Kinda random topic i noe but its kinda interesting to find out =) I'd wager around 10kg for the Buster Blade(look at the size of the thing) and probably 5kg for the Gunblade?

Well in Advent children, his sword looks like it's light as a feather. But I don't really know which logics to focus on. How heavy it looks, or how light it must be for someone like Cloud to be able to swing it around.

lmao the Buster Sword??? Probably about as heavy as a baseball bat I'd think, at least the way Cloud swings it. Same with the GunBlade, but hell, for all we knew the Buster Sword could be 100 pounds

Wouldn't they be made out of super magical light as a feather yet strong as hell metal?

How else would those pussies swing 'em?

Mythril. Strong as titanium. Weighs nothing.

Not heavy at all. Cloud swings it around like nobody's business and we all know he isn't the masculine bulky type of guy. Same story for Squall.

I say some magical metal is used, probably some legendary kind, such as orichalcum, or mythril.

hmm i tink your rite.. in advent children cloud can sort of "combine" his blades and each time he does it deres this kind of magical aura around it. So his blades are probably magically made.. i guess the lightness comes in the package too

Uhhh... Cloud has SOLDIER capabilities, that probably increases his strength way over that of normal humans. I bet he can lift his bike with his bare hands if he wants to. That and I don't really remember seeing the other characters swing the buster sword around like nobody's business, the only guys who did that were all SOLDIERs (Zack, Angeal). If I'm not wrong, in the anime Last Order, Zack stuck the buster sword into the ground for a certain reason, and the regular soldiers couldn't get it out.

What gives proof of that?

Hehe, I went searching and found the proof you want. Last Order, around the 5:00 mark (if you go by this version), Zack stuck his sword (sword being the Buster Sword) in front of Cloud and took out a bunch of regular soldiers, then ran somewhere. Around the 10:10 mark, two regular soldiers are shown trying to get the sword out together, but it won't budge. At around the 10:30 mark, Zack came and knocked the soldiers unconscious, plucked (uh, any better word) his sword out with one hand and even twirled it for a bit.

You can argue that he applied a lot of force and it's not the weight of the sword but it doesn't change the fact that Zack's strength is stronger than the regular human's.

Couldn't the sword just be made of a metal that can penetrate through earth? =o

I think she was more referring to the other regular soldiers inability to pull the sword out of the ground, even though they worked together. While Zack alone pulled it out easily with just one hand.

Nice find, Seluna. I forgot about that one.

On that note, Cloud is tossed in the air by his friends while he is holding his buster sword, that has other swords inside.
Thus, how powerful are they in Advent Children?

By the tossed in the air scene, it's an Advent Children one near the end? I can't remember clearly, it's been sometime since I last watched it. If it is, that sword is not the Buster Sword. It's First Tsurugi.

As seluna said, there's two swords, the Buster Blade is stuck in the ground outside midgar, the three brothers kick it before (or was it after) their first fight with Cloud!

I made some calculations with this page
with some reference to Clouds profile and comparing the sword to cloud I made some assumptions of it's size

I picked steel (until we know what it's made of)
thickness 2 cm (too thin?)
width 40 cm
length 150 cm

and got 94.2 kg or 207.7 pounds

Sounds resonable to me.
I compared by taking a skewer/spit (uncertain of the exact word) and tried to swing it (I have used one many time for some work, but never used as a sword) and i can say, it was darn heavy and went slow but it could work if I trained some months!

... my father wondered what I was doing swinging it over my head...

Clod's Blusterbad is made of styrofoam and cheap plastic. He's a wuss and couldn't even pick up Squall's gunblade on a good morning.

The one where he fights Bahamut. On that note, even if it were a different sword, I don't think it matters. The logic in swinging such a chunk of metal at that pace is simply ridiculous, whether or not he has mako energy.
As I said, his friends toss Cloud almost in outer space and they do not have mako energy, so how should the mako energy be the reason that Cloud is able to carry that chunk of metal without any problems, heck TWO even.

On the contrary I do think that the mako in his system is what makes the difference. That and probably Cloud's being a failed 'clone' of Sephiroth. Zack is shown as fast enough to avoid bullets (same, from Last Order), by real world logic, that's not possible either.


I really can't remember the details and probably will have to watch the movie again to know, but I think it's a case of acting as a jump board to boost Cloud's momentum (and motivation) instead of pure strength (well, they have to be strong to do so in the first place). But I cannot be sure, because like I said, I really have to re-watch the movie again.

