Here's something to start this arguement with. Go Europe!!!



JRIB = Jim Rome Is Burning (his show on ESPN)

this paragraph doesn't make sense at all... I mean, what the hell is soccer?

I never heard of this before. I find it stupid, the drug user can go to a free match then go home after to get mashed up. All that happens is the drug user gets some free football. So tax payers pay for their free matches and they also probably use benefits to pay for drugs. So smart.

Jim Rome is an idiot, so this kind of isn't worth reading.

There's already a BMD, and that hasn't passed the 200 post mark yet. Wait yer turn like everyone else.

Nay!!! Jim Rome is on the level of Mike Didtka.... GOD I TELL YOU!!!!!!!

Fixed up the title... I guess this should go in the Entertainment forum since it's about football.

not even worth putting too much thought into this. Jim Rome has always been an idiot, that will never change.

Change the titles again Loom, only the ignorant call it "soccer".

And, to comment on the first post. VERY stupid, especially with all the hooligans in the UK. Yeah, great influence these people will get.

thats not nice.. some of us were born calling it soccer, so thats what we are used to. I dont think it matters what you call it as long as you love the sport and enjoy playing/watching it.

Or American's? And don't say that goes hand in hand. I was raised to call it soccer as well, and even played for several years during my youth.

Also I agree with Rome's statement about soccer. I don't really know his show too well but a buddy of mine watches it when I hang out with him sometimes and he doesn't really seem like a douchebag, he just has an opinion. Nothing wrong with that and if you disagree then more power to you.

I'm not the definitive word on soccer, either. So don't rip my head off. I just find it to be a boring sport... Then again as I've stated I find all sports to be lacking when compared to that of MMA.

I agree 100% but I actually hate football/soccer, it bores the p!ss out of me. Also for me nothing compares to MMA not even boxing which I still enjoy a great a deal.

On topic I haven't a clue who Jim Rome is but I agree with the majority of his opinion, I really can't see it as an incentive for anything other than rewarding the smackheads with free tickets to watch live Premier league football matches, they may as well throw in free Sky and Setanta Sports while they are at it - it's a joke.

What a fecked up article!

People will only find the sport interesting if they know about it. To me soccer is like a game of chess, it involves alot of strategy in the midfield to take control of the game. People are always gonna bitch and complain about how boring it is and to them it is, but to me I find it deadly. Like you guys that like MMA, i think its cool but to me sometimes im like WTF is this #####. Everyone is gonna have takes on everything, no matter what the game is about.

I'm guessing you don't understand the grappling or ground fighting aspect of the game?

haha no ways!!! Other than punching and kicking each other I don't understand alot of the strategies some of the fighters will use to win the match. To me its basically a read and react kinda thing. I am possibly wrong, so you can correct me if I am.

Wow, misleading topic name, I thought it was about football x'D.






Just because of that, doesn't mean you can't look things up. Only in countries where there is another sport, called football, football is called soccer. Those countries are few though. When you talk about football globally, there is only 1 game that matches and that is football.

The facts have been brought up countless times. In American Football there are a few things wrong and sometimes people will say, it is because it is American =P:

- The ball is not a ball. It is an egg.
- The game hardly involves any footwork. Yeah, running, but so do countless of other sports, but they aren't called football either.
- The name is misleading, as there are other games with football as well. Australian football anyone?

I am behind the idea, that the name of the game should reflect what the sport is about. I mean, you won't call the MMA the pillowfighting federation either, or the chess game the hot flying action sport, or what about boxing being called kicking?
Names should reflect the sport and football doesn't, unless it is football, "association football", as is the original name.

That said, even in the UK there are people that use the term soccer, though I have never seen it myself, but there is also a thing like "Gaelic Football".

Really? But we Singaporeans still call it soccer even though we have no other sport named football. I mean seriously speaking, whats wrong with the word "soccer"?



But theoretically speaking, a soccer ball is made up of flat pentagons, so it isn't totally and completely round either, so is a golf ball with dents and a basket ball with stripes, they are not perfect round either, so why can't an American Football ball be oval?

I don't really get what you want to say in the second point.

But, if Australian can name a sport called "Australian football" why can't American's do?




What about, Golf, rugby, bowling, snooker, billiards, pools, polo, water polo, badminton, Tennis, Table tennis, hockey, crickets? There are so many names for a sport that just you know... names.

Not to pick a fight Pes lol. But yeah... if you kinda say that, its a little unreasonable I would say.

No offense though.

