Dragon Brigade
Jul 2 2008, 09:15 AM
This is purely rumor and whatnot, but I thought I’d post it anyway. Section could use livening up. >.o.
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German news site GameFront recently posted an interesting story regarding the listing of Suikoden VI for the PSP on a retailer's website. The story has been roughly translated on the NeoGAF forums. The retailer was in Japan and the entry has been removed -- but the rumors live on. Is Konami hard at work on Suikoden VI and moving the series onto the PSP? Or was it a clerical error and should have read PS3? Either way, until Konami makes a statement, we'll have to wait and see if anything comes up at E3 or the Tokyo Game Show.
Source:
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2008/07/01/suikod...as-a-psp-title/
Athrun
Jul 2 2008, 09:20 AM
Hopefully it either should have said PS3, or maybe it never happened at all. I don't mind rpg's on handhelds, but moving a long running series to a portable is not one of my favorite things.
Chalryn
Jul 2 2008, 06:10 PM
Yeah, just read this yesterday. I also heard a rumor of Suikoden VI being for the Wii, which is an idea I'm not too fond of, either.
I'm hoping this PSP mention was either just a.) a mix-up between "PSP" and "PS3", or b.) a mix-up between "Suikoden VI" and "the next Suikoden game." I would have no problem with a Suikoden game being released for the PSP (Suikogaiden or I+II, please oh please), so long as it's not from the main (numbered) series. I don't see why Suikoden VI should be on anything other than the PS3, really, and I hope that will be what it's released on after all.
Vilagen
Jul 2 2008, 07:27 PM
Wii was one thing since the series is not known for its graphical boundries and there are a lot of systems have been sold, but the PSP would just be a terrible idea. A spin-off is one thing, and hell, it would be neat if we saw Gaiden even, but not the main series. If anything, I am betting this was an error.
Pesmerga
Jul 3 2008, 05:35 AM
It should be a mix-up. If Konami releases Suikoden VI on the psp, they can bet on a loss of fans. I agree with what Chalryn said.
Rhadamanthus
Jul 3 2008, 07:40 AM
I highly doubt theres going to be a Suikoden VI at all, at this point.
I heard rumors about it being in the next Famitsu, but I also doubt that. REAL skeptical about that one given its source.
Konami has been dancing around these rumors for quite some time now. Suikoden V came out in what, early 2006?
We've heard nothing for over 2 years, we know Suikoden V sold miserably, even in japan, and got mediocre reviews all over the table (of course I'd say thats because they released it right next to the monster that was KH2, in the americas anyways.)
Don't get your hopes up. If anything they were probably just doing more rehashing to the psp.
The Evil Dead
Jul 3 2008, 07:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised. It'd be cheaper to make on the PSP, and we all know how Japanese RPG developers love cheap.
LagunaWannabe
Jul 3 2008, 09:20 PM
THey should legit just write a book to finish the storyline. I don't think the seres will last to be the epic storyline we all hope it to be. It's unfortunate.
Nocinderella
Jul 4 2008, 03:14 AM
QUOTE (Rhadamanthus @ Jul 4 2008, 03:40 AM)

Suikoden V came out in what, early 2006?
We've heard nothing for over 2 years, we know Suikoden V sold miserably, even in japan, and got mediocre reviews all over the table (of course I'd say thats because they released it right next to the monster that was KH2, in the americas anyways.)
Ohhh so that is why I had never seen or heard of Suikoden V until this year (it is my 1st Suikoden game, slowly getting the rest)
Anyway, no. Just no. Any decent, veteran RPG should not be continued on a handheld. Spinoffs? Sure, but that's the only exception. Chalryn pretty much summed up my thoughts perfectly.
Rhadamanthus
Jul 4 2008, 04:00 AM
QUOTE (Nocinderella @ Jul 4 2008, 07:14 AM)

QUOTE (Rhadamanthus @ Jul 4 2008, 03:40 AM)

Suikoden V came out in what, early 2006?
We've heard nothing for over 2 years, we know Suikoden V sold miserably, even in japan, and got mediocre reviews all over the table (of course I'd say thats because they released it right next to the monster that was KH2, in the americas anyways.)
Ohhh so that is why I had never seen or heard of Suikoden V until this year (it is my 1st Suikoden game, slowly getting the rest)
Anyway, no. Just no. Any decent, veteran RPG should not be continued on a handheld. Spinoffs? Sure, but that's the only exception. Chalryn pretty much summed up my thoughts perfectly.
It came out in late 2006 for both Australia and Europe.
So if you were being sarcastic, its not working all that well.
Even so, it came out in japan in February of 2006. We haven't heard anything from japan in a good 2+ years now.
I mean, Suikoden V was in development while IV was being released. If such a new title existed, I'm sure we would have heard about it by now.
Oh well, I suppose I'll have to put my foot in my mouth when I DO hear news.
Nocinderella
Jul 4 2008, 04:09 AM
QUOTE (Rhadamanthus @ Jul 5 2008, 12:00 AM)

