Gee might have to split into a UFC thread. I could go on for ages. I will if anyone deems it worthy of such.
Grappling is a huge aspect of the game. Not only can it help minimize damage to yourself, but it can also tire out your opponent greatly physically and mentally if you're able to outwork them and apply pressure by outworking both in the clinch ( Stand up grappling basically ) and on the ground and work in strikes more damaging to your opponent due to your position over them and preventing damage to yourself.
As far as the aspect of a ground and pound fighter like a wrestler ... They're very skilled at taking their opponents down through wrestling skills they learned by doing collegiate wrestling and things like that. They're able to avoid taking any strikes, work their way to take someone to the mat by any form of takedown and try to work for a dominate position to land strikes and inflict damage while not taking damage themselves from a downed opponent.
The fighter on the bottom is forced to deal with the full weight of someone on top of them and try to work a way out, or pull off a submission from the back. This is a very tiring process and if someone can hold you down and work the aspect of the ground and land solid blows in good posture you can easily be TKO'd or knocked out, if not tired out from all the extra weight bearing down on you if you're unable to escape.
It's a good way to mentally take someone out of the fight if you can employ a good ground and pound style of fighting. If someone is being brutally pounded on, struggling to get the weight of the person on top of them off or try a submission, it can wear on you or even cause an end to the fight.
Now I will admit that some fighters will stall when in any sort of top position, and this is lame... But it's also why UFC implemented standups when the ground game comes to a stalemate with no improvement in position by the person in top control or any attempts to seriously end the fight. Which is good for the fighter on the bottom if they're able to lock it up and earn a stand up.
I can understand why this may be hard to understand or enjoy, but once you understand the ground aspect of the game... Wrestling... Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... Judo... Etc... It actually becomes interesting to watch as it's sort of a chess match in some ways of fighters are equally skilled on the ground. Jockeying for dominate position to land fight ending blows or submissions.
The game of MMA is so deep, and while all the knockouts and such are cool once you understand how much skill is required to become a true MMA fighter in all aspects and understand the difficulty of things like the ground game and clinch and how important they are in a fight you'll think all the more about the sport. It takes great mental toughness and skill to become well rounded enough to actually dominate in the sport since ANYTHING can happen in a fight.
Here's a great example of overwhelming an opponent with strikes to earn a takedown to ground and pound, and ref stoppage due to the inability of the other fighter to defend, by Fedor Emelianenko. One of the worlds best MMA fighters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAN-dO8ea0
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QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ May 24 2008, 05:15 AM) 
Gee might have to split into a UFC thread. I could go on for ages. I will if anyone deems it worthy of such.
It's absolutely worthy
QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ May 24 2008, 05:15 AM)
Grappling is a huge aspect of the game. Not only can it help minimize damage to yourself, but it can also tire out your opponent greatly physically and mentally if you're able to outwork them and apply pressure by outworking both in the clinch ( Stand up grappling basically ) and on the ground and work in strikes more damaging to your opponent due to your position over them and preventing damage to yourself.
As far as the aspect of a ground and pound fighter like a wrestler ... They're very skilled at taking their opponents down through wrestling skills they learned by doing collegiate wrestling and things like that. They're able to avoid taking any strikes, work their way to take someone to the mat by any form of takedown and try to work for a dominate position to land strikes and inflict damage while not taking damage themselves from a downed opponent.
The fighter on the bottom is forced to deal with the full weight of someone on top of them and try to work a way out, or pull off a submission from the back. This is a very tiring process and if someone can hold you down and work the aspect of the ground and land solid blows in good posture you can easily be TKO'd or knocked out, if not tired out from all the extra weight bearing down on you if you're unable to escape.
It's a good way to mentally take someone out of the fight if you can employ a good ground and pound style of fighting. If someone is being brutally pounded on, struggling to get the weight of the person on top of them off or try a submission, it can wear on you or even cause an end to the fight.