I'm really surprised that this thread could even be having so much discussion. I always thought Squall's Lion's heart was made up of some form of blue Laser like in SW or made up of a rare blue crystal or rune(sapphire or Blurite)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lA0VTvpwpLk&feature=related

this is the scene, Sel. Now, tell me if you still believe this is the aerial momentum you were talking about.
Cloud is carrying a total of 3 sword, which he eventually forms into 1. Barret is the first one that throws him up, all the way to the height of Bahamut. Then he falls DOWN, to get launched up again by a metal spear (that does not work like a trampoline does) higher than before, then comes Sid and Red XIII that actually do use their momentum, as they come from below (how they got that high is still magical), then Yuffie who appears next to him and throws him higher by lifting one of his feet (which wouldn't work normally), then Vincent who floats above him, throwing him further, which again shouldn't work and then Tifa in the same sense. Now this exaggeration continues when he flies through Bahamut's Mega Flare, to get another nudge by spiritual Aerith to Climhazzard Bahamut to death.

Sure, this was all the mako energy =P. If it were, than this would mean that all his friends would have mako energy as well, as they made Cloud fly, while carrying three swords, through a Mega Flare on top of Bahamut who's almost in space.

So, my guess is no =P

Even without the sword it is quite amazing to throw someone that high!

I'd be more amazed at the passing through the mega flare part. That thingy was presumably large enough to wipe out the city, or a chunk of it, and Cloud just.....popped through the middle.

That scene is so funny

Don't forget they're all Level 99 after having played through the game

That just made me realize how stupid it is to apply real world logic into this because in the first place, in that particular Bahamut fight, how the hell were all of them able to jump so high?! Jump +99?

There are other examples, such as Rude getting bonked on the head by a street sign thing and he seemed fine. Reno got crashed into a building or two, I think (fuzzy memory). Tifa can execute killer slams by stepping on Loz and Loz was perfectly fine even after being hammered into a few pillars (well, he's some Sephi clone thing, of course he would be fine). END +9999? Yazoo flipped his motorbike a 360 degrees (shot Cloud in the process) and had it land on two wheels and it was still able to run. AGI +1337?

If they are all able to execute superhuman acts without mako, I do think that Cloud, who has mako in his system, can be much stronger and wave his freaking-elephant-weight-kind-of-heavy sword around like it's a spoon. I firmly believe that mako is able to increase a person's physical abilities, and if you don't, your business.

The point here is, Cloud doesn't come across as much stronger. Heck, he had to withdraw from fighting several times when facing Kadaj and his gang and even Tifa almost beated Loz (whatever his name is), thus indicating she is powerful enough to beat them. Rude and Reno also had the upperhand against Loz and thingy.

The mako idea would apply (and I would agree if Advent Children wasn't so ridiculous) if there was a clear difference in power between Cloud and his friends. Maybe it was Mako in the videogame, but in Advent Children it is pretty much impossible, as everyone can fly, float and whatnot.

And I agree with Loom, they're lvl 99. Maybe they used an Action Replay/Gameshark?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1M7xbCCIs

49 pounds.

##### a Red Rider, I want that for Christmas.

I always thought he came across as toying with her in that fight scene. But yeah I like Cloud but I've always wondered why they couldn't have at least put a decent set of arms on the guy(and Zack for that matter) lol! Visually from a physical perspective even Riku from Kingdom Hearts looked stronger. Cloud did look a little more muscular in Advent Children but he was still rather skinny.

I'm more in agreement with Seluna though, I've always seen him as more superhuman and after all Cloud was the only one strong enough to fight Sephiroth one on one but as ever I guess everyone has their own views on the FF7 universe

Not to forget Squall have to survive intense heat in Ifrit's Cavern in the start of the game. Or being stuck in a lamp Lol at the start of the game. Lol.

All that I know is that he got his arse handed over, untill he used his special super speed ability.

Hmmm, but he was still clearly stronger than her, swinging her one handed around by the ankle and whatnot, and when she thought finished him he just casually got up and answered his mobile as if nothing happened and then effortlessly finished her off with one move.

Aside from him getting him up, he got beaten up before that. Sure, he used his special ability, if not limit break and instantly won the fight, but there is no denying that, without that ability, the fight could have ended completely different.
Anyway, that is not what this topic is about.