It came out in late 2006 for both Australia and Europe.
So if you were being sarcastic, its not working all that well.
Nope, pure honesty, shocking I know. I'm not a wordly gamer, I'm only just starting to spread my wings now... *sigh* so much lost time.
LagunaWannabe
Jul 4 2008, 09:40 AM
If they game really IS coming out for PSP that's horrible. The only reason why I give excuse to their long hiatus from any news is because they're taking their sweet time amping it up for hte PS3 for a real big come back. If it ends up being some PSP game, then I'll forever desert the series.. well, at least until they make a drastic change back.
Bloo
Jul 9 2008, 09:07 AM
Meh.. I'll play it in any console if I can..
If you really love the series. you'll play it no matter what console it is for (Except for FF XI)
Just look at dissidia. Everyone is so hype up over it too =p
Pesmerga
Jul 9 2008, 09:21 AM
Ah yeah, Dissidia is hyped up, but Dissidia is a spin off, that is the diffirence.
Suikoden VI would not be a spin off, but a sequel and I, personally, think they should remain on the consoles and not handhelds. If Suikoden VI would be released on the PSP, I think a lot of fans will be disappointed. It could be Suikoden I&II for the PSP instead though, as Chalryn said before, which I hope is the case, as more people can now play Suikoden I and II and thus Suikoden as a whole franchise would sell better.
Bloo
Jul 10 2008, 04:03 AM
But isn't Suikoden I&II already in the market already. I was hoping for "Suikogaiden I & II" the be made into psp.
That and... well... I have to say. More people own psp then ps3. Perhaps that why Konami aimed the market for handhelds for this reason. The "Ka-ching" money idea =\
That could be the reason. Since lots of fans who loves the series couldn't afford a ps3 =\
Chalryn
Jul 10 2008, 04:04 PM
Suikoden I & II is indeed in the market, though only in Japan. We're just hoping for a translation.
I would totally love to see the Gaiden games released for the PSP, though I doubt they'd be translated to English, even if they were released for the PSP over there. ;_;
LagunaWannabe
Jul 10 2008, 05:52 PM
I'm just really anxious about where the series is going. If you asked me 4 years ago I'd say the series is going to EXPLODE because of how much the plotline was moving, how intense the characters were, how much history was involved in a game, and how realistic the feel of it was.
Ask me now? Suikoden is dead. Already to me as a fan unfortunately. As much of a good game as Suikoden 5 was, I feel like the series has run off the tracks. With the release of Suik4, Suikoden Tactics, and Suikoden 5, I feel like the series has gone a different direction than I wanted it to. The first 3 games were so interconnected, and even though they were parts of different regions, they were all part of a grand scheme in the storyline.
I feel like the latest games are completely random games with a few Easter Egg characters thrown in there for us. To be completely honest.
Pesmerga
Jul 12 2008, 08:30 AM
Like hell Suikoden V is random. It is a very important event in the Suikoden history, plus it involved characters that we got to see in Suikoden II.
I am sorry, but those were not easter eggs. Jeane and Viki are, but Georg, Killey and Lorelai certainly aren't.
Sure, the interaction between Suikoden V and I and II leave something to be desired, but they picked up the right track.
I think Suikoden isn't dead, I think Konami is stuck. Not perse on storylines, but on a team that can make the engine, graphics and basically make it work. We all know that the team that does Suikoden isn't very well at 3D. Their graphics always seem somewhat sloppy, even in Suikoden V.
So, I am guessing this is a big factor and I would suggest on looking for help somewhere else in the company. I mean, a diffirent team recently released a certain stealth/espionage game that caused a massive hype all over the world and maybe they can help them out.
Yes, I am saying that Kojima and his team should have a shot at Suikoden VI. Sure, it'll be a diffirent style than he usually makes, but he is known for anime, Suikoden generally is anime-ish, the story doesn't affect the graphics team. Besides, what do they have to loose?
Flame
Jul 12 2008, 04:07 PM
I'm glad Suikoden V could be played as a stand-alone game because otherwise it would have been far more exclusive to the people who played Suiko I, II and III (The first two being rare, and the third not being released in the EU to my knowledge).
I'd love for Suikoden VI to have character's appear again, more connections, more answers and more questions but I'd hate it if to understand Suiko VI you'd have to have played all the previous games. How can a series grow if it keeps on narrowing it's target audience?
Pesmerga
Jul 12 2008, 04:18 PM
Good point there, but on the other side, how can you keep your fans happy if you don't continue where you left off?
LagunaWannabe
Jul 12 2008, 05:30 PM
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I am sorry, but those were not easter eggs. Jeane and Viki are, but Georg, Killey and Lorelai certainly aren't.
Yes Georg was an important character because we find out more about his history. But with Killey and Lorelai? What did we discover about them that gives us ANY more information on the Sindar? Or Hikusaak's plan? Nothing.
Yes Cathari was from the Howling Voice Guild, but what does that mean in the broad span of the Suikoden timeline? Nothing.
What the hell was Lucretia to the Suikoden history/storyline? Nothing. She was a random tactician as far as I'm concerned.
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Good point there, but on the other side, how can you keep your fans happy if you don't continue where you left off?
And that's just my point. Suikoden 4, Tactics, and 5, have nothing to do where the story was originally headed. Killey, Lorelei, Viki, Jeane, Howling Voice Guild, some ship references to Suik 4, were all Easter Eggs as far as I'm concerned. They give MORE information on characters from the Suikoden past, but do absolutely nothing to advance the original direction of the first three games.
Suikoden 5 was an amazing game don't get me wrong, just not what I'm looking for in the storyline.
Bloo
Jul 18 2008, 04:09 AM
Viki and Jeane are already part of the suiko series as vital characters. I can't image blinking without viki.
Its there for a reason. For example. For everygame, there will be a star for "chefs" etc etc. So yeah. Viki is needed to be a star that teleports people to places lol.
cloudycat
Jul 18 2008, 04:28 AM
QUOTE (The Evil Dead @ Jul 3 2008, 04:44 PM)