Now I will admit that some fighters will stall when in any sort of top position, and this is lame... But it's also why UFC implemented standups when the ground game comes to a stalemate with no improvement in position by the person in top control or any attempts to seriously end the fight. Which is good for the fighter on the bottom if they're able to lock it up and earn a stand up.
I can understand why this may be hard to understand or enjoy, but once you understand the ground aspect of the game... Wrestling... Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... Judo... Etc... It actually becomes interesting to watch as it's sort of a chess match in some ways of fighters are equally skilled on the ground. Jockeying for dominate position to land fight ending blows or submissions.
The game of MMA is so deep, and while all the knockouts and such are cool once you understand how much skill is required to become a true MMA fighter in all aspects and understand the difficulty of things like the ground game and clinch and how important they are in a fight you'll think all the more about the sport. It takes great mental toughness and skill to become well rounded enough to actually dominate in the sport since ANYTHING can happen in a fight.
Here's a great example of overwhelming an opponent with strikes to earn a takedown to ground and pound, and ref stoppage due to the inability of the other fighter to defend, by Fedor Emelianenko. One of the worlds best MMA fighters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAN-dO8ea0
As far as the aspect of a ground and pound fighter like a wrestler ... They're very skilled at taking their opponents down through wrestling skills they learned by doing collegiate wrestling and things like that. They're able to avoid taking any strikes, work their way to take someone to the mat by any form of takedown and try to work for a dominate position to land strikes and inflict damage while not taking damage themselves from a downed opponent.
The fighter on the bottom is forced to deal with the full weight of someone on top of them and try to work a way out, or pull off a submission from the back. This is a very tiring process and if someone can hold you down and work the aspect of the ground and land solid blows in good posture you can easily be TKO'd or knocked out, if not tired out from all the extra weight bearing down on you if you're unable to escape.
It's a good way to mentally take someone out of the fight if you can employ a good ground and pound style of fighting. If someone is being brutally pounded on, struggling to get the weight of the person on top of them off or try a submission, it can wear on you or even cause an end to the fight.
Now I will admit that some fighters will stall when in any sort of top position, and this is lame... But it's also why UFC implemented standups when the ground game comes to a stalemate with no improvement in position by the person in top control or any attempts to seriously end the fight. Which is good for the fighter on the bottom if they're able to lock it up and earn a stand up.
I can understand why this may be hard to understand or enjoy, but once you understand the ground aspect of the game... Wrestling... Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... Judo... Etc... It actually becomes interesting to watch as it's sort of a chess match in some ways of fighters are equally skilled on the ground. Jockeying for dominate position to land fight ending blows or submissions.
The game of MMA is so deep, and while all the knockouts and such are cool once you understand how much skill is required to become a true MMA fighter in all aspects and understand the difficulty of things like the ground game and clinch and how important they are in a fight you'll think all the more about the sport. It takes great mental toughness and skill to become well rounded enough to actually dominate in the sport since ANYTHING can happen in a fight.
Here's a great example of overwhelming an opponent with strikes to earn a takedown to ground and pound, and ref stoppage due to the inability of the other fighter to defend, by Fedor Emelianenko. One of the worlds best MMA fighters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAN-dO8ea0
Fedor is f*cking lethal, I hope he kicks the sh!t out of Sylvia. I think he will but there's always a chance of a very lucky punch or kick.
TED is exactly right. MMA fighters truly are the best of the best in combat sports today. To some new viewers watching it can be a little difficult to take in but if you stick with it, it's definitely worth the reward because it doesn't take long to appreciate what's on in the cage or ring.
There was an interesting documentary on TV the other week called Masters of Mixed Martial Arts on the National Geographic channel. It's interesting stuff because it goes right into the science of the MMA fighter, and gives the new viewer a better understanding of the sport and reveals some interesting stuff like how and why they hit/kick harder than other fighting styles.
