Well, I know we have a few muslims on this forum and some of us have personal ties with muslims, or even relationships.
So, I thought that this could be interesting.
What are your views on this? What do you think about this movie that caused riots and Islamitic countries and basically declared war with the Netherlands?
Do you think Geert Wilders (the politician) is making a point? Or do you think he needs to "burn in hell"?

Now, before we come off with the whole racism thing and the Netherlands is a country full of racists, lets give a little insight peek into our country.
First of all, the Netherlands doesn't consist of racists. There is simply said, a relation between Muslims and Dutchmens.
It is like where two opposing sides make a truce, just for the sake of it. You get along with each other, but there is still that bit insecurity.
It is similar in the Netherlands. In our daily lives, we get along fine and there is nothing to worry, but if say a Dutch guy kills a Moroccan guy, the sides are easily picked.

A good example I can give is: everyone remembers Zidane's headbutt on Matterazzi. Now, before any details were given, remember the full details weren't given several days/weeks later, I witnessed something remarkable the following day at work.
Litterally all muslims accused Matterazzi and said that Zidane's headbutt was justified. I thought fair enough, untill they explained me that Zidane is Algerian/Berber descent, so their choice was quite logical.
This is also the reason why they cheered for France, because France has lots of Muslims. Say whatever you want about it, but this is a fact, as they told me myself in almost identical words.

Now, this somewhat explains the relation with the Dutch and Muslims. There is no pure hatred in between most of us, "the common folk", but individuals make it difficult to fully live alongside each other.

Now, about this film. It is, in fact, an anti-Islam movie showing the radical side of the Islam and why this movie was made.
Before we jump on the hate the Netherlands bandwagon like the Islamitic countries did, before they even saw anything, or knew any details about the film, have a look first.
The movie is taking critical lines from the Koran and shows the radical side of the Koran.
Also, I am fully aware that not everyone is like this, it is simply showing the radical side and why he made the movie.

So, as I am lazy to look and I already have this in front of me:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAzEs-Vmyfc
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fedCmlvGmQ...feature=related

So, your thoughts? And to repeat my question from above:

What are your views on this? What do you think about this movie that caused riots and Islamitic countries and basically declared war with the Netherlands?
Do you think Geert Wilders (the politician) is making a point? Or do you think he needs to "burn in hell"?

Edit: And here the link to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_%28film%29

I’d actually heard about this a while back. Honestly, even though I’ve known about it for a while, I still really don’t know what my thoughts on it are. Every religion dislikes being picked on in this fashion, but I think the reaction towards the movie is rather counterproductive for the picked on individuals. I dunno. I don’t mean to have that sound like I’m condemning them or anything, but if a movie is made about a radical side of their religion, and then to have that side start an uproar like that...I dunno. >.>.

Since I didn’t watch the movie (can’t view it on there since I’m not eighteen), I really don’t have anything else I can say...

Well, various sites host the video, if you want to see it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

lower quality, but still watcheable.

As a Dutchwoman myself I think he has made no point whatsoever. We already know there are radical tendencies in Islam. As there are in many other major religions. Personally I think he's just manipulating people for his own ends. You can disagree with Islam. I personally disagree with practically any religion, but there's better ways of going about this than what he's doing.

Of course muslims in general are very touchy lately on how they're being portrayed, but it's a cycle, really.

As a Dutchman myself, I distance myself from his ideas and opinions about Islam. The government of the Netherlands has already done this as well so I think our Prime Minister has handled correctly.

People in Islamic countries are saying that he should be silenced and this annoys me greatly. In the free "West" we have something called "freedom of speech" this means anyone can say anything about anyone without getting arrested as they would in countries like Iran, Saudi-Arabia, China, North-Korea etc.

So even though I disagree with Geer Wilders' view on things, I do ABSOLUTELY give him the right to express himself, he has the right to critisize anything he wants to. This is hard to understand for people living in some Islamic countries or Communist countries but they need to understand that we WILL NOT forbid this man to speak his mind.