I wouldn't be surprised. It'd be cheaper to make on the PSP, and we all know how Japanese RPG developers love cheap.
Same here, and I'd certainly be happier seeing Suiko 6 on the PSP than on the Wii. I'd prefer it on one of the more powerful systems but I could definitely live with a PSP sequel.
Final Fantasist
Jul 31 2008, 04:22 AM
The only issue I have with the PSP is bringing a game like Suikoden that takes so many hours to complete everything (talking about the 108 SoD), to something that lasts only for 7~9 hours straight, without recharging. Yes folks, I'm talking about the battery, seems pointless at first, but in the long run, it gets annoying to play a game like this in the PSP.
Pesmerga
Jul 31 2008, 07:43 AM
Lol, the psp battery arguements are old. There are better batteries released for the psp, so there is no reason to complain about the length of them anyway.
Besides, what idiot plays a game for 7 hours straight!?
When I play on my PSP, I play for an hour maybe. Usually when I got home I check my power status and if it is low, I simply charge it.
The only times I had no power on my PSP was when I forgot to charge it.
The reason why I wouldn't want to see Suikoden VI be released on the PSP is because I want to play the game in full glory. Sure, PSP is high quality, but I much prefer a big screen than a smaller one.
However, I wouldn't mind a PSP game, as a matter of fact, I have Suikoden I&II on the PSP myself.
I would like to see a spin off though, maybe a 2D fighter. I think this would be a pretty nifty idea, as there are more than enough characters to choose from.
Think Guilty Gear meets Suikoden, or Street Fighter III meets Suikoden. I think the gameplay of those two titles would work perfectly for a Suikoden fighter.
Voyou San
Jul 31 2008, 08:13 AM
what if they did a PS3 and PSP release of the same game? Wouldnt that hit on both markets and reach a good bit of audience? It would give the huge PSP market in Japan another great game while also giving the PS3 crowd a very good RPG to its system that might convince some PS2 owners to upgrade to a PS3.
I cant speak for everyone but i wonder if a lot of PS2 owners are just waiting for a good batch of RPG's to hit the PS3 before they take the plunge and upgrade their hardware.
Sigs Minock
Jul 31 2008, 11:50 AM
QUOTE (Voyou San @ Jul 31 2008, 09:13 AM)

