hahahaXD this thread is going to tank so bad, but hell, I'm going to enjoy watching the posts come in about how wrestling sucks. So yea, the wwe has been in a pretty bad state lately, ratings have very much been in freefall, and even mcmahons guarentee to give away $1 million on each raw failed to grab viewers. Things began to change last week however when the wwe somewhat annual draft really shook things up. The wwe champion triple h was drafted to smackdown leaving raw with no champ, jeff ahrdy also went with him, batista and rey mysterio went to raw, and the money in the bank briefcase holder went to raw.

See MiTb is a ladder match thats held at wrestlemania every year. Whoever wins the match and wins the briefcase has a contract in said briefcase with a world title shot which can be cashed in anywhere, anytime - no prior announcement required.

Back to the story though, raw was without champion and last sunday saw their only chance to birng a title back to the show by having either (or both) john cena and batista beat their opponents triple h or edge, and bring a belt back to raw. They failed. Particularly Batista failed becuase Edge is a hilariously awesome cheating douchebag, and totally screwed him out of the belt.

Therefore on monday, live on raw, with no champ to call their own, raw received a visiotr- edge. He let the crowd know he was simply there to say that triple h could do what he wanted, but he would not be defending his title against any membe rof the raw roster in the future and his belt was staying on smackdown, so screw them. As he let, batista showed up, and absolutely brutalised him. Sriously, this wa sone of the best executed beatdowns i've seen in awhile, Batista destroyed him.

And as Batista reached the top of the ramp as he exited, one of the most awesoe moments in a lnog time happened- CM Punk's music it, and down came punk, with the case and a referee and proceded to cash in his title shot, hit his finisher on a ko'ed edge, and won the world title, bringing a main belt back to raw.

So yea. i'm not going anywhere with this, except that it was frickin awesome. Punk is a badass dude, anyone who likes wrestling should check this stuff out, the WWE has became VERY unpredictable in the last week. All three main titles on raw have changed and are now held by new younger stars, and hopefully thats a signof things to come.

C.M. Punk a sell out. He ran to WWE the first chance he got from TNA.

Outside that fact, Punk does put on a good show while he's wrestling despite his mic skills not being that great. Similar to Mysterio with good wreslter in the ring, but leaves much to be desire with the mic skills, such as interview and taunting a opponent.

RAW got worse. Batista on there along with the worst WWE champion of all time in Mysterio.

At least Batista not wearing the belt. I thought it would have been interesting if WWE did leave both title belts on one program, but that didn't happen. Obviously, that be a problem. Big shocker Henry is moved to ECW and wins the title at the PPV. Too freaking predictable. While this isn't as predictable, it was expect they bring a belt to RAW as soon as possible.

RAW is trying another spin bringing Kingston into RAW from the minor league system that's ECW. I do give WWE credit trying to push young talent like Punk and Kingston. I just hope crap like Batista don't get too much spotlight. Not a huge JBL fan, but it's better seeing him around than Cena and Batista. I can't believe the fans are starting to lack up on Cena. He's still the same terrible character he was when he was the champion. Everyone hates Edge, but at least he's entertaining in and out of the ring unlike Cena and Batista.

Hopefully, Punk and Kingston can bring youth movement. The Million Dollar Man's son and American Dream's son are both being pushed. I like seeing that. These youngest can help make WWE more interesting.

*Is daydreaming about Punk in his ROH days. Imagining him putting on those types of matches with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels(now Curry Man) and a great technical match with Kurt Angle. Letting him use his REAL finisher, the Pepsi Plunge and his great "Straight Edge" Persona. Not having to put up with this watered-down mess that is being shoved down our throats.*

Wait.....what?

(I used to be big into wrestling. However, my favorite wrestler was Chris Benoit. After the steroids scandal, I just can't watch it anymore. I still keep up with it by visiting the sites, but I don't watch it anymore. WWE is really only interesting from the Royal Rumble to about the Draft. Royal Rumble is fun, Wrestlemania is still Wrestlemania and the Draft is a nice shake-up. Everything else is old and predictable. I used to watch TNA a ton. I still kind of flip to it while CSI is in a commercial. However, they do some mind-boggingly stupid things and some of there "star" talent are just boring. Somedays I miss wrestling. Watching Raw was very fun for a while. But, I just grew out of it.)

I never understood this Raw vs Smackdown thing, but I guess it's a way for the network to spice things up by creating some form of rivalry? But they do fight each other some times?
And even though I liked wrestling back when I was little (I think it was only WWF back then. And when WCW came, fans lost interest) I never understood how the belts were won, how many belts there were etc. Still don't. I mainly liked the Royal Rumble because it was easy to understand.

The last time I saw wrestling was a few years ago. Batista was supposed to sign a contract. And as for any professional athlete, the signing took place in the middle of a wrestling ring. Not in an office with lawyers present. That's for amateurs.
So this guy got Batista to agree to sign the contract (I think it was Kurt Angle) to switch to either Raw or Smackdown, not sure which is which. At the same time a wrestler from batistas show showed up and protested, and the guy that had Batista sign the contract on a desk placed in the middle of the ring started to beat this guy up, while laughing victoriously and saying villainous things, while kicking the guy in the face as he was lying down. And since Batista hadn't signed the contract already and saw this, he stood up, and with every roid power and neck muscle in his body, he ripped off his suit, tore up the contract, grabbed the guy, and power bombed him through the desk. lol

If they want to increase the ratings, they should have Torrie Wilson and Stacy Keibler fight Batista.