This probably would be more suited to another topic as TED said but I'm going to post these vids anyway they can always get moved
Masters Of Mixed Martial Arts Part 1
Masters Of Mixed Martial Arts Part 2
Masters Of Mixed Martial Arts Part 3
Masters Of Mixed Martial Arts Part 4
On a side note Bas Rutten was in GTA4 on the TV it's pretty funny stuff if you get the chance to watch it
Also can't wait for UFC 84 tonight but we get it a day late so no spoilers lol!
QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ May 24 2008, 12:15 AM)
Gee might have to split into a UFC thread. I could go on for ages. I will if anyone deems it worthy of such.
Grappling is a huge aspect of the game. Not only can it help minimize damage to yourself, but it can also tire out your opponent greatly physically and mentally if you're able to outwork them and apply pressure by outworking both in the clinch ( Stand up grappling basically ) and on the ground and work in strikes more damaging to your opponent due to your position over them and preventing damage to yourself.
As far as the aspect of a ground and pound fighter like a wrestler ... They're very skilled at taking their opponents down through wrestling skills they learned by doing collegiate wrestling and things like that. They're able to avoid taking any strikes, work their way to take someone to the mat by any form of takedown and try to work for a dominate position to land strikes and inflict damage while not taking damage themselves from a downed opponent.
The fighter on the bottom is forced to deal with the full weight of someone on top of them and try to work a way out, or pull off a submission from the back. This is a very tiring process and if someone can hold you down and work the aspect of the ground and land solid blows in good posture you can easily be TKO'd or knocked out, if not tired out from all the extra weight bearing down on you if you're unable to escape.
It's a good way to mentally take someone out of the fight if you can employ a good ground and pound style of fighting. If someone is being brutally pounded on, struggling to get the weight of the person on top of them off or try a submission, it can wear on you or even cause an end to the fight.
Now I will admit that some fighters will stall when in any sort of top position, and this is lame... But it's also why UFC implemented standups when the ground game comes to a stalemate with no improvement in position by the person in top control or any attempts to seriously end the fight. Which is good for the fighter on the bottom if they're able to lock it up and earn a stand up.
I can understand why this may be hard to understand or enjoy, but once you understand the ground aspect of the game... Wrestling... Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... Judo... Etc... It actually becomes interesting to watch as it's sort of a chess match in some ways of fighters are equally skilled on the ground. Jockeying for dominate position to land fight ending blows or submissions.
The game of MMA is so deep, and while all the knockouts and such are cool once you understand how much skill is required to become a true MMA fighter in all aspects and understand the difficulty of things like the ground game and clinch and how important they are in a fight you'll think all the more about the sport. It takes great mental toughness and skill to become well rounded enough to actually dominate in the sport since ANYTHING can happen in a fight.
Here's a great example of overwhelming an opponent with strikes to earn a takedown to ground and pound, and ref stoppage due to the inability of the other fighter to defend, by Fedor Emelianenko. One of the worlds best MMA fighters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAN-dO8ea0
Grappling is a huge aspect of the game. Not only can it help minimize damage to yourself, but it can also tire out your opponent greatly physically and mentally if you're able to outwork them and apply pressure by outworking both in the clinch ( Stand up grappling basically ) and on the ground and work in strikes more damaging to your opponent due to your position over them and preventing damage to yourself.
As far as the aspect of a ground and pound fighter like a wrestler ... They're very skilled at taking their opponents down through wrestling skills they learned by doing collegiate wrestling and things like that. They're able to avoid taking any strikes, work their way to take someone to the mat by any form of takedown and try to work for a dominate position to land strikes and inflict damage while not taking damage themselves from a downed opponent.
The fighter on the bottom is forced to deal with the full weight of someone on top of them and try to work a way out, or pull off a submission from the back. This is a very tiring process and if someone can hold you down and work the aspect of the ground and land solid blows in good posture you can easily be TKO'd or knocked out, if not tired out from all the extra weight bearing down on you if you're unable to escape.
It's a good way to mentally take someone out of the fight if you can employ a good ground and pound style of fighting. If someone is being brutally pounded on, struggling to get the weight of the person on top of them off or try a submission, it can wear on you or even cause an end to the fight.