I cant speak for everyone but i wonder if a lot of PS2 owners are just waiting for a good batch of RPG's to hit the PS3 before they take the plunge and upgrade their hardware.
heh, i'm one of them. until the PS3 has a better game library, and i have the cash for one, i'm not buying a PS3, especially when the PS2 refuses to die [with Persona 4 and Devil Summoner 2 on the horizon...]
as for the new story, i've been ruminating over a story... set in the age before the Sindar (or maybe just after they leave), where a Warlord who bears the forgotten
Void Rune (or Rune of Nothingness, somewhat akin to the Gate runes) as he fights an amry who's leader is being driven made as per his rune, the
Hell Rune (just think Sun Rune, but on serious crack)... and it's at the end of the conflict where Hell Rune gets fragmented
into the Sun, Dawn, and Twilight rune... and the Void Rune changes to the Soul Eater.
how many people would play that story?
The Evil Dead
Jul 31 2008, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (Final Fantasist @ Jul 31 2008, 07:22 AM)

The only issue I have with the PSP is bringing a game like Suikoden that takes so many hours to complete everything (talking about the 108 SoD), to something that lasts only for 7~9 hours straight, without recharging. Yes folks, I'm talking about the battery, seems pointless at first, but in the long run, it gets annoying to play a game like this in the PSP.
Pretty much all titles I have on my PSP are RPG's and I've yet to have any issue with the battery that has come with my PSP. You're really away from an outlet that long to use the entire battery life? Most of my PSP gaming is done at home or elsewhere, but either way there's always an outlet ( Even when I'm at school ) to plug into.
Chalryn
Jul 31 2008, 03:37 PM
QUOTE (Sigs Minock @ Jul 31 2008, 02:50 PM)

as for the new story, i've been ruminating over a story... set in the age before the Sindar (or maybe just after they leave), where a Warlord who bears the forgotten Void Rune (or Rune of Nothingness, somewhat akin to the Gate runes) as he fights an amry who's leader is being driven made as per his rune, the Hell Rune (just think Sun Rune, but on serious crack)... and it's at the end of the conflict where Hell Rune gets fragmented into the Sun, Dawn, and Twilight rune... and the Void Rune changes to the Soul Eater.
how many people would play that story?
Do I need to point out how many things are wrong with that? x.x; Aside from just sounding like a lot of recycled material, I'll just point out that the Sun Rune, unlike Dawn and Twilight, is already a True Rune, so it wouldn't be "born" from something like another rune -- just the Sword and/or Shield.
Besides, like Laguna, I'd like to see some story progression beyond Suikoden III, rather than more lingering in the distant past.
As for the 2-D fighter idea, I'd be all for it. Really, as long as whatever the title may be isn't part of the main series, I'll be fine with it on the PSP. Though I'd
really rather see one/some of the titles I mentioned earlier, more than anything new. The Suikoden 1 & 2 bundle is
always welcome, and the gaiden games really just seem like they'd work out well for PSP.
Final Fantasist
Jul 31 2008, 05:36 PM
QUOTE (Pesmerga @ Jul 31 2008, 03:43 PM)

Lol, the psp battery arguements are old. There are better batteries released for the psp, so there is no reason to complain about the length of them anyway.
Besides, what idiot plays a game for 7 hours straight!?
Idiot here, what can I say? I have free time on my holidays. The arguments may be old, but they're still there, plain to sight.
Besides, what idiot buys a new battery for some extra game hours!?
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Pretty much all titles I have on my PSP are RPG's and I've yet to have any issue with the battery that has come with my PSP. You're really away from an outlet that long to use the entire battery life? Most of my PSP gaming is done at home or elsewhere, but either way there's always an outlet ( Even when I'm at school ) to plug into.
Let's just say that in Portugal there aren't many "free" places with plugs for the "public".
Anyway, I don't really care, I'l just wait for the release, if it gets one.
Pesmerga
Aug 1 2008, 09:50 AM
An person that plays 7 hours straight without a break, or ever finding a outlet that complains about the short lifespan of the PSP with the LCD screen and the music on the highest setting is the idiot that SHOULD buy the better battery.
If not, stop whining about irrelevant points.
You're the first person that I have seen that complains about the PSP's battery ever since the initial 2/3 months after its release. Besides, what is stupid about buying a better battery for more consecutive hours if you complain that you don't have enough. Really, talk about being a hypocrite.
I agree with LW and Chal, the series could use some revamping when it comes to storyline.
I'd like to move on as well. I'd like to see more information about the Sindar, Pesmerga and Yuber, Viki and Jeane and some more light on the creation myth, as well as Hikusaak.
Though, my believe is that Konami wants to save this for last.
I wouldn't mind seeing Suikogaiden being released on the PSP either. I agree with Chal again, as long as it is not part of the main series, I am down with it.
I also strongly believe that a 2D fighter could really work and make a very good game, provided a strong gameplay.
I'd like to see them team up with either Sammy, or Capcom.
Final Fantasist
Aug 1 2008, 01:03 PM
QUOTE (Pesmerga @ Aug 1 2008, 05:50 PM)