Torrie Wilson doesn't wrestle anymore. She has a back injury and therefore cannot wrestle anymore, like ever. She does work for the WWE still, but no more wrestling.

About CM Punk winning the title. Yeah, that is a good thing. I am a fan of Punk, despite that he seems to be an arsehole backstage and I am glad that he got the title.
I was on the nerve of stopping with watching Smackdown, as the whole Edge-Vickie storyline was getting too annoying and too predictable. Edge is a fantastic wrestler, but his persona is too annoying. Good that CM Punk got his title.

I am also really into Kofi Kingston, despite his lies about being from Jamaica. He is a good prospect, shows great leaping abilities and the crowd already loved him.

Chris Jericho, well he's obviously a heel now, considering his actions in the last few weeks. I did like Jericho at first, but when Jeff Hardy got banned for 2 months Jericho got this annoying persona, due to him not being able to compete with Jeff Hardy anymore.

The WWE Draft was pretty good, including the supplemental draft. The biggest shock, apart from Triple H has to be JR and Cole moving places. JR at Smackdown.... who would've known.

One annoying thing, Matt Hardy being moved to ECW. Finally we saw the Hardys together again and this happens. Thank you McMahon for not willing to push the Hardys as a tagteam and therefore forcing them to work on seperate brands. It was clear that they liked the idea of working again, as you saw by their reaction when Matt went to ECW.

The young talents, such as Rhodes and DiBiase are quite interesting as well. It is good that WWE is pushing their talents, as well as sons of big stars, such as DH Smith (who has yet to appear).

I am not certain about JBL. I think he should quit. John Cena might not be the most favoured among here, but at least he shows some wrestling skills, as well as dedication in what he does. JBL is simply all talk. I hated him as an announcer, as he would always argue with Cole, despite Cole not arguing, JBL would still argue. I hated and hate him as a wrestler. He should quit, he really should.

I'm awaiting the Undertaker's return. Anyone that believed he was actually quitting the company is too gullible.
Anyway, from what I have read, he should be coming back soon, as he only took time off to rest from some minor injuries he had accumulated over the time. *insert gong sound*

I'm loving RAW right now. It's unpreditcable nature is keeping me watching. Without Vince hogging up TV time and HHH holding everyone back RAW has been pretty amazing so far. When CM won the title I was shocked. It was awesome. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later but I didn't expect it at that moment. During that awesome Edge segment (Edge rules) I was like come on CM Punk, come on.... and then after Edge got beat up by Batista and Punk's music hit I was excited. Hopefully Punk gets a nice title run. He's one of the best and I think he deserves it. Definitely cool to see someone like him champ instead of the huge guys like Cena, HHH or Orton. I'm interested to see where this hopeful feud with Batista goes.

I like Kofi as IC Champ. He has an awesome style and is one of my favs as well. Kinda sucks that he doesn't get much of a reaction from the RAW crowd though and I think his title reign might be short because of it. =/

I'm liking what their doing with Cena right now, keeping him out of the main event. I think it's cool that he has the little group with Cryme Time. I've hated Cena for a long time but I don't mind it when he's not hogging the main event spot and I'm interested to see where they go with this group as well.

Kane finally turned heel again. It should have happened a long time ago. Kane as a face just doesn't work for me. Hopefully this storyline with Kane is good and he gets a good feud with somebody. My theory when he was saying "Is he alive or dead?" is that he was referring to Paul Bearer. Can't be Undertaker because everyone knows Undertaker isn't "dead" he's just banished. It could be Vince but I hope not. Or maybe it'll be something totally unexpected.


The Mchmahon storyline needs to start going somewhere. It's kinda dumb to begin with but I hope they make it interesting and do a whole "who tried to kill Vince" thing and it turns out to be someone unexpected.

The only two things I don't care about is the tag team and women's division. I like Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase as a team but they have no real competition so their title reign is pointless. The only legit tag team other than them is Cryme Time so expect a feud between those teams soon. And as far as the women's division goes they need to stop having Mickie James fight random people and have her against Katie Lea or Beth Phoenix. It really sucks that my favorite women's wrestler Melina is out for a while. Just when she was on a roll too. =/

But yeah RAW is pretty good with the no boss, no rules thing going on. Pretty entertaining stuff.

I like Cena's offscreen dedication to the company, he really does a lot. On screen, however, I find him annoying. He is funny with his conversations and such and I like how he takes the mick at JBL, or whatever person, but wrestling wise I find him less interesting.

I am interested in Kane's heel turn. Kane deserves so much more and with the Undertaker on the verge of coming back, maybe this will result in an interesting development. If the Ministry of Darkness is coming back, I am gonna cry.
Now that Taker is coming back with a vengeance, Kane is turning heel, rambling something about dead and alive, possibly linking to Paul Bearer, JBL ranting and raving about what he deserves... the possibility is there. However, Edge could be the block in that. He was a member as well and we all know how Taker and Edge are at the moment =P.

Still, a return of the Ministry of Darkness would be awesome. Kane and Taker should team up again and cause havoc on Raw and Smackdown.

Now that Smackdown's story with Edge and Vicky seems to be done and finished (please let it finish, this suffering cannot continue) new and more interesting things can begin.

