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Voyou San
ok so i am going to use the Cowboys and Terry Glenn as an example, but i want this debate to be for sports in general and i want everyone's opinion.

the article is down below.. but my question is, do you think Jerry Jones is just in asking that Terry Glenn take a paycut ONLY if he gets injured again this year? I honestly think Jerry Jones has every right because he paid Glenn a huge signing bonus last year and only got 4 plays out of him, so i think Jones has every right to want Glenn to sign this waiver.

I think this is another example of a player just being greedy. If Glenn really thinks he is fully healthy, i dont see why he has a problem with this. Play the season, stay healthy, get your money. If you get hurt and you lose all that money, oh well, you made 5 mil last season for doing nothing..

what are yalls thoughts?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3448330

while Terry Glenn told ESPN's Ed Werder that he wants to be released if owner Jerry Jones continues to bar him from preparing for the season by attempting to force him to sign an injury waiver.

"I'm not signing any waiver," said Glenn, who said he wants to move on with his career if the Cowboys no longer want him.

While the receiver has not been able to practice and has done his own workouts, Glenn has seen his own personal doctor in Columbus, Ohio, who performed his right knee surgery last year. Both believe the health of his knee is not an issue.

Jones is demanding that Glenn agree to reduce his base salary from $1.7 million to $500,000 if he reinjures his right knee. Jones took a swipe at Glenn when he recently said he paid Glenn a $5 million roster bonus last offseason and only got four regular-season plays for the money.

Glenn twice underwent arthroscopic knee surgery in an effort to play last season. Jones praised Glenn at the time for ignoring doctors who wanted to perform microfracture surgery that requires a full year of rehabilitation and threatened to end the 33 year-old receiver's career.
Athrun
Hmm well it's a tricky question. Sure you pay a player to play. But it's also because of your contract with said player that he got injured. When you play on a high level, the chances of getting injured increases. So besides being payed to play, I think it can also be considered an insurance. How is he going to make a living if he got injured? He can't play for another team because he sacrificed himself for this one.

But then again, you could argue that the basic salery is good enough, and that the bonus is just for the extra performance he brings to the team.
Voyou San
QUOTE (Athrun @ Jun 17 2008, 05:13 PM) *
How is he going to make a living if he got injured? He can't play for another team because he sacrificed himself for this one.


i am sure he has enough money to make it through after football.. athletes are incredibly overpayed...

i dont think this should become a standard, but i understand why an owner would ask for this. I mean Glenn made 5 million last year for nothing, so if he gets hurt again this year, why should he make even more millions?
Theferrell
Amen. I'm with Athrun in saying that some Pro athletes get paid too much, but it's us who are paying them through merchandise and ticket sales smile.gif, as a season ticket holder for the LA Dodgers myself, I'm not complaining too much though smile.gif.

Well, I think that if someone gets injured, they shouldn't get paid AS MUCH as if they were making all the plays. I think it's fair, and more of "Coaches Insurance" than anything
Ken Masters
Well if we're talking about overpaid athletes, then who here agrees with me?

David Beckham, overhyped piece of #####, yes or no? He gets paid a #####-load of money, and for what? To show up in the late in the middle of the MLS season only to get injured and wimp out for the rest of the season.
Hugo
DOWN WITH THE COWBOYS.

I think that Jones will do what Jones wants to, that's kind of how it works in that organization.
Voyou San
QUOTE (Hugo @ Jun 20 2008, 08:53 AM) *
DOWN WITH THE COWBOYS.

I think that Jones will do what Jones wants to, that's kind of how it works in that organization.


well he is the owner, i would hope he does what he wants, it is his money
Hugo
He tends to take a much more active role in his team than other owners in the league.
Voyou San
QUOTE (Hugo @ Jun 20 2008, 10:58 AM) *
He tends to take a much more active role in his team than other owners in the league.


true at times he does i agree.. but this is good involvement on his part.
Ken Masters
Well if you have TO, Witten, and a new Conerback who the coaches are planning to play both offensively and defensively. I think Jones has plenty of options to help manage his team have a successful season. Besides I'd have to agree with Jones, Terry Glenn is getting up there in age, and lately he seems to be injury prone.
Eva
He offer the contract to Terry Glenn. If he wanted a injury clause the contract, he should have added it when he signed Terry Glenn. It's not like Terry Glenn is the only player that's being paid millions of dollars while he's unable to play. One of the best current examples of a player who's injury and doing nothing is Carl Pavano of the New York Yankees of MLB.

Carl Pavano signed a 4 year contract that would pay him 39.95 million dollars. What has he done? He's currently in the final year of his contract. He only picked 17 starts in his first season before he became injured. Starters in MLB tend to make 28-30 starts a season and Pavano was being paid as one of the best starters in the league. Since 05, he missed all of 2006. He only made a handful of starts in 07 before being shut down. He'll likely miss the entire 2008.

To sum up what Carl Pavano has done. He's made more money than most people here will ever make in just one year of his contract while doing nothing for his team for nearly for four years.

At least Terry Glenn is trying to go out there and play. He's old, but that's the risk you take signing a older player. Jerry Jones could be stuck with a player like Carl Pavano, signing him in his prime and watch him ride the disable list during his entire contract. At least Terry Glenn been productive and will likely be productive if he's not injury. Again, Jones took the risk of signing a older player. Unlike baseball, you have to be quite careful signing old men to play a physical sport like football.
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