Now I will admit that some fighters will stall when in any sort of top position, and this is lame... But it's also why UFC implemented standups when the ground game comes to a stalemate with no improvement in position by the person in top control or any attempts to seriously end the fight. Which is good for the fighter on the bottom if they're able to lock it up and earn a stand up.
I can understand why this may be hard to understand or enjoy, but once you understand the ground aspect of the game... Wrestling... Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... Judo... Etc... It actually becomes interesting to watch as it's sort of a chess match in some ways of fighters are equally skilled on the ground. Jockeying for dominate position to land fight ending blows or submissions.
The game of MMA is so deep, and while all the knockouts and such are cool once you understand how much skill is required to become a true MMA fighter in all aspects and understand the difficulty of things like the ground game and clinch and how important they are in a fight you'll think all the more about the sport. It takes great mental toughness and skill to become well rounded enough to actually dominate in the sport since ANYTHING can happen in a fight.
Here's a great example of overwhelming an opponent with strikes to earn a takedown to ground and pound, and ref stoppage due to the inability of the other fighter to defend, by Fedor Emelianenko. One of the worlds best MMA fighters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAN-dO8ea0
Thats crazy sh.it TED. Thanks for the info, I wouldnt have thought I was THAT wrong. lol
Hey TED did you get to see UFC 84? I really enjoyed it except for the Ortiz bout. It was damn good to see spolier Wanderlei Silva destroy the sh!t out of Keith Jardine, and I'm pleased BJ Penn got the win too it was great finish.
Machida did what needed to be done. I wouldn't really worry about spoilers no one here cares about MMA.
I thought he would be more aggressive and I haven't really been to sherdog.com lately to check up but it's possible he could have been injured. He's generally pretty defensive but he throws on the offense when needed.
I was really happy that The Axe Murderer is back in prime form, but disappointed in Sherk for not applying a better game plan against BJ. BJ talks too much ##### and I think he'll be exposed, especially after calling out GSP again.
I thought he would be more aggressive and I haven't really been to sherdog.com lately to check up but it's possible he could have been injured. He's generally pretty defensive but he throws on the offense when needed.
I was really happy that The Axe Murderer is back in prime form, but disappointed in Sherk for not applying a better game plan against BJ. BJ talks too much ##### and I think he'll be exposed, especially after calling out GSP again.
Honestly I trained for MMA here in arizona we have like a hometown MMA its called rage in the cage.
I am a strong grappler.
Took a few years of brazilian jui...and I wrestled alot in highschool.
Actually a 3 time AZ state champ and a 3 time all state all american for 189's.
I also took a year of Muay tia kick boxing.
For the record MMA is the #####.
I am a strong grappler.
Took a few years of brazilian jui...and I wrestled alot in highschool.
Actually a 3 time AZ state champ and a 3 time all state all american for 189's.
I also took a year of Muay tia kick boxing.
For the record MMA is the #####.
Well, I see you guys are into this a helluva lot more than me, so I'll just step in to play my usual devil's advocate:
I can understand and even somewhat respect the Ultimate Fighting gig, but how the hell do you watch that #####? It may be 'strategy' to put your rival in a some kinda choke-lock, but it's pretty boring to watch on TV. I don't find it exciting as a spectator's sport.
To be fair, I've only seen 1 UFC match. It was the big 'Rage vs. Liddell' ##### awhile back. That fight was a ##### joke. It lasted maybe two minutes ... Rage sucker-punched Liddell once in the jaw and he was out ##### cold.
All that hype for nothing.
I can understand and even somewhat respect the Ultimate Fighting gig, but how the hell do you watch that #####? It may be 'strategy' to put your rival in a some kinda choke-lock, but it's pretty boring to watch on TV. I don't find it exciting as a spectator's sport.
To be fair, I've only seen 1 UFC match. It was the big 'Rage vs. Liddell' ##### awhile back. That fight was a ##### joke. It lasted maybe two minutes ... Rage sucker-punched Liddell once in the jaw and he was out ##### cold.