Most of Asia learn the american way of spelling and saying things so it's not surprising for you guys to call it "Soccer". On the other hand though, my cousin has lived in Hong Kong all her life and calls it football and so do the rest of my family xD.

Meh... I grew up calling it "football" so whatever. You can't really make everyone in the world call it "Football", there's variations of the name in chinese let alone in english =/.

It's like we call their "studying", "revising".

Gaelic football is annoying as heck to play! I remember the school made us play it in Primary school.

A ball rolls, a golfball rolls, a basketball rolls, but a American Football ball does not. BUt whatever <<
And, generally speaking, most people refer to American Football and not football and this is considered globally.
You didn't seem to get my point earlier anyway. Australian football is what Australians call football, but non Australians call it Australian football.



Some of those names do not reflect the activity, or immediatly declare what the sport is about. However, one thing that all of them have in common, is that IF there is a different version of the game, it is made perfectly clear, such as example you gave: tennis and tabletennis.
American football is called football, Association football is called football, but in some countries soccer and the list goes on.
However, its original name is football, fact. I fail to see the point, why football has to be called soccer, which is a rather sucky name, just so that other sports can be called football, even when the game doesn't require/hardly at all footwork, apart from running, but as I said earlier, this was also the case with other sports.

And no, a name is not just a name.

Not trying to make a big deal out of it, but it is odd that one sport has to have various names.

And Winnie, I have never played gaelic football, I just know that it exists. I should look it up some time =p>

Why did the name Football get changed in to the name soccer over there anyway? If the name of the sport is called football than you should call it by its 'original' name. Especially since the original country named it that name when the sport was created with no intention of another name for it. I find it plain rude actually.

Gaelic football? Never heard of it.

Wow, didn't know this thread exploded as it did... haha

I never realized there was a rule to a BMD... haha. Thanks for fixing it up.

@ whoever tried to change the thread title: Please don't mess with my titles... I like them the way they were. You may move it, but I title things for a reason.

its just a name pes, calm down. same sport, same passion, relax bro. You call it football, i call it soccer.. its no issue because we are both talking about the same sport..

Hey, I've always called it soccer too .. that's what we call it in The States, because ... well ... football was already taken. I think it does make more sense to call soccer 'football' for obvious reasons, but either way, as Shakesy says 'a rose by any other name would smell as sweet'. It's the game, not the name.

I'm not big into this #####, but I've seen highlights on ESPN and soccer does get pretty intense like hockey. You gotta be hella aggressive and confrontational to snag a ball away from a player without using your ##### hands --- that's what makes it all the harder. People are used to utilizing thier arms for all sorts of complex tasks, but most ppl only use their legs to ##### run/walk/sit/stand. It's ##### difficult to use your legs as well as you do the arms. So it takes some ##### heart and talent to wrestle with the big dogs.

I wouldn't say that you gotta be as tough to play soccer as you would be to play American Football or Rugby ... but it does take just as much athelitic speed and agility, and I can respect it as a sport for that.

I would have thought out of respect for the country that created it and to the other nations who have kept it the same name, that it would be called by the original name. It is like us calling American Football, American Rugby.

There could be a honestly genuine reason for the name change though, so I may have to read up on it.

Would you like it, if I will call you Rupert, because I have a friend called Voyou San? I doubt it.
A name isn't just a name, never was.
And I agree with what Phisix said in his post before you.




That is the whole point, football was already taken, yet the Americans STILL call their game football, even though the name was already taken. Instead, football is now called soccer.

Also, being tough to play American Football? Try rugby, then we'll see who is tough. Stupid armour protecting their bodies.

you can call me whatever you want pessy

Yeah, Americans wear 'armour' to protect themselves while they play, because they're not stupid. You're not 'tough' to run into a ##### 300 ilbs. behemoth on the defensive line without proper padding -- if anything, I'd say you were ##### dumb.

Believe me, I've seen American Football Players take some punishing blows THAT HURT dude. Roughing it up is part of the game; killing yourself is not.

Oh, can I now? =)



Now, throwing general terms in here, but I have never seen a sentence with Americans and not stupid in one sentence, indicating they have brains, you are kidding right? =P

Anyway, football or rugby have very little to do with intellect, apart from their trainers.
However, Rugby is much tougher than American football. Not because of their intellect, but because they are. There are videos of a guy getting a finger dislocated and the medical guy put it back in place and the guy went back on the field again.

I hardly see Rugby as a game which you play to try and kill yourself. Rugby uses precision timed tackles to someones mid area or below their bottoms, where as American Football you just smash into your opponent, which is far more dangerous.