Speaking off Kofi Kingston, he got amazing response from the crowd last monday. I personally like him and his persona, plus he is a very talented wrestler.

On the Kane heel turn: Fans have asked Paul Bearer if Kane was raving about him, when asking "is he alive, or is he dead" and Paul's response was: "Sorry, but I can't answer that one. Interesting storyline, isn't it?
*gasps*

omfg. This has actually turned into a real thread with proper responses. Is this really dreamers? Awesomeness, later when i have time i'll get a real reponse on the go, hopefully turn this into an ongoing thread, but for now i just have to laugh at this:


ahahahahahah that is f*ckin hilarious man. Every roid power and neck muscle hahahah, that kills me. For that you get this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F2cisqsVrrM

Mate, the wrong one =P.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4037Ndl851c

This promo looks so good. Kane going heel has to be amazing. Please, WWE, make this heel turn amazing ! Kane <3

I kept asking myself the same thing.

lol, wrestling fans come from all walks of life. You'd be surprised. If you look at me for instance you wouldn't think I'd be into wrestling because I have that artsy type style about me but I love it. I've been watching it since I was young. Wrestling is pretty entertaining at times, more so than some other things and I think that's why people like it.

I'm just giving you guys a hard time.

I prefer real combat sports myself.

Yeah, that is the drawback of wrestling nowadays. It is commonly known as a "fake" sport, or rather "sports entertainment" which is rather pathetic. However, it was named this way, to avoid governmental athletic regulation, or something like that.

Also, some of the storylines are just so idiotic, that it is impossible to consider it maybe being real.
Another factor is also that sometimes matches are performed pretty sloppy and sometimes over exaggerated that it is too obvious.

I'd like to see some of the danger back in the game. I mean, Randy Orton's injury looked pretty bad and showed that it can be quite dangerous.
I'd also like to see some more blood, make it more adult and generally get rid off all the ##### kids watching the show. They should also bring back banned moves. That way, WWE is bound to get more viewers and at least get some viewers from the past back.

Yeah it would be cool to have more risk taking and edgy stuff, but it really takes a toll on the wrestlers. That's why they have toned down a lot I think. It's because so many wrestlers were getting injured and their careers cut short. It's not that THAT bad now. The old days were better, but still it's ok now. It definitely could be a lot worse that's for sure. They still do some crazy stuff once and a while.

I know that the bodies take a lot of damage, something TED cannot disagree with, even if it is ballet for bulky men =P.

Anyway, the thing here is, it is nothing new. Nowadays they expect us to go all wild when they announce a fatal four way. Personally, I am like... yay .

Where is the fire, the blood, the tables, the ladders, the chairs, the cages? Danger brings reality. If you see someone get hurt, you realize that it is not just a game. I mean, Randy Orton fell from the top rope on his shoulder and is now out for a total of 3 months, because he fractured his shoulder. Sure, it sucks for him and I know he is very upset about it. However, it is part of the whole business.

Look at for example the match between Edge and Mick Foley, where Edge speared him through a burning table. Those things are needed by the WWE. They need risk taking stuff. Everyone knows a piledriver, powerbomb and the pedigree are dangerous and all have caused major injuries, but we're used to them.

The match between the Undertaker and Edge, where the Undertaker was "banished" (anyone that believed this is ##### stupid) was pretty boring. The only interesting things in this match were: The Major brothers getting slammed through the tables, Edge getting a Last Ride through two tables and Undertaker getting thrown off the ladder through 4 tables.

Besides, the storylines are getting ridiculous now. Here I thought the Edge/Vickie thing was done, but nope, SD had to pick it up again. The whole Jericho vs. Michaels thing was old when Batista beated Michaels, but Raw has to continue with the whole whiny Jericho gimmick. Also, Michaels is not good at selling an injury. Yeah, his initial supposed "knee injury" looked great, but after that it immediatly failed. Funny that 72% thought he was actually injured. Now we have his eye and I really didn't bought it. Sure, nice thing by Jericho, banging his head against a flat screen monitor, but there was no blood and that took away the realism.

So, after this long rant of mine, all I can say is: bring back the blood/danger. There is no way around it. WWE wants people to start watching again, so make it worthy and bring back blood.

I don't even remember there being blood. And I guess some moves are riskier than others, but I don't really try to associate this with reality anyway. It's a scripted drama, so I actually prefer if they don't get injured when it's not even a competition. Movie stars use stunt men to avoid injuries. Of course it's cool when someone does their own stunts, like Jackie Chan. But I always saw that as a side thing.

Yeah, scripted drama indeed, but way too obvious. They should at least try to cover it up.

And yeah, blood: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-eIgLmYPAsQ

Mick Foley is awesome <3

I just thought I'd post the results of today's PPV here, including my thoughts on the matches.
So, for anyone that still wants to see this PPV (Great American Bash) stop reading now, because this match will contain spoilers and I will not black them.

First of all, it was a very solid PPV with good matches and actions and somewhat unpredictability. Did it suffice my hopes, yes and no. One thing I have been looking for was some sign of the Undertaker, however none made so far.
On the other side, some good matches were made.