All that hype for nothing.
QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ May 29 2008, 08:53 PM)
I was really happy that The Axe Murderer is back in prime form, but disappointed in Sherk for not applying a better game plan against BJ. BJ talks too much ##### and I think he'll be exposed, especially after calling out GSP again.
Yeah, I was hoping for Sherk to kick BJ's ass. BJ is a douchebag and an arrogant bastard. The man is too small to fight GSP and if he does, GSP will destroy him. Right now, GSP is much scaried than BJ is. GSP on his best day would destroy Penn on his best day.
I thought Silva beating Jardine in like a minute was pretty damn funny. I was hoping for a slugfest that the two of them are known for and that is all we got. Wanderlai has the best mentality when it comes to fighting. He doesn't really care who wins or looses as he just wants to fight and the fight be fun.
I have been getting into the UFC for the past few years or so. The Ultimate Fighter got me hooked and even though I don't watch the show anymore, I still keep up with things on their website.
QUOTE (Jerame @ May 30 2008, 10:11 AM)
To be fair, I've only seen 1 UFC match.
And that's exactly why you shouldn't make an overall judgement on the sport based on one fight. Plus I didn't see it as a "sucker punch", Rampage threw a punch that got through Chucks defence and landed square on the button(the chin). A "sucker punch" is giving someone a smack when they aren't looking or completely not expecting it in anyway, Chuck was in a title fight and was definitely expecting to get hit lol! Hype or not you get caught square on the chin and it's lights out the same thing happens in boxing.
I also find it crazy that you rather harshly judge MMA as 'a joke' or boring yet in the soccer/football thread you said the sport seemed pretty intense? I'm sorry but watching a bunch a guys who wear women's headbands and cry foul at even the slightest contact with another player(either that or a broken fingernail)bounce a ball back and forth on a pitch for 90 minutes without sometimes even so much as a goal isn't my idea of intense.
If you prefer good stand up battles then boxing is probably the sport you should watch rather than MMA, although you do get some good stand up fights in MMA and some classics too. To be fair though, I love boxing and always have I was a decent amateur growing up and keep up the training now for cardio reasons but I definitely find there's more boring fights in boxing these days than in MMA - For example Calzaghe V Hopkins bored the p!ss out of me.
QUOTE (TED)
Machida did what needed to be done. I wouldn't really worry about spoilers no one here cares about MMA.
I thought he would be more aggressive and I haven't really been to sherdog.com lately to check up but it's possible he could have been injured. He's generally pretty defensive but he throws on the offense when needed.
I thought he would be more aggressive and I haven't really been to sherdog.com lately to check up but it's possible he could have been injured. He's generally pretty defensive but he throws on the offense when needed.
Ok no probs I didn't want to chance spoiling it for you thats all mate. True Machida did do what was needed to win but I was kind of hoping for more of a battle, still though there's no denying he's talented, there was one point at the end of round 1 was it? Where Ortiz was completely saved by the bell just a few seconds longer and that would've been over which wouldn't exactly have done much for his send off or possible contract negotiation.
I have to admit, I rather like BJ Penn, and the fact that he's gobby and mouthy is a plus for me I always found cocky fighters and boxers to be entertaining especially when they can back it up (well except for Phil Baroni I always thought he was a bit of a cock). I personally think it'll be a mistake for BJ to move back up a weightclass to fight GSP it'll be a good fight from two awesome fighters but I think BJ is a more natural lightweight.
QUOTE (Jerame @ May 30 2008, 04:11 AM)
To be fair, I've only seen 1 UFC match. It was the big 'Rage vs. Liddell' ##### awhile back. That fight was a ##### joke. It lasted maybe two minutes ... Rage sucker-punched Liddell once in the jaw and he was out ##### cold.
All that hype for nothing.
All that hype for nothing.
