Well, I was thinking that this could work, as well as bring some activity back into the forum.

Well, the idea is quite simple.
We have a number of participants and have them battle each week, the winner will get set amount of points and the loser won't.
After everyone has faced everyone, the one with the most points wins.
It is quite simple and I think this could work.
So, before I write down a whole set of rules and whatnot, are there people that are interested in participating?

I'm in for sure

I'll sign up as well.
Hopefully this will work out, unlike the fieldpiece. =/

hey the fieldpiece is still going, dont give up on it(i made a piece so it better FINISH!!!)

but yea i am down for this.. get ready to win everyone!!

I'm up for this as long as we can work around personal time schedules.

We each have to make a sig each week? Hmm...I guess I’d still be able to do that. Count me in as well. =).

I'll try and do this also.

we could do a system similar to like an NCCA basketball bracket? Say we have 8 people.. could come up with a random method to pick the brackets. then just battle down to 4, then down to 2 and then a winner.

example..

Round 1

Pes vs Voyou
Rhad vs DB
DxS vs Laguna
Eido vs Duran

Round 2

Pes vs Rhad
Laguna vs Duran

Round 3

Rhad vs Duran

Winner

Duran

That is more of a tournament knockout system, I am thinking more of a league.
Like getting points for winning and such, I'll explain full details, once I have made everything complete.
I'll also try to work around the personal life schedule.
Might be weekly, once every 2 weeks, it is all up in the air for the moment.

I might be interested.

Maybe. Yes. No. Maybe. <_>

A battle league, huh?

I'm interested in joining, but I'd also like more details, I would also like more details on the organization of it. I'm sure other members can help keep it organized when life takes over, but I think a weekly battle league would be a great replacement for SoTM!

The only thing I'm really worried about is clutter to the board, haha. But yeah, when more details come I'll tell you if I'm interested.

Yeah Voyou I don't like that system necessarily, the way I had it in mind was: (Lets say 8 ppl in the league) (And I've added my OWN twist as to how you get points).

Week 1 GFX 1: (Amt of points you get is the number of votes you receive)
LW vs Pes
Voyou vs Rhad
DB vs Duran
Eido vs DxS

Week 2 GFX 2: (Amt of points you get is number of votes you receive)
LW vs Voyou
Pes vs Rhad
DB vs DxS
Eido vs Duran

etc etc


Meaning every week or 2 weeks or whatever you make a new GFX to compete against the person you're going against and you get points according to how many votes you receive. Then the next week you compete against someone else with a new GFX and receive poitns for the amount of votes you get that week.

Then at teh end when every1 has faced each other you tally up the points you've received (equivalent to total votes received), and then the person with the most wins.


I feel if you get 1 point if u win 0 points if u lose makes the point system kinda flat and not very exciting for upsets or anything since the point system will move more slowly. At least on a given week if you have an OVERWHELMINGLY better sig than your opponent, your votes will reflect it, whereas if you had an OVERWHELMINGLY better sig, but gets the same amounts of points as another person in a battle that has a so-so sig. I dunno if that made sense.

the way yall put it does sound better, i agree.. but i am down for whatever

Alright, some more shed on information:

Rules:


- It will be a league, which means that every artist will have a duel with every artist other than himself. Winning will give you points, loosing won't.

- All points will be added up and the winner is the one that has the most points in the end.

- I am thinking of giving 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw, which is how it works in European football.
LW said the amount of votes could count, but considering the votes aren't false proof (1 week a battle gets 20 votes, the other week 3) I think this will be used when 2 artists have the same amount of points at the end of the league, but that could also be solved with a play-off.

- Considering people are having lives as well, duels can get postponed for several days, or even scheduled months later, as long as it is within the time frame of the league. The less artists, the shorter the time.

- However, if one of the two in a duel fails to let anyone know on time, or at all, the match will be noted as a win for the other and -3 (maybe more) points for the one that didn't participate. This might sound a bit extreme, but it is to prevent people from joining and not competing. Will this person not come online for several duels, then I might even consider removing them, as it will make things difficult for everyone else.

These are for now things I can think of. Obivously there is still some things to add. Hope this helps a bit.

can we submit work we have already created but not shared with anybody?

I have yet to take that in consideration.
It might be possible, might not. The thing is, it is a league and in, say a football league, you don't use matches from 3 years ago either.
So, I have to take this in consideration, but so I have to do with other things.