Here is something I found on Wikipedia about American Football:

[Quarterbacks are regularly hit by defenders coming on full speed from outside the quarterback's field of vision. This is commonly known as a blindside. To compensate for this, players must wear special protective equipment, such as a padded plastic helmet, shoulder pads, hip pads and knee pads. These protective pads were introduced decades ago and have improved ever since to help minimize lasting injury to players']

So in American Football there is a possibility of lasting injury from such attacks. Rugby does not seem as deadly as you think now does it. Armour still wont make up for how brutish your game is. Now, I am not saying Rugby is a nanny's game either, but it does not rough it's players like that.

rugby is tougher than american football easily.

Maybe so, but if Rugby was so dangerous we would also wear heavily padded armour and helmets, and if you line up two people and one use a Rugby tackle and the other uses a American Football tackle, the latter would be less injured if not injured at all.

Rugby is tougher because there are more challenges and contact throughout the entire game. We can only get across the pitch using back passes but your game consists of throwing it down to whoever has to catch it ,etc. Please don't take this as a diss of American football though, because it is not. I am just stating American Football is more dangerous.

Dictionary.com:

soc·cer /ˈsɒkər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sok-er] Pronunciation Key -

–noun
a form of football played between two teams of 11 players, in which the ball may be advanced by kicking or by bouncing it off any part of the body but the arms and hands, except in the case of the goalkeepers, who may use their hands to catch, carry, throw, or stop the ball.

From the Oxford Dictionary:

http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dev...er=score%2Cname

soccer

• noun a form of football played with a round ball which may not be handled during play except by the goalkeepers, the object being to score goals by kicking or heading the ball into the opponents’ goal.

There. I looked it up.

I'm from America. American's call the sport SOCCER, which is noted above as being a FORM OF FOOTBALL. Our own leagues are even called SOCCER leagues. It's referred to on sports shows here in America for our own teams and internationally as SOCCER. It's an acceptable term as shown in the English language dictionary. Get over it. In different countries many activities or objects in general have words that mean the exact same thing.

Professional Rugby is safer than professional Football( American kind). With the reason being, only the player with the ball in rugby is ever hit. In football, every man is hit at least once a game. I am a huge fan of football so don't think I don't know the game. I probably know more than majority of the people out there. And I am learning the game of rugby now because my sister plays up here. Both sports are deadly to watch and play.

THe fact that soccer is in the dictionary is funny, as soccer is simply a slang word for association. However, football is the name given to the sport, association football if you must.
On that note, American Football is Giridon Football, or something along those lines.

There is nothing to get over with, association football is globally known as football, even countries that call it soccer, reckognise it as football.
It is a world wide sport, so why change the name? It only makes things confusing.

Note to "Pessy"
Well, I duped my university into giving a "stupid american" a bachelors degree in Civil Engineering then mwahahahahahaha. The world is mine to control!!!!

Stay on topic.

And Clay, you can't only look at the Dictionary definition of "soccer" without also looking at "football" itself.

Yes, and also the way that you tackle in American Football is more dangerous than Rugby.



Note taken, but I have been watching and playing Football all my life so I know most of the finer things in the game. Besides, I would not make an assumption that someone replying to something in a specific thread would not know something about whatever was being spoken about.

To a degree Football is dangerous, but that is by accidents such as stupid tackles, trampling etc, but to go as far and say Football is deadly is exaggerating a little bit. I have played amateur football, football on concrete and different surfaces and other things and I have never been hurt other than a scrape or by banging into someone. The same goes for Rugby, but Rugby is much more dangerous than Football so I wont argue with that, but it is not that dangerous either.

So to cap off, Football was called Soccer in America because calling it Football would have confused everyone as their sport was called American Football already, so derived from Association Football or Assoc Football, Soccer was born. Still, creating a whole new name for a sport when first made instead of copying another country's name would have better.

Whatever. I made myself clear in my post and never denied football was in the definition.. My point is that soccer is an acceptable term, and indeed the word is from association football ( I did post the oxford link that points that out. ).

The sport sucks anyway.

Yes, only to Americans.



And the reason you think that is?

Calling it soccer is a funny notion if you live of America. It's just a way to avoid confusion because they called their own Rugby clone by a name that was already taken. In this case it was from the biggest sport in the world, so it doesn't exactly go by unnoticed.