That was anything but a " sucker punch " Liddel left himself open and was caught by a knockout KO by a guy that can hit like a mack truck. An MMA match can be over in a second... Either by knockout by submission or by ref stoppage. You never know at ANY time what can happen and that's why I enjoy it so much as a sport.
In fact how could you say that was a joke or not exciting? Two of the top light heavyweights in the game went at it and Rampage totally dismantled one of the sports most recognizable and successful faces with an amazing knockout punch.
They're wearing 4 oz gloves... Not huge ass boxing gloves. Taking a punch with those gloves they wear on is just about as nasty as bear knuckle and strikes to the button ( The lights out spot on the jaw ) are much more devastating and more punishing in general. Not to mention kicks, knees, elbows, hammerfists...
QUOTE
It may be 'strategy' to put your rival in a some kinda choke-lock, but it's pretty boring to watch on TV.
It's not so boring when a guy totally dominates you without being struck, takes you to the ground, and puts you in a life threatening submission. Once again most greenhorns to MMA don't understand the grappling aspect of the game at all but think of it as a physical chess match.
Experience or understanding of graplling really helps. My brother did BJJ for about a year and showed me many things... You'd be surprised how much it takes out of you when a guy is on top of you preventing you from getting up with all his weight on you, while you're vulnerable to strikes and any submissions ( Well you can sub from the bottom but your strikes will have no force behind them to do any serious damage ).
It's one of the fastest growing sports right now and is finally gaining recognition as a sport that takes true talent to be dominant in. A real MMA fighter goes through extremely rigorous mental and physical training.
If you like combat sports in any way ( I love Kickboxing and Muay Thai too ) then give MMA more time. Once you really understand the game you'll appreciate it and definitely be excited by fights.
Oh yeah, there still are some boring fights, unfortunately. Not every fighter is the best in the world. I don't like lay and pray artists or people that gas and can't finish a match, but since the sport is blowing up and the pay is increasing, we're seeing fighters evolve and become more attuned to the sport... Which is terribly deep.
I mean it's not just boxing... It's not just wrestling... It's EVERYTHING.
Okay, okay --- don't bite my ##### head off guys 
All I can say is this, and I will rest my 'rookie' case here:
When you pay forty dollars to watch a HUGE fight between two of the BEST light-heavywieghts in the biz, don't you think the ##### fight should last longer than one damn punch? This ##### may be appreciable as some kinda art-form, but it is not very entertaining to watch in my book.
#####, where are the steel chairs? Put ##### Undertaker and Mankind in that damn cage with some barbed-wire and thumbstacks! Ken Shammy and Dan The Beast went a stint in pro-wrestling, and Mick Foley showed them how the rough-boys play. I know that most wrestling is staged, but how do you fake falling off of a ##### 25 ft. steel cage?
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
All I can say is this, and I will rest my 'rookie' case here:
When you pay forty dollars to watch a HUGE fight between two of the BEST light-heavywieghts in the biz, don't you think the ##### fight should last longer than one damn punch? This ##### may be appreciable as some kinda art-form, but it is not very entertaining to watch in my book.
#####, where are the steel chairs? Put ##### Undertaker and Mankind in that damn cage with some barbed-wire and thumbstacks! Ken Shammy and Dan The Beast went a stint in pro-wrestling, and Mick Foley showed them how the rough-boys play. I know that most wrestling is staged, but how do you fake falling off of a ##### 25 ft. steel cage?
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
QUOTE (Jerame @ May 31 2008, 12:49 AM)
Okay, okay --- don't bite my ##### head off guys
All I can say is this, and I will rest my 'rookie' case here:
When you pay forty dollars to watch a HUGE fight between two of the BEST light-heavywieghts in the biz, don't you think the ##### fight should last longer than one damn punch? This ##### may be appreciable as some kinda art-form, but it is not very entertaining to watch in my book.
#####, where are the steel chairs? Put ##### Undertaker and Mankind in that damn cage with some barbed-wire and thumbstacks! Ken Shammy and Dan The Beast went a stint in pro-wrestling, and Mick Foley showed them how the rough-boys play. I know that most wrestling is staged, but how do you fake falling off of a ##### 25 ft. steel cage?
