Okay in this other thread I created about FF7 Sequels, I thought of the idea of Sephiroth turning good. The reason? Because I'm playing Crisis Core and he's definitely the best character in the game. Sephiroth is the MAN before he was possessed. He's witty, funny, likeable, acts like a hero, loyal to his friends, and actually very deep.

So do you think if Sephiroth comes back (Which I'm sure the creators will find some way for him to), would you like to see him turn good?

Like I said in the other thread, for those of you who've watched Kenshin, you may remember Shinomori Aoshi of the Oniwabanshu. All of Aoshi's best friends were killed, and wanted to prove to Kenshin that his Oniwabanshu was still the strongest, so for the longest time in the anime he was Kenshin's rival and was set on killing him. He was completely obsessed, losing all thought and reason, dedicating himself solely to Kenshin's defeat. Finally they duel, and Kenshin wins. Aoshi admits defeat and that his prioirites were wrong, and actually JOINS Kenshin and becomes part of his crew, till they're finally best friends (They never say it, but the feelings are clearly mutual).

Somehow, I'd LOVE to see that happen with Sephiroth and Cloud. I'd love to see Sephiroth come back, no longer under the control of Jenova (Because it's assumed Jenova's body is completely gone), and fight with Cloud to defend something. I can totally picture Genesis coming back to destroy the world, and having Sephiroth and Cloud fight together for the greater good.

I know they're the architypal good vs bad, black vs white stereotype, and they've semented themselves in gaming historys as one of the most template rivalries, but I think it'd be totally awesome to have a kickass character like Sephiroth join the good side.

Cause I mean, it's still possible to be badass and still be a good guy (Look at Vincent Valentine). Do you guys think he could pull it off? Would you like to see that?

I would have preferred to see something like that happen with Bellatrix Lestrange myself.

Er...On topic, I think that’d be interesting. I haven’t actually played any of the FFVIII’s (started FFVII on the PS1, but the game I was borrowing stopped working), so I can’t actually say from personal experience playing the games that I’d like it, but as a plot movement, it’d be interesting. If they kept making switches like that, it’d only keep the plot fresh. That, of course, is if they keep having him come back. Maybe there should be a FFVII without him? I think that’d be more devastating, haha. =p.

The closest thing to an FFVII without Sephiroth is Dirge of Cerberus. There's one brief flashback of Sephy, but that's all (on the other hand, they decided to pull off an insane plot twist by (DoC spoiler) ~having Hojo return from the grave~). Anyways, on topic: I personally think Sephy being a good guy could work, after all he was "good" before the Nibelheim incident.

However, the last poll option most fits my feelings on this issue: "Dude, are you still talking about Sephiroth?" xP

i definently think he could pull it off. i mean sephiroth is like god to almost everyother character in the game!!!!! besides, IT WAS ZACKS FAULT THAT SEPHIROTH WENT PSYCHO!!!!!!!!!! zack suggested that sephiroth was different in the factory causing him to go awol. but it really wasnt his fault at the same time.... but still resentment flows through me for sephiroth because he killed aeris... she is my favorite ff character PERIOD!!!!!!!!! but i respect sephiroth because it wasnt him who killed aeris it was jenova possessing him. but i didnt know that when i was cutting him apart on ff7 disc 3 with omnislash mwahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!! ending this, id love to see sephiroth turn good so i can put him into my party.

ULTIMATE PARTY:CLOUD(omnislash) AERIS(great gospel) SEPHIROTH(sin harvest)

id love to have this party.....

You really lost me there, but I'll have to say Zack(MAN TEARS)>>>>>>>>Sephiroth.

Personally right from the start I never saw Sephiroth as under Jenovas control at all. I've always felt that he 'went round the bend' and wanted to finish off what Jenova attempted to do but in his own way because he was very much in control of his own actions - in fact the official Final Fantasy VII Ultimania says that Sephiroth is the one in control and not Jenova - It's simply not true that Jenova was the one in control, so I voted no

Jenova was simply used as a pawn to stop people from ruining Sephs plan to summon meteor. If she were in control, she'd be the last boss lol.

Seph straight up went nuts when he found out he was "created" or whatever he was..

Straigth answer: NO!

Not the Sephrioth that you fight in FF7 or Advent Children or anything else after the FF7 game. As Shion said he went nut's after he learned about the truth about him self, even if his motivation is a bit foggy after that, he never really did any good things. And Crisis Core (even if I haven't played it) take time before that, right!

the only good parts about sephrioth take place before Nibelheim accident if I'm not mistaken.

Personal opinion: I don't like the idea, but I haven't played the Crisis core yet! maybe it is a good idea if I did, I don't know!

and your example with Kenshin and Shinomori Aoshi, isn't it opposite of Cloud and Sephrioth?
Kenshin is a good character all the way trough while Aoshi is the one who wavering in the grayzone between good and evil!
Sephrioth is the evil character and Cloud is the good one, but Cloud hesitate alot, which make's him more similar to Aoshi.

