Never you, Mr Iknoweverythingbetterthaneveryoneelse.



Indeed, but meat has been part of our system since mankind was born. Just because some idiots decide to not eat meat for whatever reason, doesn't mean everyone else should. You obviously still don't understand my post, so I am simply going to stop posting here, untill you do.



Yes, people need water and can live without meat. That is not the link I was making, learn to read pls. The link I made was that we have been eating mean since we were living in caves, yet have pets and whatever. You obviously haven't read my posts at all, or only decided to read what you wanted to read and made your own conclusion out of it.



Omg, do you even think when you post? See, here is where it goes wrong.
See, I post this before, the only difference between humans and animals is the power to think. Apart from that, we are the same.
A bear will kill you, because it doesn't give a crap. I will eat cow meat, as I like to eat cow meat. Doesn't meat I do not appreciate the cow for giving me his meat, doesn't mean I will throw another cow off a cliff, doesn't mean I will kill 19 cows for no reason.
It is how an animal is killed. I find it morally wrong to throw a puppy off a cliff, as any sane person knows, a puppy like that could do no harm.



You're not even argueing, all you're doing is talking out of your rear end.




Read my previous question before you answer it, making yourself look stupid.

Now, I said it earlier in this post, I will simply ignore your posts, untill they come with some decent answers, instead of just ranting how hypocritical I am, yet not even having the decency to try to understand my posts.

Here's the whole quote that you said I didn't understand about the whole not eating meat and not drinking water thing.

Eating meat and drinking water are the same you said because of human nature. Which is us being hunters and gatherers. We're not hunters and gatherers anymore. Le gasp? You could go on and on about evolution, but the fact of the matter is, nature's change. As our morality has changed from a savage one, we've come to a civilized one.

My point was, you can sit there and talk about the puppy and how wrong it was to kill it, but if you've eaten meat, you've eaten an animal that was killed much more cruelly. We are not bound to blah blah blah blah human nature, because if we were, we wouldn't have learned how to farm. I don't see why you insult vegetarians and call them less intelligent, that's some sort of stupid elitism you're going for. At least when they say "I DENOUNCE ALL ANIMAL CRUELTY!" they actually mean it, because they don't feed themselves with steaks and burgers and meatballs from terribly mutilated cattle. You ask for more meat, you ask for more animals to be killed, you are supporting it.

But I suppose you can't go against your programming.

Hey there hippy, make love, not bad posts.