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
All I can say is this, and I will rest my 'rookie' case here:
When you pay forty dollars to watch a HUGE fight between two of the BEST light-heavywieghts in the biz, don't you think the ##### fight should last longer than one damn punch? This ##### may be appreciable as some kinda art-form, but it is not very entertaining to watch in my book.
#####, where are the steel chairs? Put ##### Undertaker and Mankind in that damn cage with some barbed-wire and thumbstacks! Ken Shammy and Dan The Beast went a stint in pro-wrestling, and Mick Foley showed them how the rough-boys play. I know that most wrestling is staged, but how do you fake falling off of a ##### 25 ft. steel cage?
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Whether or not someone gets a bit stiff(heavy handed) with the other wrestler or someone gets hurt ALL wrestling is a work (staged) and yes I absolutely appreciate and respect them as athletes and performers but they aren't fighters (with the odd exception of someone like Lesnar or Angle who had actual real wrestling background). Yeah, Mick Foley falling off a steel cage and smashing his tooth through his nostril was one hell of a crazy stunt but that's exactly what it was a stunt. Bottom line pro wrestling is a performance and MMA is the real deal, that's why you get some quick knockouts.
QUOTE (Jerame @ May 30 2008, 06:49 PM)
Okay, okay --- don't bite my ##### head off guys
All I can say is this, and I will rest my 'rookie' case here:
When you pay forty dollars to watch a HUGE fight between two of the BEST light-heavywieghts in the biz, don't you think the ##### fight should last longer than one damn punch?
All I can say is this, and I will rest my 'rookie' case here:
When you pay forty dollars to watch a HUGE fight between two of the BEST light-heavywieghts in the biz, don't you think the ##### fight should last longer than one damn punch?
I'm not ripping your head off or anything. You don't really know any better about the sport and are only going based off what you know.
even if you don't like it anyway that's cool, but I'm just explaining why we like it so much.I'm paying for exciting fights. Exciting fights consist of two game fighters trying to rip each others heads off with the plethora of skills that an MMA fighter can use. I pay 40 dollars to see an exciting fight hopefully with a finish, be it be by flash knockout like the fight you saw, submission, dominant decision, TKO or ref stoppage... Not to watch guys poke at each other for 3 rounds or something.
In fact I'm paying EXACTLY for what you just mentioned. The game of MMA is so unpredictable that a fight can be ended at any time, and even the best in the game can fall victim to any sort of fight ending move at any time.
Also how can the fight last longer than one punch when you're getting hit practically bare knuckled on the part of the jaw that knocks you out by a guy that can hit as hard as Rampage? ( Watch his episode of Sport Science on MSN to see how hard he hits )
Also speaking of WWE Wrestlers in MMA. They don't do so well. Brock Lesnar was submitted by a complete can in Frank Mir in the first round of his UFC debut.
I don't watch, but there is one thing I can say about people who compete in MMA type events. They are not wrestlers. And I know, huge difference anyways, wrestling is staged and all kinds of #####, but I know some people who wrestle professionally (small time gigs, nothing like the WWF or whatever it's called now) and they turn into these egotistical jackoffs, whereas the MMA type people I know stay like.. the same, I mean they're prideful and defend how much MMA kicks ass to the death, but the ones I know at least, never change.
Plus, it's not corny as #####.
Plus, it's not corny as #####.
It's good to see more people give grappling the respect it deserves. I do Wing Chun kung fu which incorporates both standing and grappling fighting, and the grappling is the REALLY fun bit.
Punching and kicking someone is a snap, but when you're in a tangle of limbs trying to knot the other person before they knot you, suddenly it is indeed like some intricate chess game. The hardest bit is normally the transition between the two, trying to take down someone is rather difficult when they are trying to plant a hand or foot in your face at regular intervals.