As I said, I like to believe the point Sel mentioned, but with the above mentioned scene that point gets taken apart easily.
There is no materia in the game that lets people fly and so far we've seen in the video game, the gravity doesn't work different, yet in the movie they fly and launch Cloud at an crazy altitude in a somewhat ridiculous fashion.

The word that is bolded explains why realistic limits shouldn't be put on that scene, who knows, maybe it was their extreme bond of friendship and unity that gave them the power of lifting Cloud sky-high? I for one think that Cloud is stronger then all of them because for the second time... no third time (forgot to include the Nilbeheim reactor with Zack) he is shown being the only person to single-handedly defeat Sephiroth.

His sword could be the weight of a truck and I still think he'd wield it with ease

I don't agree that above scene takes apart any point Sel made what so ever. If anything it proves her point in the fact that he was strong enough to withstand the beating she gave him like nothing happened and was powerful enough to finish her in one move therefore such a person is obviously strong enough to do things the other characters weren't capable of doing like wielding a bloody huge sword like it's nothing.

So what if they could jump at great distances? It's just a fantasy cartoon/movie who said realistic physics have to apply? The jumping thing isn't so ridiculous when you've spent a long time watching Hong Kong fantasy sword play and martial arts movies that used wire works in a similar fashion and no one was ever meant to be superhuman in those. Anyway despite everything all the other characters did to hold Bahumut off, it was only Cloud that was strong enough to floor him after a landing in a few shots in the early part of the fight scene and it was only Cloud who was strong enough to kill Bahumut SIN. That alone proves damn site stronger than the other characters. My opinion the other characters are strong just not as strong as Cloud. Sorry but anyone who says that Mako has no affect in a persons physical attributes and strength in the Final Fantasy VII universe seriously don't understand it enough to offer an educated opinion of FFVII.
It's like saying the radioactive spider in Spiderman didn't give Peter Parker his powers lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQle346B9Ks
5.23 "He's way to strong. This the power of SOLDIER"

As Sel pointed out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iinG_4LoZIE...feature=related
1.35 Two men couldn't lift or pull the sword from the ground so the sword is obviously meant to be too heavy for the average person.

We're obviously not going to agree and I really don't understand why you have to keep on about Tifa's fightscene. It doesn't even have to do anything with the topic. I simply pointed out something earlier and that is all I cared for.
You obviously have your opinion and I have mine. We'll leave it at that.

Now, on with the actual topic:

Yes, it is a movie, a fantasy blah blah blah. Fine, I agree. However, where is the floating in Final Fantasy VII? Right, none of the characters do, unless controlled. Besides, Final Fantasy VII is a Japanese game and not a Chinese Fantasy movie, I fail to see the link in the two.

I also never said that Mako had no effect at all, don't put words in my mouth. I said that I'd like to believe Sel's point, but I simply cannot, especially after the Bahamut Sin fight. On the note that Cloud knocked him down, technically Bahamut had already gotten a few knocks before Cloud actually did anything, so why did Cloud knocked him down? Obviously Bahamut Sin was already damaged.

Second, he killed him with Climhazzard after being launched into the sky through a Mega Flare.

Hail the wonder of Mako Energy, makes you impervious to Mega Flares of gigantic dragons and lets you wield a chunk of metal that nobody else can. Sure mate.

And yeah, in Last Order it is plausible, but I am talking about Advent Children here. In AC the Mako point is taken apart by the floating...flying rather and the extreme over the top action from people, other than Cloud.

But yeah, if you're gonna have more cheap stabs at me, or put words in my mouth, then I won't bother anymore.

You obviously saw the relevance because you're the one who brought up the Tifa fight scene. If it's off topic then it's your fault for bringing it up in the first place not mine.



Stylistically it's used in a similar fashion in the movie, so it's pretty easy to see where the inspirations come from.



I didn't put words into your err mouth you said that there wasn't a clear power difference between Cloud and the other characters when there obviously is. Cloud was always meant to be the the most powerful of the main characters(heroes) for whatever reason. I thought you meant that Mako didn't make Cloud stronger so if anything I misinterpreted what you said nothing to cry about.

What the others did to Bahumut appeared to only phase it then Cloud come along and knocked him down after a few shots. As for the flying the through Mega Flares thing obviously Cloud was the only one capable of it otherwise one of the others would have had a go.



It's all part of the same story man, so if it's plausible in Last Order it's plausible in AC and the point's not taken apart because as I pointed out it's perfectly obvious that Cloud is still clearly far stronger and more capable than the other characters.