We'll start from the beginning:

Fatal Four Way Tag Team for the Tag Team Championship
Finlay + Hornswoggle, Zack Ryder + Kurt Hawkins, Jesse + Festus, John Morrison + The Miz (defenders)

This was a decent opening match with some good action, however, with 8 people wrestling and basically about 8-9 minutes per match, you won't see a lot of the personality of the wrestlers.
However, it was a decent match and even little Hornswoggle got a little bit of action.
I give this match a 3/5

My bet: Jesse + Festus
Winners: Zack Ryder + Kurt Hawkins (by pinfall)(new tag team champions)

2nd Match for the US Championship
Matt Hardy (defender) vs. Shelton Benjamin

Another decent match. Matt Hardy seems to be on a roll lately with high quality matches and overall good technical wrestling. Today was no different.
Both Shelton and Matt gave a good technical performance and put on a good show. There were lots of counters coming from both sides and several high risk moves. Matt Hardy somewhat missed a moonsault, but it was remotely covered by a quick reaction from Shelton.
This match gets a 3/5 from me.

My bet: Matt Hardy
Winner: Shelton Benjami (by pinfall)(new US Champion)

3rd Match for the ECW Championship
Mark Henry (defender) vs. Tommy Dreamer

I am not a big fan of ECW, as it has gone completely soft, something which is very shameful. This match wasn't very special to me and nothing much happened that kept me really interested.
It seems that there is a too big gap between some members on ECW and overall this match was in hands of Mark Henry. Tommy Dreamer had little effect on the match and it was somewhat a waste of time.
However, Tommy Dreamer, for some reason, seemed close to winning the match, till Colin Delaney suddenly turned on Tommy and lost the match, due to Mark Henry delivering a World's Strongest Slam. Anyone that is interested in ECW will most likely find this interesting.
I give this match a 2/5

My bet: Mark Henry
Winner: Mark Henry (by pinfall)

4th match
Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels

This feud is getting on my nerves and this heel persona of Chris Jericho isn't entertaining either. I was somewhat hoping that this would finish this chapter in the current ongoing blame Michaels saga.
However, this match started of as entertaining. Nothing special really, just good wrestling from both sides. There was some intereference from Lance Cade, however nothing major. Things took a major turn (to my pleasure) that Shawn Michaels started bleeding heavily, after getting an elbow on the eyebrow, where his kayfabe injury is. With Shawn Michaels' face fully covered with blood, it suddenly looked more serious and dangerous (I keep telling that blood should return, thanks WWE for listening).
Now Jericho became aggressive, more than he already was and kept pounding and kicking on his eyebrow.
The referee kept asking Michaels if he wanted to give up, but Michaels kept denying.
In the end Jericho had Michaels on the floor and kept pounding on his eyebrow and due to Jericho holding his other arm, Michaels was defenseless. The referee pulled Jericho off and called the match. Michaels was unable to contiue fighting.
This was a very good match, mainly due to the seriousness, because of the blood. My rating 4/5.

My bet: Shawn Michaels
Winner: Chris Jericho (by KO)

5th Match for the WWE Diva's Championship
Michelle McCool vs. Natalya Neidhart

The only thing I really cared about in this match, was to see who would be the first holder of the new WWE Diva's Championship belt.
Overall it was a decent match. A good performance from both the divas and the legendary Sharpshooter was used, to many fans' pleasure.
In the end it was more of a match between locks. Natalya and her Sharpshooter and McCool and her ankle lock.
This match gets a 3/5 from me.
After the match, Chris Jericho came on stage and announced that Shawn Michaels will not be wrestling anymore, due to his eye injury.

My bet: Michelle McCool
Winner: Michell McCool (by tap out)(first winner of WWE Diva's Championship)

6th match for the World Heavyweight Championship
CM Punk (defender) vs Batista

This was a match I was very interested in. Mainly, because I am a fan of CM Punk and I think he deserves his title reign.
Many were expecting CM Punk to loose, but I had faith.
This is my favourite match of the evening. CM Punk was on the winning side for most of the match. Many kicks landed on Batista's face and it looked really good. To sell Batista's brute force, Batista only needed 1, or 2 moves to floor CM Punk, but it usually ended in Punk countering one of Batista's moves.
In the end, Batista got the upper hand, after delivering a Spine Buster outside the ring. However, a sudden interruption from Kane changed the match. Kane attacked Batista and knocked him out, he then got in the ring and gave CM Punk a Chokeslam. He then shouted the same questions he had been shouting before. He was also carrying that bag he carried on Monday Night Raw.
The match was called and when CM Punk was lifting his title in the air, Batista gave CM Punk a Batista Bomb.

My bet: CM Punk
Winner: none (double DQ) (CM Punk defends World Heavyweight Championship)

7th match: New York City Parking Lot Brawl

I wasn't expecting much from this match, because these matches usually are very slow, due to the high impact moves. The same goes for this one.
The match started good, with a very aggressive John Cena, nearly killing JBL by throwing a beer keg at him when he was on the front of the car, but JBL dodged.
At some point, JBL throw John's head through a car window and on the wind shield and then a DDT on the roof of a car. After that, he throws John Cena in a car and sets it on fire, but the marshals quickly turn out the fire. John Cena angered by this, goes straight after JBL and knocks him against a car a few times, eventually throwing into a car. He then rams a forklift truck and rams it against the car, then lifts it up and drives it into the arena, to continue the match. John Cena delivers one of his high impact moves on the ramp and sets up his FU.
However, as John Cena is and the reason why I don't like him, he changes his mind and wants to land the FU on the car that is next to the ramp, thus taking time and giving JBL time to counter and throwing Cena on the wind shield...again. Match done.
I give this match a 3/5. Overall it was decent, but the slow pace of the match, as well as the few dangerous moves made this not that entertaining for me.