All that aside, i'm not familiar with UFC exactly - that's the 'hulk hogan' and 'the rock' kinda wrestling isn't it? Or even something similar? Either way, it's staged - and for me that takes the majority of the fun out of it because you never know who actually IS the better wrestler. Though to it's credit you would have to be damn good to choreograph something like that and not seriously injure yourself or the other wrestler. But then even the choreography gets a little repetitive and once you seen a few matches, you've seen them all. They don't use half the kewl takedowns, arm bars, figure 4 locks, etc etc that we use.
Punching and kicking someone is a snap, but when you're in a tangle of limbs trying to knot the other person before they knot you, suddenly it is indeed like some intricate chess game. The hardest bit is normally the transition between the two, trying to take down someone is rather difficult when they are trying to plant a hand or foot in your face at regular intervals.
All that aside, i'm not familiar with UFC exactly - that's the 'hulk hogan' and 'the rock' kinda wrestling isn't it? Or even something similar? Either way, it's staged - and for me that takes the majority of the fun out of it because you never know who actually IS the better wrestler. Though to it's credit you would have to be damn good to choreograph something like that and not seriously injure yourself or the other wrestler. But then even the choreography gets a little repetitive and once you seen a few matches, you've seen them all. They don't use half the kewl takedowns, arm bars, figure 4 locks, etc etc that we use.
QUOTE (Dr Whippy @ Jun 1 2008, 03:16 AM)
All that aside, i'm not familiar with UFC exactly - that's the 'hulk hogan' and 'the rock' kinda wrestling isn't it? Or even something similar? Either way, it's staged - and for me that takes the majority of the fun out of it because you never know who actually IS the better wrestler. Though to it's credit you would have to be damn good to choreograph something like that and not seriously injure yourself or the other wrestler. But then even the choreography gets a little repetitive and once you seen a few matches, you've seen them all. They don't use half the kewl takedowns, arm bars, figure 4 locks, etc etc that we use.
No mate, you're thinking of the WWE and maybe TNA. UFC(Ultimate Fighting Championships) is the absolute genuine article of Mixed Martial arts you should check it out with your personal interest in martial arts you should appreciate it.
Here's a couple of UFC vids I dug up from youtube
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Forrest Griffin vs Stephan Bonnar Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 - These two beat the sh!t out of each other for 3 rounds, even Jerame may like this one lol!
Some early UFC knockout vids
Some more knockouts form Both Pride and the UFC don't know why the Lesnar knockdown is there in end since he lost that bout.
Yet more knockouts but with some nice submissions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKp5U__2uyQ...feature=related
DO THEY DO THAT IN WRESTLING?!?!
Also our posts should make it fairly obvious that the sport is legitimate. At least I thought so. I mean the thread title mentions Mixed Martial Arts not Pro Wrestling. >_>
DO THEY DO THAT IN WRESTLING?!?!
Also our posts should make it fairly obvious that the sport is legitimate. At least I thought so. I mean the thread title mentions Mixed Martial Arts not Pro Wrestling. >_>
QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ May 31 2008, 09:51 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKp5U__2uyQ...feature=related
DO THEY DO THAT IN WRESTLING?!?!
Also our posts should make it fairly obvious that the sport is legitimate. At least I thought so. I mean the thread title mentions Mixed Martial Arts not Pro Wrestling. >_>
DO THEY DO THAT IN WRESTLING?!?!
Also our posts should make it fairly obvious that the sport is legitimate. At least I thought so. I mean the thread title mentions Mixed Martial Arts not Pro Wrestling. >_>
I'm not doubting that it's real -- what I'm doubting is if it's real entertainment? Obviously you guys are down for it, and the sport is growing in popularity, so you've got a case against me.
My post was directed at Whippy.
Whether or not you find it entertaining though is personal taste. I mean people find boxing exciting... So why not a sport that has that and so much more?
Whether or not you find it entertaining though is personal taste. I mean people find boxing exciting... So why not a sport that has that and so much more?
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