If Sephrioth would become good (after FF7 game) wouldn't Cloud become useless?

Him finding out about himself is so ##### forced. He seemed more or less aware of it in Crisis Core, but goes crazy when Zack asks a simple question. >_>. That didn't do him any justice at all.

Yeah, whatever, if he comes back, then all the redemption FF7 saw in Crisis Core is killed in my eyes.

Definately not. Going nuts after he learned the truth of himself, from that point on he was a lost cause. And now, all he wants to do is strangle the life out of the planet, he's just another slave. Can't see him turning around.

*sigh* do you people really understand sephy or not. he is both good and evil at the same time. sephy is a very complex character but at the same time he is very simple. before you judge sephy any further, play through cc, and ff7 so you can see what i mean.

lmao.. I've played through both and I still don't know what you mean. I can't see how he's "Both good ande evil" at the same time. I completely understand his going insane and in rage over finding out he's a monster and being created and lied to his whole life, but the whole "LET ME BURN DOWN NIBELHEIM AND DESTROY THE ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD" makes no sense to me in the broad sense of ShiNRa revenge.

He's entirely evil as a character (no not before he went insane of course), but the fans dont see Seph as a good person, they see him as a manipulated evil person. That's why I made this topic, to see if ppl could accept him if he turned good again

i agree with laguna. i dont really get what you are saying..., are you speaking in riddles or something? anyway i can totally see sephiroth going good! id love it if he and cloud would get along for once.

Truth be told, I haven't played through CC yet. BUT I have seen Last Order so I kinda have a clue of what might have went on during CC.... maybe.

I kinda think that he could turn out good. It would have to take a HUGE step on his part.... and that whole "I'm gonna burn this mother down" attitude would need to stop. Also, I could see him MAYBE joining up with cloud again.

I really liked the KH twist to it. While we're talking about Sephrioth... I'm gonna make a new KH thread....

EDIT: Done.
http://www.rpgdreamersforum.com/index.php?showtopic=55056

What you said was nonsense that offered no meaningful analysis what so ever. In fact, you're zen-esque statement says nothing. At all.

How is Sephiroth good? I can count the number of his good deeds on one hand. He was a hero in the Wutai war, which may or may not have been a good thing (on one hand a hero in war could commit genocide, on the other hand, he could've spared many lives on the other side and saved many on his own side), and he tried to stop Hollander. That's before he snapped for no reason. Then he just decided to emulate Jenova making the whole blurred line between himself and her. And what was his purpose? None, almost, at all. At first he wants to destroy the planet and take in lifestream's power (which would have him killed by Vincent /Omega Weapon anyway). So then he decided to rain down cancer (literally) on the people of FF7's world and terrorize them with physical manifestations of his consciousness. Which failed. So he tried to activate the Omega Weapon so it would carry him off to a different planet so he can be its Jenova.

Why? Because his friends all betrayed Shinra and Zack was curious about the process of creating SOLDIER.

Sephiroth's motivation is almost nonexistant. That alone makes him a terrible villain. Chaotic Evil makes terrible villains, just good grunts and bandits, and this is all that Sephiroth is, some sort of overglorified self centered bandit who likes to destroy stuff for the sake of destroying stuff. How is that at all deep?

I agree with Denim on that point about Sephiroth having no motives, which is why I liked to support the Jenova theory that he's being controlled, cause THEN it at least makes some sense.

Which is why I ALSO can see him turning good again, cause if he were to ever STOP being possessed, he could totally join up and just be himself again.

Assuming he were to be himself again, he'd still be pretty screwed, I would think. He'd have no where to go, Cloud, Tifa, Shinra, etc are probably still pissed he burned down Nibelheim, slaughtered almost every member of the SHINRA building, stole Jenova, killed off Aeirth, and then tried to kill them all by hurtling a meteor at them, with absolutely no reason or motive to do so.

I could imagine his apology though, "Oh yeah, sorry I tried to kill you all with that meteor thing, I was just kidding".

good point. but he could probobly get away with it if he said"im sorry... jenova took control over me forcing me to do those horrible things"... or maybe not lol

I don't think good or bad apply to Sephiroth. He's like Albedo, he's CRAZY!! lol

Seriously, he's a heroe, gone mad. I didn't played Crisis Core, but you can get this just with the Nibelheim flashback. He's starts as a "normal hero", but as he finds out his origins, he just lose it! XD

Personally, I would hate to see Sephiroth and Cloud fighting alongside eachother. It just doesn't fit to me (because of Nilbeheim, Aerith and Meteor). The Sephiroth from CC would of course help to save the world and what-not, but that Sephiroth has been totally distorted. I would however like to see him 'turn good' in his own right, by being reunited with his mother Lucretia and the knowledge of her unconditional love for him. Then of course heroically sacrifice himself for the world or something

I believe he went nutty because he simply just didn't know who or what the hell he was. He clung to Jenova which is what hit the evil switch.