My bet: John Cena
Winner: JBL (by pinfall)

Main Event for the WWE Championship
Triple H (defender) vs. Edge

This match had some interesting turns and twists that will certainly get my eye on Friday.
Overall, it was what you expect from Edge, lots of counters. Triple H also gave a good performance and everything was pretty smooth. With smooth I mean moves flowing into each other, thus making the match whole and not segmented, like you sometimes see.
Both wrestlers got some good moves and action and attention. Eventually, when both men are down, Felicia Fox (the wedding planner of Vickie and Edge) interferes and puts the title in front of Edge, for him to grab it. Then Vickie runs on stage and hits Felicia with a clothesline (I know xD) and puts the title back. Felicia then gets in a fight with Vickie on stage (I know x'D) and the two fight it out. Edge, who is now on his feet, sees the ref trying to take them apart, while Felicia is closest to him. He sets up a spear, but Felicia gets away and Edge hits Vickie with a spear (I KNOW x'DDDDD).
Triple H is on his feet as well and kicks Edge in the gut, delivering a Pedigree.
I give this match a 4/5. Entertaining and surprising. Good times.

My bet: Triple H
Winner Triple H (by pinfall)(defends the WWE Championship)

A good show, with some interesting twists, such as Kane and Vickie.
Also, very interesting to see the poll.
The poll was: "Who do you sympathize with more? Edge, or Vickie. The answer 55% for Edge (I ##### KNOW x'D). It seems the fans haven't forgotten what she did to the Undertaker.

Anyway, entertaining evening indeed.

The last PPV was pretty good, Could've been better but it was alright. I expected Matt Hardy to lose his title because it's pretty much a given that he will be ECW champion soon. The whole reason why he was sent there was to become the new face of that brand. Morrison and Miz losing their titles shocked me. They were obviously going to lose them at some point but I never thought it would be to Hawkins and Ryder... One thing that pissed me off though is how they just couldn't have Punk beat Batista clean. Kinda getting sick of how they keep making him look weak.

Given Punks'(he is also from RoH) MMA background, he can literally go undefeated in the WWE. It's not that they make him look weak, it's that he can make his opponents look weak. Batista can't take him straight and everyone knows it lol. Sadly that's the way of the WWE. They tone certain people down and do not use them properly.

I agree Shion, in both matches Punk kicked Batista's butt and was continuously on top of him. Because Batista is mighty strong, he only needed 3 attacks, or less to floor Punk and he looked weak, even though Punk has proven to be one of the strongest wrestlers in today's business. Most people seen him lift up Mark Henry to deliver a GTS and that is pretty amazing. Sure, he fell but that is to sell Henry's weight.

I hope Morrison gets a boost as well, as he showed great technical abilities. Moonsault with a ladder, high jumps, areal skills, corkscrews and overall a good wrestler.

I am also pleased to hear that the Undertaker will have a match against Edge at Summerslam. Hell in a Cell =D.

And yeah, I am not so sure about Hawkins and Ryder being tag team champions. I'd like to see Jesse and Festus to get the title, if not then Jimmy Wang Yang and Shannon Moore.

They should also bring Funaki back. He only works as a jobber nowadays, which is a shame.
On that note, Ultimo Dragon would be nice to return to WWE.

I hope they actually let Punk win a match clean at least just once. They need to put him against a heel if they really don't want one of their top faces to lose momentum. I say put him against Jericho. Punk vs Jericho would be awesome.

Maybe use this to boost Lance Cade?

I think Lance Cade would be better off in a feud with Kofi Kingston right now.

I think Kofi is feuding with Paul Burchill and his sister with Mickie James as his partner.
Anyway, Lance Cade has got some skills that definitely earn some gold, other than his tag team championship he had with Trevor Murdoch.

I also enjoy Santino Marella's shenanigans. I think he is truly hilarious and he should come on every show.
He doesn't wrestle very much and is portrayed as a crappy wrestler, but he brings a lot of entertainment to the show.
The most charismatic wrestler in the WWE? He so earns that title x'D. Also, his current stunt with Beth Phoenix (repeated this week =D) is simply hilarious.

Paul Burchill is ok but I'd rather see Lance Cade built up. Hopefully that will happen after this feud ends. I really want to see what this guy can do. Also, I love Santino as well. He's the most entertaining guy they have right now. Good mic skills, good comedic timing, and he's actually a great wrestler even though he's not portrayed as such. He's got it all.

So what did you guys think about this episode of RAW?

I thought it was alright actually. Good to see Regal back and more brutal than ever. I hope he doesn't cock this up with another suspension and thus release from the company.

Again Santino Marella on the tv, to my pleasure and a big snog from Beth Phoenix this time. I like this stunt they're doing with those two, it is quite funny.

I was also pleased to finally see Jamie Noble in some action, I think he's quite an entertaining guy as well.

I wasn't sure about the Joe Cole/Lawler vs. Rhodes/DiBiase match. It sort of went nowhere. This will probably end up in a feud with Jerry and Mike Adamle.

On that note, Adamle as GM? I am not so sure about this, but I can understand the decision, because as an announcer he simply fails.