Also something funny is that you can call him a whole list of words ending on -ist, like extremist, populist, etc. but NOT a racist. He's never stated that he's against a certain race.

Also I find that muslims living in the West should come out and speak about this man, they should distance themselves from fundamentalist muslims and try to show that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Because fact is that a lot of people are afraid of Islam, and this IS indeed a problem for Muslims, there are reasons for this which can't be denied.

Also something frank is that Geert Wilders has actually united the Dutch and the Muslim dutch people by creating this film, so he should actually be rewarded with a title or medal . People are much less afraid of Islam than before the film and before Wilders.

firsting of all, can than provide lincks where than muslum contry declareng war on than nehterlends?

mine pirsonal opinon on than video. i beleving than man trying to make than gap betwene muslum and christion biger, than suport him own means. than him personal agenda alientate moslim (i doing some digging, than politican have many sceleton in closit.)

than onle one thign be don. than video must pervent view. musdt pull from all cinema, must pull than tailers and klips from yotube.

than saying not silence thast man who being rasist? than you opinon. this speshul case having due with us muslum contrie. we being 100 year behind in term liberation. we not bing able deel with suhc situation .

than rember any one muslum say bad about krestian and djewiush he cbeing call rasist and radical and ekstreminst. why than double standard make like n word?

MoK, I don't have links where it said that Islamic countries were declaring war, nor did I said they literally did. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. All I know that on a Dutch newsprogram they showed massive riots at the Dutch embassy in.. I think Iraq of Afghanistan.
I do know, that if a war would erupt (which is absolutely ridiculous), France and Denmark are supporting the Netherlands.

Also, this shortmovie doesn not play in the cinemas, it is only viewable online.




Nope, he's not a racist. He never said anything about races, only the Islam.

Also, you said something very interesting there. You are behind in the term liberation and therefore you're not able to deal with such a situation. Do you think that Islamic countries should open up and get less uptight, or do you think you should remain the same forever.

Than implying that than war erupt from than trivial situation giving mine hint on than experience with foriners.



Why than trying to use circular reasoning to win than discusion?



Why than duble standard? if i now badmouth jewish like time i walking in salmiya and heathen pop form sewer, i getting tag "rasist" but not than apply rule to europian?



if than realise than governmints not say thing. than uneducate peeple nnot knowing than RUELS AND RUGELATIONS attack than pharmacy. i persinally nowing than governmint afficial, than at most asking for apology, than know than limits. why than saying that we behind in term of than liberationm? elabirate pelase?

Is anyone else laughing their asses off? Heathens popping out of sewers.. hah!

lol let's also ban all images of Muhammad because they're offensive! Let's also not say racial slurs because they're offensive! Let's also not take off our pants in public because that's offensive! Let's also not talk to Jews because tha... wait. You take away one's freedom to do something offensive, the next day you're taking away one's freedom to do something logical.

Islamic countries are not race. Hating on them because they're Islam is bigotry, though, because this relies on heavy stereotyping, which as we know is inaccurate. This happens a lot in the US, where some people simply have a problem with people being Muslims as a whole, because some extremists are Muslims. However, one has the freedom to make bigoted films that no one will take seriously other than other bigots, who no one takes seriously in the first place.

On the opposite spectrum, we have Redacted, by an American director showing a brutal murder and gang rape of an Iraqi family. Was it popular? No. Was it controversial? Yes. Should it be banned? No. Should the director silenced? No. This also happened in real life, so meh.

If someone gets bombed because of a movie, who do you think that makes look bad? The maker of the movie, or some guy who thinks some movie being shown is worth more than his life?

Oh, there should be no discussion that Wilders should be allowed to make these types of movies. I completely condone freedom of speech. And hatemongerers will find ways of expressing themselves regardless of whether it's forbidden or not. Better to have it out in the open and see exactly what you're up against.