Well, an update on this, I carried out the rules a bit further.

- The goal of this league is to win. To win, you need to score points and to score points you need to beat your opponents. Considering people can have an off day, everyone will face each other twice. Thus, with 10 participants, you will have 18 duels, spread over a certain period of time.

- As said above, the only reason to get points is to beat your opponents in a duel between pieces. As people are comfortable with the SotM rules, those rules can be adapted into this. In a duel, the winner will get 3 points and the loser won't. A draw counts as 1 point each.

- Because this league will rely on activity from all participating members, we can't have people sign up and not participate. Activity is a must, but that doesn't mean you're forced to come in every week.
If you, for example, have a busy schedule with school, you can ask for a different day, but the opponent must agree with it. You can ask from anywhere within the time frame of the league, as long as the opponent agreed with it.

- If you fail to let anyone know on time, you'll be deducted 5 points from your score as a penalty and you will forfeight the duel. This means that your opponent will get an automatic win.

- If you fail to let anyone know for several duels, you'll forfeight the league and every will get the proper amount of points added to their total. For example, if person A had to face person B, but person A didn't participate for 5 duels, person B will get 6 points added, as he still has to face person A twice. If person A already faced person B once, person B will only get 3 points.
If, however, it comes this far, you cannot change it. Once you have been forfeighted, you're done.

- Your piece will be posted on the day your duel starts. People will then have a certain amount of time to vote.
This time will be the time that is between your current duel and your next duel, so if this league will be weekly, that means people will have a week to vote. This might sound short, but to keep things from going dramatically wrong, I see no other solution.

- If you do not match the criteria, as in the dimension, you have one chance of adjusting it and this must be entered the same day. I know that this sounds harsh, but the rules aren't meant to be broken in this case. If Person A gets away with the dimensions, person B will want the same and we can't have that.

- To win a duel, you need to get the most votes for your piece. Voting for yourself is not allowed, but I am not yet sure on how to proof this.

- The theme is up for debate. We might select a new theme every week, or we let the opponents decide themselves.

- Once everyone agreed to participate and I made the league table, I will post the full table online, so that, if I am absent, others can take it over. I assume Vins will have the primary role in this, as he is the current moderator for this forum.

- Old pieces aren't allowed. The idea of this league is to use your creativity and make new pieces to duel your opponents. With new pieces, I am certain that people will take the effort in this and not just buffer their old pieces for their duels. With this rule, it will make sure that it will keep you and your creativity sharp.

- Anyone can join, as long as they know how to create pieces in the appropriate dimensions.

- The rules will be the same for every participant.


Any questions regarding this?
I'd like to know some things from you as well, such as how to decide the themes and the time between each duel.
Are you guys okay with a week, or do you need 2 weeks? These things I can't decide on my own, as other people have their own life.
So, what do you want to do with the theme and the time?

For the theme, I think a general theme each duel for all participants sounds good. For example, week 1 will be "music" and week 2 will be "next-gen". All participants will then make something that fits with the theme. This way, we ignore the unnecessary communication between opponents and possible undecided theme. This way, everyone will know what is coming.
Also, to prevent people from running ahead, I could simply wait with announcing the theme for that week, a week in advance.
So, if your duel will be on saturday in 2 weeks time, I could wait with announcing this, untill coming saturday.

About the time, I don't know. Personally, I think weekly sounds the best, as this will prevent the league from being too long, as well as people not willing to bother anymore.
This way, we don't have to extend the league too long. I mean, 10 participants means 18 duels, means 18 weeks!

Sounds perfect, I'm definitely still down to do it

I was actually going to say I’d prefer two weeks, but I’ll be fine with just one week, haha.

So yeah, I’m still in...=).

Have people vote on the poll as well as post who they voted for. If the points don't match up with the amount of posts then you can rely on just counting the votes cast by people who posted.

OR just have people post rather than creating a poll...

Up to you.

Hmm, that is indeed a possible solution, thanks =)

no polls, make them post, that way all votes are accounted for. Problem is getting people on the boards to vote everytime

So when is this going to start up?

Well, once every agrees with the rules, as well as the two question I asked, I think we can fire this thing off.

So, once again:

1. What do people want to do with the time? 1 Every week, or 2 weeks? Or maybe we can do 1 group 1 week and another group next week, this gives each one a week break. It does lengthen the duration of this, because for example, 10 members means 18 matches, means 18 weeks and if we add the week break, it means 36 weeks.