I am getting slightly annoyed with Batista lately and his quest for gold. It is like an obsession.

I didn't like the main event that much either, as there are only a few tag teams I do like, such as the Hardyz and London & Kendrick

I hope Chris Jericho's character changes as well, it is sorta boring now. Same stories every week.

But yeah, overall there were some good matches and a lot of development with Regal back and Adamle the new GM.

I think she's starting to like it. Her face was all apple red after that kiss from last night . I'm not too sure about Adamle being the new GM. I hope he doesn't become a rating killer that Regal was. Speaking of Trevor Murdoch..he was badass in the beginning and then wtf..?

Well, considering Adamle was a ratingkiller as an announcer, I am unsure how he is going to improve Raw. I mean, Cena vs. Batista isn't really anything exciting for a PPV match.
I was hoping for a bit more action. Granted, I am not a fan of Cena and I am losing interest in Batista as well.

I do hope that CM Punk gets a good opponent for Summerslam and not JBL. Maybe Kane will be a good opponent and maybe that will finally continue Kane's storyline where he is supposedly asking questions about a certain someone.

About Trevor Murdoch, I believe he was released from the WWE a few days after the draft, which was quite strange.
I believe that the head writer specifically asked for Trevor Murdoch, but a few days later he was released, because they couldn't find a storyline for him. From what I have read, Trevor agreed with it and it was a friendly departure.

And yeah, I say it again. Santino Marella is hilarious. I never had a moment where I couldn't love, despite him being a heel. His accent is very well played and his pronunciation is simply amazing. Rey the Mastrio x'D.
And this thing with Beth Phoenix could turn out into something quite funny =P.

I think it'll turn out where Adamle wasn't really as dumb as everyone thought and he was just putting on an act for everyone and he'll turn out to be a pretty good heel GM. Think about this, if he really was that bad would he seriously still have a job by now? I think it was all a plan by Vince to mess with us, namely the internet fans since we're considered "smarks" or smart fans that supposedly know everything that's going on behind the scenes thanks to all those wrestling news sites. At least I'm hoping that's the case.

And I think Jericho's new character is amazing. He's probably the best on the mic in the roster right now. Yes there's a little bit of the same stuff in his promos but if you really sit back and watch him, his promos have been amazing and entertaining and I'm liking this darker Chris Jericho. He's the best heel on the RAW roster and I hope HBK is gone for a while because I want to see Jericho vs Punk. They can make one hell of a match if given the chance.

EDIT: Maybe this thread should be re-named WWE thread or something since this is not just about CM Punk winning the title anymore? Just a thought.

No, Adamle is really this bad. They tried to make people believe it was just his character, but he is really bad at announcing. The reason he still works in the WWE is because he is a friend of McMahon and Vince offered him a job at WWE as an announcer in the first place.

When Jericho returned, I was very pleased, but his current persona is just annoying. Yeah, he is currently the best heel on Raw, but that is because Randy Orton isn't there. Who else on Raw, that is active is a heel? Raw has many heel characters, but none of them are used, apart from JBL and Jericho. Kane is supposedly heel, but the last few episodes didn't really showed that. Burchill is dropping as well. He should get some more time, as well as back to his pirate gimmick, much better. Burchill's accent is so fake, I sometimes really wonder if he's really from England. I know that he is, but he doesn't talk English at all, he talks like an American putting up an English accent, which seems logical. However, William Regal does show an English accent. Katie Lea is even worse, she's German and supposedly raised in London, but dear crap does that accent sound out of place.

Jericho vs. Punk does look good on the paper and despite my grudge against Jericho at the moment, he is a good wrestler

I can't wait for Summerslam though, Hell in a Cell is going to be amazing <3.

I don't know. I have a feeling he really isn't. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.



Why is Jericho's current persona annoying you?

It is too repetitive for me. I know that this is generally the case, same reasons why I don't like Edge at the moment.
Every week he is on, he keeps bragging about him "taking out HBK", or doing this, or that for several weeks.
However, ever since he got on the show, he lost most of his PPV matches, including the one where he was supposed to "save us" from Randy Orton.

I really liked his former character, the goofy Jericho, that despite not being serious, still won many titles, including the most Intercontinental Championships.

To me he is going nowhere with this character of his. He is insulting the fans and repeating himself over and over again. Really, he is interfering with other people's business, where HBK and Batista had a feud, he talked himself into it.

When he showed his footage, about his former character, all I could do was laugh. Why? Because it is entertaining. His current character simply annoys me and, just as with Edge, I am on the verge of switching the channel when he comes on. Unless he will actually wrestle.

Well he has to say what he is scripted to say. It's not like he chooses anything. But he delivers it wonderfully. If he could write his own promos he'd be much better. Once this thing with HBK is over I think he will actually get the chance to shine even more.

Jericho has the freedom in the creative team of WWE and I believe he does put down his ideas for his own promos.
So yeah, the script is partially his own work.

Hm, maybe. Who knows really? I think he's doing a great job so far. If he's getting on people's nerves then he's doing his job as a heel. He's one of my personal favs so I guess I have a bias.

Since we're on the topic of wrestlers, who are your guys favorite wrestlers from the past/present?

I know quite of this inside information, because I read various sites that have inside scoops that explain certain things. For example that Cena and Mickie were dating and now Undertaker and McCool x'D.

