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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands -- The Matrix may be the future of virtual reality, but researchers say the Grid is the future of collaborative problem-solving.

More than 400 scientists gathered at the Global Grid Forum this week to discuss what may be the Internet's next evolutionary step.

Though distributed computing evokes associations with populist initiatives like SETI@home, where individuals donate their spare computing power to worthy projects, the Grid will link PCs to each other and the scientific community like never before.

The Grid will not only enable sharing of documents and MP3 files, but also connect PCs with sensors, telescopes and tidal-wave simulators.

IBM's Brian Carpenter suggested "computing will become a utility just like any other utility."

Carpenter said, "The Grid will open up ... storage and transaction power in the same way that the Web opened up content." And just as the Internet connects various public and private networks, Cisco Systems' Bob Aiken said, "you're going to have multiple grids, multiple sets of middleware that people are going to choose from to satisfy their applications."

As conference moderator Walter Hoogland suggested, "The World Wide Web gave us a taste, but the Grid gives a vision of an ICT (Information and Communication Technology)-enabled world."

Though the task of standardizing everything from system templates to the definitions of various resources is a mammoth one, the GGF can look to the early days of the Web for guidance. The Grid that organizers are building is a new kind of Internet, only this time with the creators having a better knowledge of where the bottlenecks and teething problems will be.

The general consensus at the event was that although technical issues abound, the thorniest issues will involve social and political dimensions, for example how to facilitate sharing between strangers where there is no history of trust.

Amsterdam seemed a logical choice for the first Global Grid Forum because not only is it the world's most densely cabled city, it was also home to the Internet Engineering Task Force's first international gathering in 1993. The IETF has served as a model for many of the GGF's activities: protocols, policy issues, and exchanging experiences.

The Grid Forum, a U.S.-based organization combined with eGrid - the European Grid Forum, and Asian counterparts to create the Global Grid Forum (GGF) in November, 2000.

The Global Grid Forum organizers said grid communities in the United States and Europe will now run in synch.

The Grid evolved from the early desire to connect supercomputers into "metacomputers" that could be remotely controlled. The word "grid" was borrowed from the electricity grid, to imply that any compatible device could be plugged in anywhere on the Grid and be guaranteed a certain level of resources, regardless of where those resources might come from.

Scientific communities at the conference discussed what the compatibility standards should be, and how extensive the protocols need to be.

As the number of connected devices runs from the thousands into the millions, the policy issues become exponentially more complex. So far, only draft consensus has been reached on most topics, but participants say these are the early days.

As with the Web, the initial impetus for a grid came from the scientific community, specifically high-energy physics, which needed extra resources to manage and analyze the huge amounts of data being collected.

The most nettlesome issues for industry are security and accounting. But unlike the Web, which had security measures tacked on as an afterthought, the Grid is being designed from the ground up as a secure system.


Conference participants debated what types of services (known in distributed computing circles as resource units) provided through the Grid will be charged for. And how will the administrative authority be centralized?

Corporations have been slow to cotton to this new technology's potential, but the suits are in evidence at this year's Grid event. As GGF chairman Charlie Catlett noted, "This is the first time I've seen this many ties at a Grid forum."

In addition to IBM, firms such as Boeing, Philips and Unilever are already taking baby steps toward the Grid.

Though commercial needs tend to be more transaction-focused than those of scientific pursuits, most of the technical requirements are common. Furthermore, both science and industry participants say they require a level of reliability that's not offered by current peer-to-peer initiatives: Downloading from Napster, for example, can take seconds or minutes, or might not work at all.

Garnering commercial interest is critical to the Grid's future. Cisco's Aiken explained that "if grids are really going to take off and become the major impetus for the next level of evolution in the Internet, we have to have something that allows (them) to easily transfer to industry."

Other potential Grid components include creating a virtual observatory, and doctors performing simulations of blood flows. While some of these applications have existed for years, the Grid will make them routine rather than exceptional.

The California Institute of Technology's Paul Messina said that by sharing computing resources, "you get more science from the same investment."

Ian Foster of the University of Chicago said that Web precursor Arpanet was initially intended to be a distributed computing network that would share CPU-intensive tasks but instead wound up giving birth to e-mail and FTP.

The Grid may give birth to a global file-swapping network or a members-only citadel for moneyed institutions. But just as no one ten years ago would have conceived of Napster -- not to mention AmIHotOrNot.com -- the future of the Grid is unknown.

An associated DataGrid conference continues until Friday, focusing on a project in which resources from Pan-European research institutions will analyze data generated by a new particle collider being built at Swiss particle-physics lab CERN.


Sauce!


I'll quote what I said on 420chan:

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OP:

It sounds to me, and I think others will agree when I say this, a 'corporate scam', if you will.

The article references to file sharing being a major part of this 'Grid'. However, there are a few lines which ring strongly of 'total domination'.

In a conversation with someone, I compared the grid and the internet to personalties:

The grid sounds to me like the kind of person who gets straight to the point, no room for small talk, all business.

While the internet to me, is more of the person who you can chat with. Allows to conversation to go places that you might now expect.

I just think that the internet has allowed for a lot of growth, and unexpected things have come from it. I remember reading an article a while back that called this internet dangerous, and they compared it to the lawlessness of the wild west. The Grid sounds to me like a digitized form of fascism or corporatism. Like those Internet Providers who, if they didn't like a site, they would have a slow connection to it.

Meh, enough of my blathering.