2. How about the theme? Do we agree with themes before and then every week we have a theme for everyone, or do the 2 players agree the theme between themselves?

I'd like to get your thoughts on this, as these things I cannot decide for everyone else.
Also, if you think something should be added, then feel free to do so.

Well this sounds like a good idea to me, it might actually boost my enthusiasm to make signature because as you know that has been lacking lately =p.

1) I think you should have everyone versing one person one week, and then the next week we all verse someone different, kinda like in football. At least thats the idea i get from this. Of course that would be quite demanding to do a new piece each week but if they don't have to be a full sized piece, but can be something more the size of an avatar then i could do it no problem I think =).

2) I think we should have a general rule for everyone each week. Say week 1: love, week 2: anime, week 3: war etc etc.
That way everyone does the same and we don't have to have arguments about who wants to do what.

Well anyway, I'm in =).

I'd be up for it, seems interesting.
For the time, I would say one every week.
I think it would be cool if every person participating stuck to the same theme each week because then we could make a collage of the graphics after each.

1) i say 1 week for each fight!!!

2) either the two people pick a theme or i would say make a topic and have everyone on the board throw out a theme they would like to see, then take the themes and hand them out to grps

you guys think you can hold this off til I get my internet at my new place? I'd really like to participate in this.
Or at least give me leniency until I'm connected again. XD

ok ok... Pes, put me and Vins against each other in the first round and ill forfeit, leaving vins as the winner. Then hopefully by the second round he has his connection back

Oh my bad I totally missed the questions earlier.

I'd say one week is plenty of time. I know from personal experience that sometimes I can make something in a day if I'm really inspired. Even if not, a week is good.

And for the theme, I'd say just have the two people battling agree on a theme. For some reason I think if everyone did the same theme then you would still have to keep voting on the winners to decide who's is most favorable in peoples eyes.

A late Response, but trying to revive this

1. What do people want to do with the time? 1 Every week, or 2 weeks? Or maybe we can do 1 group 1 week and another group next week, this gives each one a week break. It does lengthen the duration of this, because for example, 10 members means 18 matches, means 18 weeks and if we add the week break, it means 36 weeks.
By "1 group one week, another group next week", I'm not sure what you mean.
But of course, I'd like that idea, with the week break.


2. How about the theme? Do we agree with themes before and then every week we have a theme for everyone, or do the 2 players agree the theme between themselves?

I would say you add a kind of "ref" to each matches, whether it be you or someone else, that person will make the thread and decide the theme of the battle before it starts. Draw it from a hat! Or you can have a set theme for each round.

Really Sorry Cookie, Dan seriously didn't notice that topic at all xD

My apologised for having another thread/league crashes with yours >_<

It is quite simple. Say we have 20 people participating, this mean we can theoretically have 10 "duels" each week, provided everyone has the time. By dividing that 20 people into 10 each week, thus making 2 groups, everyone will get a week rest. For example, 20 people will be divided as 10 people in group A and 10 in group B. Group A "match-day" will be week 1 and in week 2, Group B will have theirs while Group A has time off.




I am personally down with a set theme each week. The reason for this is that each week will be fair to anyone and all battles will be equal and the same. This is to remove things like, oh but they had this last week blah blah blah, I want that as well.



This topic has been around for a while and had dropped down quite a bit. Reasons, Fieldpiece was taking enough time as it was and generally the activity wasn't very high (still isn't though).

And it wasn't dead, it is still in development and I put this idea on the side for now.
However, I am still planning on bringing this into an actual point so that we can actually compete with each other on a large scale.

well lets get this stuff ironed out. I cannot participate because of no laptop but ill help anyway i can

I think Pes means something like a tier system? Like, there's the "prelims" and then "quarter finals" and "semi finals", etc?

The set theme system sounds better to me. :\ Adds more variety rather than the same vgame/anime/manga thing all the time.

i still think my comic book idea trumps all of these.

No, I do not mean something like a knockout round that you're referring to, Apple. I mean like a league, like you see at football/basketball and baseball.
Everyone has a battle with everyone and accumulates points and the one with the most points at the end is the winner.

Also, we don't have to start it right now, Voyou. Setting this up will take some time, as this is still in development and such. Maybe in the meantime we can set up other things that take less time to get ready?

i know brother haha

league is first for sure