You're the first person that I have seen that complains about the PSP's battery ever since the initial 2/3 months after its release.
Then we leave on different worlds, my friend.
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I agree with LW and Chal, the series could use some revamping when it comes to storyline.
I'd like to move on as well. I'd like to see more information about the Sindar, Pesmerga and Yuber, Viki and Jeane and some more light on the creation myth, as well as Hikusaak.
Though, my believe is that Konami wants to save this for last.
After the sales flop that Suikoden V was, the chances that they'll pick up the series again are rather narrow, but then again, that never stoped Konami from releasing games. We can also blame Suikoden IV for the poor sales of V, the game was bad, imo, in comparision with the other suikodens, it's only natural that some people were turned off in buying V.
As to the whole Suikogaiden thing, that's something that I just can't see happening. I would be thrilled, were it to be announced though *sigh* but since the Suikoden I & II port for the PSP didn't leave Japan, if the Suikogaiden series were to be released, how much do you wanna bet it would stay in Japan?
We can just hope.
The Evil Dead
Aug 1 2008, 01:10 PM
QUOTE (Final Fantasist @ Jul 31 2008, 08:36 PM)

Besides, what idiot buys a new battery for some extra game hours!?
How is someone an idiot for wanting to invest in a battery for longer battery life? I haven't done so myself but I'm probably going to once I get my PSP collection up to snuff.
As for your issue with battery life, I guess I didn't pay attention to your location. I suppose it'd be an issue then, but there are solutions like a better battery... Or honestly, the one in it isn't all that bad in my opinion.
Chalryn
Aug 1 2008, 01:11 PM
I've been doubting a Suikogaiden release here as well. I've just been pointing it out as a cool idea.
The Suikoden series definitely could use a nice fighter, though. They've already released a Tactics game for the series, plus the Suikogaiden games as another form of RPG, so may as well throw a nice fighter out there as well.
Pesmerga
Aug 1 2008, 03:12 PM
QUOTE (Final Fantasist @ Aug 1 2008, 10:03 PM)

Then we leave on different worlds, my friend.
No, you live in the past. Seriously, the PSP bashing and its battery bashing are done. There is no reason to keep complaining about it. If you don't like it, buy a better one, if not then stop whining, or charge your PSP more often and put the settings on a lower setting.
As I said in a previous post, I never had any trouble with its battery and I don't see the reason to complain about it.
I have yet to come across a person that plays 7-9 hours straight.
QUOTE (Final Fantasist @ Aug 1 2008, 10:03 PM)

After the sales flop that Suikoden V was, the chances that they'll pick up the series again are rather narrow, but then again, that never stoped Konami from releasing games. We can also blame Suikoden IV for the poor sales of V, the game was bad, imo, in comparision with the other suikodens, it's only natural that some people were turned off in buying V.
As to the whole Suikogaiden thing, that's something that I just can't see happening. I would be thrilled, were it to be announced though *sigh* but since the Suikoden I & II port for the PSP didn't leave Japan, if the Suikogaiden series were to be released, how much do you wanna bet it would stay in Japan?
We can just hope.
About Suikoden VI, I have no idea. It has taken Konami long enough to give the fans any form of information about the title and thus my hopes of a 6th title are decreasing every day.
Suikogaiden is just something I wish would get a Western release. Because of the amount of text and lack of interest in text based RPGs, this game will never reach our shores, but I'd still hope that it will get some magical release.
Hugo
Aug 20 2008, 10:08 PM
QUOTE (Chalryn @ Aug 1 2008, 01:11 PM)

I've been doubting a Suikogaiden release here as well. I've just been pointing it out as a cool idea.
The Suikoden series definitely could use a nice fighter, though. They've already released a Tactics game for the series, plus the Suikogaiden games as another form of RPG, so may as well throw a nice fighter out there as well.
A Suikoden fighter is about the worst thing I ever heard of, Suikoden has always had great stories, and a fighter, meh I just don't see it. Bad idea, as is an action game, or any other non-rpg format.
on the side topic of the PSP's battery life, 6-7 hours is plenty. Why would you need more than that? I am a serious gamer and I see nothing wrong with it.
Nash
Sep 20 2008, 11:22 PM
Ugh, if a Suikoden title get released on the PSP, I fear for the fate of its potential worldwide release. Sony already made a clear point that they have no intention to allow Konami to localise Suikoden I+II in English, remember?
I'm glad they moved to DS for Tierkreis.
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