I'll add more in a bit, gotta get something done real fast.
Ibanez Player
Time to build my case:

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Though the task of standardizing everything from system templates to the definitions of various resources is a mammoth one, the GGF can look to the early days of the Web for guidance. The Grid that organizers are building is a new kind of Internet, only this time with the creators having a better knowledge of where the bottlenecks and teething problems will be.


Here is where my spider senses started tingling, specifically with the bold sentence. The internet has given rise to scams, viruses, worms, and a whole lot of other horrible types of things. The person I was having a conversation with last night pointed all these things out, as well as mentioned how there is so much content that it's hard to find what one is looking for. I countered with the fact that although there is a lot of bad, there is more good. Media portrays the internet as a horrid place. Take Anonymous for example:

Fox did a segment over them [found Here].

However, what they failed to mention was that Anonymous has gotten a child predator by the name of Chris Forcand arrested. As well, they have tracked down two individuals who threatened to shoot up or blow up their schools. I'm not defending Anonymous, they have done very bad things, but they have also done good.

The internet has also given rise to actors, painters, and musicians who may have gone unnoticed, as well as spread their work. Before the internet was a large thing, pictures, music, and the other things (as I'm sure most of you remember) were spread by word of mouth.

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The most nettlesome issues for industry are security and accounting. But unlike the Web, which had security measures tacked on as an afterthought, the Grid is being designed from the ground up as a secure system.


Again, the word secure. I can understand making better security measures for things like spam and spyware. However, the internet is a thing of building upon. Web browsers, their options, new security programs, games, and various other things are made because someone, or a group, wanted to fiddle with something to make it better. Giving more control to the providers is like fighting a war with one side using rocks and the other using bazookas.

Internet users know that providers aren't looking out for them until they have to.


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The Grid evolved from the early desire to connect supercomputers into "metacomputers" that could be remotely controlled. The word "grid" was borrowed from the electricity grid, to imply that any compatible device could be plugged in anywhere on the Grid and be guaranteed a certain level of resources, regardless of where those resources might come from.


It sounds like a good thing, you get it no matter where you are, however:

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Conference participants debated what types of services (known in distributed computing circles as resource units) provided through the Grid will be charged for. And how will the administrative authority be centralized?


They say you will get the resources no matter where you are. Yes, that is usually what is supposed to happen when you pay for it.

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The Grid may give birth to a global file-swapping network or a members-only citadel for moneyed institutions. But just as no one ten years ago would have conceived of Napster -- not to mention AmIHotOrNot.com -- the future of the Grid is unknown.


This final comment by the author outlines two of the three paths that we can foresee:

1. The Grid being a totally controlled business net.
2. A free file sharing-based network.
3. Fails and we continue on the interwebz.

My arguments aren't brought out to full yet. I need some input so I can form opinions on something I might have overlooked.
Natsuki
Lol, I was going to post the news when I saw it on Yahoo, but then I saw this topic ;P.

Here's the Yahoo version:
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The internet, as we know it, could be obsolete within a decade.

Forget dial-up; forget broadband: The future, it seems, is The Grid.

It's the brainchild of CERN, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research based in Geneva.

It's there that Sir Tim Berners-Lee first invented the internet, so it's appropriate that the next stage in its evolution should emerge there.

But what is the Grid?

In fact, it is a spin-off from another major research project. For several years, the particle physicists at CERN have been building a device called the Large Hadron Collider.

Knowing they would need massive processing capability to cope with the data from the new device, the scientists set about integrating thousands of computers all around the world.

Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the project, says: "We need so much processing power, if all the computers were here at CERN there would be a problem getting enough electricity to run them.

"We had to have a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research partners in other countries."

That network of linked computers - connected by superfast fibre-optic cable and combining together to act as one giant super-computer - is the Grid and, one day, it won't just be for scientists. We'll all be connected to it.

It's not actually a new principle. SETI@home is a programme for PCs which is helping to analyse the data of the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico.

It's been downloaded by half a million public-spirited people who allow the spare processing power of their personal computers to be used remotely by the astronomers to number-crunch their scientific data.

But while SETI@home runs on private PCs and over existing telephone cables, CERN's Grid uses fibre-optic links to dedicated resources in major computer centres and can therefore handle much more complex calculations.

The long-term possibilities for home entertainment are immense.

It's estimated that connection speeds could be 1,000 times faster than current broadband capabilities.

Imagine being able to download feature films in the blink of an eye, or the entire Beatles back catalogue in less than a second. Grainy webcam images would be replaced by crystal clear pictures and sound, and video gaming would be transformed.

According to Professor David Britton, a leading figure in the Grid project: "With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine."

And there are also medical applications. It's already been used to help research anti-malarial drugs.

Researchers used the Grid to analyse 140 million different compounds - a process which would have taken 420 years to complete on a conventional internet-linked computer. The Grid might soon be used to help unlock the secrets of the human genome.

CERN has produced a flash movie to explain the project's evolution.
The main question to ask is will it become the "new internet"? where pretty much anyone can live a virtual "fantasy" - (looking at free porn, downloading movies, music etc...). The internet isn't exactly "controlled" by its providers and most of us can put whatever we want on here, do the creators of The Grid want to have absolute control and not let it become the current internet, or will they try to control and fail?

Mind you, the time for The Grid to become the new internet is estimated to be around decades wait. x_X'

I generally wouldn't mind having it to download movies at a blink of an eye, but to have to wait that long, new ways might've been created by then... maybe? xD
Noir
I don't think Anon is a very good example of one good thing, being as that hive mind bit has completely backfired. "Heeeey let's go picket Co$" - "##### you newfag, let's go raid Myspace and get 14 year old girls to strip on Stickam"

But The Grid? Whatever.
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