My favourite wrestlers:

Smackdown:

- Jeff Hardy
- Triple H
- Big Show
- Mr Kennedy (I was one of the few that liked him when he was heel)
- The Undertaker
- Jesse + Festus
- Brian Kendrick

Raw:

- CM Punk
- Rey Mysterio
- Paul London
- HBK
- Santino Marella
- Jamie Noble
- Kane
- Kofi Kingston

These are simply the ones I look out for the most. If I have to pick one from each brand, it will be Jeff Hardy, or the Undertaker from Smackdown and Rey Mysterio, or Kane from Raw.

It's always been these three: Chris Jericho, Victoria, and the Undertaker. I'm starting to like Beth Phoenix though. I've been a huge fan of Y2J since his WCW days lol. All that ##### they have him saying to the fans doesn't change my view of him one bit. He's always had that role anyway. He's also a trip - he changed this theme to SAVE_ME lol..

Sorry to bring bad news, but from what I have read, HBK will appear next week on RAW and supposedly they'll have a match at Summerslam. However, many changes have been made so far, so this might change as well.

Speaking of changes, WWE have signed Freddie Prince Jr. for the creative team. Apparantly WWE and FP Jr. are all happy with this and WWE hopes that this opens up the gate for Hollywood.

Yeah I read those wrestling news sites too, and you can't always believe what they say. For months they were saying CM Punk has a bad rep and probably won't win the title when he cashes in MITB and look what happens; he ends up being champion and has actually kept it for a good length of time so far. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're not.

Anyway on to my favs:

Smackdown:

Kennedy - My favorite wrestler at the moment. I've liked him since he first appeared in WWE and I think he is SO much better as a heel. Good on the mic, good in the ring, and very entertaining to boot. I hope they start booking him right and turn him heel. I've love to see him feud with HHH. Heel Kennedy is so much better than face Kennedy. He's barely won anything as face. When he was a heel he won a lot of the time.

Jeff Hardy : Yeah he's made some bad choices and he's paid for them but I think he's got his life back in control now. He does things that people would never have the guts to do. He puts everything on the line to entertain the fans every single match. Very few do that.

Edge : One of the best heels going now. Yeah the angle with Vickie was stupid but it wasn't his idea. Still, he pisses people off and people love to see get his ass beat and that's what a good heel is supposed to do. I've always liked Edge. He's one of the best in the ring and on the mic as well.

I don't watch Smackdown much.

RAW:

Randy Orton - Awesome heel and I like his new character. I hope he recovers from his injury very soon and ends up being the one to take the title from Punk.

Santino : Santino is god. What else is there to say? XD

Jericho : Said all I need to say about Jericho. One of my favs.

Kofi Kingston: Kofi is awesome. Very unique style.

CM Punk : One of the best and I wish they'd start booking him right.

The sites I read are very accurate and I do trust them. It is rare for them to actually be wrong.
The only times I take them with a grain of salt is when they write down their own thoughts, but usually they have pretty much dead on information.

They said when the Undertaker was about to return for example and they were right.

I love Edge as a wrestler, he is truly technical and his matches with the Undertaker were spot on. Counter after counter after counter and overall awesome matches.
However, his storyline with Vickie is truly annoying. Causing the fans to hate you doesn't always mean you're a good heel. He was annoying as a heel, not good as a heel. Everything was predictable, everything. How many times did we saw La Familia interrupt matches? Indeed, pretty much every single match Edge was involved.

The reason I disliked the storyline is because that storyline controlled Smackdown. Everything Smackdown was about, was Vickie and Edge. Did we saw any other feuds during the storyline? Hardly at all.

I agree with Mr. Kennedy. I think he works better as a heel, but they want to have him as a face, to try it out. Besides, it was already mentioned that Kennedy wasn't getting a major push, hence his current streak.
However, he remains funny and is awesome on the mic. Misteeeeeeeeer Keeeenneeedyyyyyyy...........Keeeneeeedyyyy. I loved how HBK made fun of his name and kept calling him KennedyKennedy. Now Triple H and Jim Ross caught on as well x'D.

Anyway, from what I have read, Friday Night Smackdown is going to have a fantastic ending, which involves Edge and his Hell in a Cell match against the Undertaker.
Withour spoiling any of you, from what I read, a good promo.

Seems I was pretty accurate last friday, man what a promo was that. I love Mick Foley and his speech about Edge was truly an amazing moment in WWE history.
Seems Mick Foley still has it.

On that note, Evan Bourne of the ECW roster is getting more popular with every match. It seems that he is going to be huge. He has experience in martial arts and thus is very agile, which you can see in his moves.
Vince even allows him to use the Shooting Star Press, a banned move in the WWE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ICltyDKDNg&NR=1

That is a video of him on the independent on circuit under his name Matt Sydal. He shoots crappy promos, but his in ring moves are nothing but amazing.

I think Shawn needs to hang it up before he really does get hurt beyond repair. He has doctors from outer space, but their intergalatic medicine wont work on everything. We're talking about eye sight here. And is it me or is it always Batista that does botched moves? I've seen the following:

Botched Batista bomb
Botched spear
Botched spine buster

And just last night, a botched elbow/forearm shot/clothesline/no idea wtf that was.

Shawn's eye sight seems to be fine. This is just another storyline where Shawn is the victim, like we have seen enough.
Ric Flair's retirement, fake knee injury, eye sight.. these are the last three storylines he was in and all victimized him.