What hell are you are talking about? You've got no reason to get touchy and at what point did I take a cheap stab at you? If I wanted to insult you mate I would have but I've no reason to and as such you've totally baffled me with that remark man. Don't get me wrong I think you're a sound guy but what surprises me more about your sensitivity is you're probably the most argumentative member on here. I'm sorry you took something I said out context and vice versa but it's up to you what you want to do, just try and make sure you practice what you preach. Remember it was about a month ago you out of the blue, flat out insulted me in a separate thread just because I don't take wiki as gospel and I did nothing to incite that, no crossed wires, nothing. Anyway this is getting off topic now but if you make a public statement at me like that then you should expect a response, if there's anything else personal you need to write to me then PM me.

well lets see...cloud's buster sword is the same size he is and how tall is he? about...5' 8" ish? of pure metal. lol squall's gunblade is like a regular sword with a huge pistol attatched so i would say....yea coud's sword is heavier.

His legs are also skinny, but he still jumps a kilometer in the air.

lol well you're forgetting he's also ex-soldier. so maybe he is super strong without being huge and bulky? who knows. i still say cloud's buster sword is heavier

Cloud never made it as SOLDIER. He was just a Shinra yuppie. Hence why he never showed his face when he went to Nilbeheim with Zack, he was ashamed. He thought he was ex-SOLDIER when he got his memories mixed up with Zack's. That storyline confused me for ages

Well, the GunBlade looks reasonable enough, but the Buster Sword is so big and Cloud so anorexic that it can only be made of a ultra-light Shin-Ra copyrighted alloy!

but in the game didnt tifa or aeris or someone look at his eyes and see the traces of mako in them? the sign of SOLDIER? im just wondering. lol i dont want to get mixed up.

Lol, no offense, but you need to play the game again. Cloud was experimented on with Mako, but he never made into the elite ranks of Soldier, he was just a grunt.

That's right. After Sephiroth burned Nibelheim and stole Jenova's head, Hojo took both Zack and Cloud as guineapigs. They both were kept in a Mako tank at the basement of the mansion for an undetermined period of time, but must have been too much on Cloud, since aftewards he was like brain dead until reaching Midgar. Than again, could have been the trauma......

BTW, how did they escape, anyway!?

yeash im sorry that im not a geek and stay in all the time and memorize these things. i havent played that game in like 5 years. so why dont you get off my case. i even said to correct me if i was wrong.

Sorry!

I wasn't getting on your case or anything like that! Didn't mean't to offend or piss you at all!

And I haven't played in a long time either, but that part kinda marked me somehow and sticked in my brain!
I mean you play over 30, 40 hours and than discovers that it was ALL A LIE, that's enough to send anyone's head spinning! XD
I'm still trying to find mine, actually!! Where did it went?...

I'm not sure if that's aimed at me, STD or Marushio, but regardless, none of us 'got on your case'. Sorry for being a geek and discussing a certain point in FFVII.





If you go back to the Shinra mansion after Cloud regains his real memories You can read little snippets in the basement study (I think they look like books) that give you clues as to what happened. The jist - Zack regained his strength and broke out with Cloud during their 'feeding time'. Zack is so the man

Just be like me then, a geek who doesn't stay in all the time then. Besides I was just correcting you like you said, no need to get touchy.

@ Nocinderella
Yes Zack>Cloud, in fact reality since Cloud has Zack's memories Zack is really the main character through majority of the game.

In anycase. considering every character in the main FF franchise has an abnormal strength for humans, I don't think weight matters.

If you go back to the Shinra mansion after Cloud regains his real memories You can read little snippets in the basement study (I think they look like books) that give you clues as to what happened. The jist - Zack regained his strength and broke out with Cloud during their 'feeding time'. Zack is so the man

I was thinking that when playing through CC. Once Cloud gets to Midgar and stops being so brain dead, he takes on Zack's persona. He does the same poses, acts with the same confidence and determination, has Zack's SOLDIER memories and wields Zack's beloved sword. Meanwhile, most of Cloud's true self is locked away and forgotten until disc 3 Notice how Tifa knows that Cloud isn't really himself and how Aerith is reminded too much of Zack.

Anyway! I don't think I've mentioned Squall's gunblade at all, it just seems like any other weapon so I wouldn't think it's that immensely heavy. Heavy enough for a hero? Yes.

The Buster Blade is heavier then the Gunblade, if they are composed with the same materials.