I think Handball or Rugby would be more fitting for a sport where you hardly ever kick the ball. No more than a goalie uses his hands in "soccer" at least, so I don't know where they got the "foot" part from in American Football.

And according to your Oxford dictionary. Meaning it's acceptable in Europe as welll. It may not be liked or common, but it's an acceptable term. You can't say it's not a true term in the English language and " only acceptable by American's " or in a " US Dictionary " when it's in the ##### Oxford dictionary.

Now I'm sure you all hate it and never use the term, but using the word soccer is acceptable. It's a word, in the English language, and is as defined a type of football.

It is acceptable and I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot because I call the sport Soccer.



They don't have keylock's in Soccer.

They put "Bootylicious" in the US dictionary.
Only because it's well known. The only reason Soccer is even mentioned at all outside of the US is because of American media. Nothing else. English is the second language of most countries, so a lot of American terms are known outside of America as well. That's the way it is when 95% of what's on TV here is American. It becomes part of the culture.
But even though it's in the dictionary and is an accepted term, there's no one I know of that calls it Soccer outside of the US.

Rugby clone? I thought Europe stole the IDEA from US!? Just like Pizza was invented in Rome, and we, THE USA, didn't save England or France from The Nazis ... we just 'helped'.

God, Europeons are ##### ungrateful braggers. So Americans are fat? We have every ##### right to be! If you were ##### rich, you'd eat like a king too!

Anyway, I'm veering off in a drunken stupor. Americans invented the sport of FOOTBALL -- those piss-asses took it and gave it a different name. They can keep thinking that they created every-damn-thing and we owe them a debt. You know what? Fight your OWN ##### holocaust battle next time!

I am sorry, but in Europe it is called football, unless as Hiku mentioned, they have been tought the American English, which is common. However, it is called football in all countries. For example futebol in Italy, voetbal in the Netherlands and fußball in Germany and all are pronounced roughly the same way. Soccer is only used in America, Canada and Australia/New Zealand and countries that have been tought the American way.



The Netherlands have been saved by the Canadians, mostly. Go look it up if you want. Yeah... big part for the MIGHTY USA here. ><



Dude, even Americans agree that you're fat. What is your bloody point?



Oh, so now American football existed before football? Ok, sure mate.

Oh, just for the record, American Football is a spinoff from Rugby. Really, you show how well educated you are.

IT'S CALLED FOOTBALL IN EUROPE? NO WAY!

You mean Rugby? Perhaps they did. I'm not familiar with Rugby's history. But at least whatever country came up with Rugby had the decency to give it an original game instead of stealing one that was already in use, say Hockey, and then naming Ice Hokey "bucker".

But we were talking about Football (Soccer) and Football (American football).

It's the United Kingdom or Britain NOT England. England is only one country part of the UK, which also consists of Wales, Ireland and Scotland all of which are considered separate countries in a United Kingdom, for example I do not live in England, I live in Wales.

I love it when an American rewrites history. I think you'll find Russia played the biggest part in the second World War not the US. It was they who, in Churchill's words, 'ripped the guts out of the German army'. Plus the Germans never invaded the UK and we won The Battle OF Britain without the USA.

Also British, Australian and New Zealand troops had already defeated The German Army in North Africa in late October 1942 during the Second Battle of El Alamein in Egypt. Therefore failing to gain control of British oil. This happened 3 days before the Americans took action against the Germans.

The US were remained neutral and didn't even get involved until Pearl Harbour which caused them to declare war so they didn't "step in to save anybody", their hand was forced. So yes the US did just help along with all the other allies to hasten the end of the war.

As far as this topic is concerned though I couldn't give a toss if someone calls it soccer or football I don't think I've even given it a second thought.

EDIT For those interested though Rugby was invented in Warwickshire, England in 1823 and the first ever recorded game of football was in Aberdeen, Scotland in 1633- So it wasn't the English or the Americans that invented football American Football was apparently derived from both Rugby and Football/soccer in the late 19th century.

AND ALL OVER THE WORLD, EXCEPT FOR A HANDFULL OF COUNTRIES! OMG =O

Typical Americans thinking that the world revolves around them. You cannot create many things yourself so you have to copy other countrys ideas and make them into your own.

American Football > Rugby
Baseball > Rounders
Ice Hockey > Hockey

You even steal our TV shows too:

Little Britain
Life on Mars
The Office
Britain's got talent
X factor



Oh dear.

How the ##### did a football/soccer discussion turn into nation bashing?

##### ##### people, if this is all you have to say to defend or attack a sport why do you even bother posting?