And yes, Batista seems a bit reckless at times. But I have seen many wrestlers botching moves.

- Matt Hardy missing moonsault (not long ago)
- Jeff Hardy missing whisper in the wind (many times)
- Umaga hitting the chest with Samoan Spike, instead of throad (MANY times)
- John Cena missing the FU

This is why the camera always zooms in/out/away so that it doesn't show on camera x'D.

So have any of you guys been following WWE lately? What do you think about the recent title changes and other happenings?

Jericho as a heel? What a joke. Many people rave about him being awesome as a heel, personally I hate him. He makes blatant mistakes. An example is where he said that he told Shawn Michaels to tell his kids he wasn't going to wrestle any more, because of Chris. Shawn said, fine I'll do that, as long as you tell your family that you'll never be me. The next show, Chris said that Shawn didn't do it, despite Shawn saying yes. There are more of these examples.


Beth Phoenix as champ, well, with the return of Michelle, this was inevitable.
Marella as a champ, hell ##### yeah. This guy is hilarious and I am curious to see how far he is going to go with this honky tonky meter.

JBL, he needs to ##### off. Every single match he claims another title shot.

Charlie Haas, finally he is getting some matches and these cosplays are hilarious. CHL, Charlie Cena, CH (JR), it is all good. I think he should go for Hogan, Austin and the Rock.

Vickie and Big Show? I can already see where this is going, better stop it now.

Taker, of course he gets screwed again.

Edge, lovely way for him to take a break from WWE. There are talks of Cage coming back, as his contract with TNA is ending and thus he might return, if he wants. He seems to be on good terms with WWE, so there is a chance.

Foley leaving WWE and signing with TNA. Thank you Vince, next time try to be a bit more considerate with your staff.

Rhodes and DiBiase? Boring. I don't like Cryme Tyme, but they are better champs. If any, have Mysterio and Bourne go for the tag team, they were awesome 2 weeks ago.

Randy Orton is making a good return. Despite being heel again, he gets a nice reaction from the crowd. It is fun to see him slate everyone, but his action on CM Punk is a shame.

Cm Punk not a champ any more? Such a shame, I liked him as a champ and the way he lost his rematch last monday in the steel cage match was simply an insult.

Jeff Hardy is getting his push again. I love it. I love Jeff and I am glad he is getting another push for the Championship.

Matt Hardy the ECW Champion? Finally he gets what he deserves. Besides, what an awesome match that was.


John Cena injured, good news. Gives other wrestlers more time. If only JBL and Batista would shut up.
On that note, there are talks of Cena becoming a heel and doing an Austin/The Rock. I'd like to see that happen.


There also have been talks of ending Taker's streak at Wrestlemania. If they decide to end it, it is going to be by a wrestler with a huge future ahead, that is, if they prove themselves. Rumours mention the likes of DiBiase.

So yeah, I have been keeping up with WWE =P.

I'm pretty much happy with the current champions except for Santino. Even though the way Jericho won it was kind of retarded, CM Punk really wasn't making it as champ. The way he was being booked was just terrible. I think he needs to get more over with the fans and get comfortable in a main role and then later on let him have the title again. He needs to make a believer out of every one behind the scenes. He still looked good the way he lost it though. He wasn't beaten for it, he was attacked backstage but 4 guys. It still makes him looked strong. But yeah, personally I don't mind Jericho as champ. He deserves a good run. He's a great heel and is over enough to be a convincing champion.

I love Santino but I was really digging Kofi as IC champ. He really didn't have it that long. =(

It was only a matter of time before Mickie lost the title. She was champ like forever. I am seriously pissed off how Candice gets a free title shot after her first match back was beyond terrible. Her change in looks is terrible and so is her in ring ability. We need Melina back fron her injury and Gail Kim if she will be signing with WWE. Those two would definitely save the women's division.

I like how they are teasing a Randy Orton stable with Priceless. They could make an awesome group.

I don't care about smackdown or ECW. lol

So it would seem Shawn wants to end his career by going back to the very match that not only did he define(and lost) but the same match that defined him.

The way Punk lost his title is an insult to punk, especially when Jericho got the title. Let me recap the situation:

- Chris Jericho gets the living hell kicked out him by Shawn Michaels. Jericho was completely beaten, bruised and the marks were still there the following week. Jericho got the worst beating of his career and it was good.


- CM Punk gets kicked in the head and cannot compete.

Jericho, who know was a mere pile of human gets a chance in the Scramble match and WINS!?!?
How weak does Punk look? Jericho gets a severe beating, but still competes and Punk gets a kick to the head and is stripped from the title. What a bloody joke!


I am digging Orton's return, he is funny and I like him slating the champions, but I can already see a JBL/Batista/Cena thing coming. So far it is always JBL coming out ranting about him and his title shots, then Batista comes and blah blah blah.

Santino should get better matches though. I like Kofi, he is great, but so is Santino, but in a different way.

Candica has a horrible return. So many botched moves in 1 match, what a joke.

I wanna see more of Evan Bourne. His skills are amazing, espacially his Shooting Star, which is just pretty to watch.

I'm trying to figure out how can a kick to the head cause a concussion. The ##### seems a bit unrealistic to me.

Well Foley can go to TNA but what will he do? He can barely wrestle anymore.

Santino is the worst thing that ever happened to the IC title. I feel sorry for that belt.