Thought I'd just start a new topic, since this really doesn't have anything to do with The Dark Knight anymore. ...Hope that's fine...That and the bottom article is the main basis anyway.



Source: http://movies.ign.com/articles/895/895689p1.html


It's all rumor still, naturally (since I recall reading somewhere that Nolan didn't want to use Catwoman or the Penguin again anyway). Anyone have thoughts on who should play what? Do you think these two (or three, if you include Jolie with Catwoman) would be good for the roles?

Johnny Depp as the Riddler sucks but I like Hoffman as The Penguin.

I'd really like to see Clayface... But I doubt they're going to want to pile on the CG with such a character.

I think the next movie should have The Riddler, Two-Face, and Harley Quinn or Poison Ivy in it.

The fourth movie would then have Hush. If they were to keep Two-Face alive in the third movie, I think Hush would be a pretty obvious move for the fourth.

I'm just going to tell you that I still want Denny DeVito as The Penguin, and will not change my mind about anything. DeVito is gold in everything.

If they cast Jolie or Depp as Catwoman or The Riddler they will singlehandedly destroy the movie series. Jolis is horrible and Depp although he has decent roles such as Hunter S. Thompson would be so out of place in Batman it would be tragic.

I am pulling for The Riddler for the next villain as its the most down to earth known villain left. We could certainly have Hush, Deadshot or Black Mask but I dont think neither of them could carry the weight this conclusion is gonna have, maybe Black Mask.

I wouldnt like having the Penguin as the next villain but if Phillip Seymour Hoffman is playing him, then bring it. He is certainly one of the best actors out there and he could give us the gentleman of crime penguin we didnt have in the second Batman movie.

It could be said that Joker's shoes would be insanely hard to fill, but since Joker is Batman's biggest foe, anything other couldnt and shouldnt be as grandiose as him.

##### it, the next villain will be CALENDAR MAN.

As long as its not Manbat or Mr. Freeze. Or Catwoman. The first two because they would be ridiculous and Catwoman because I ##### hate Catwoman.

Vertigo maybe? [strike]Jolie[/strike] and Depp probably see themselves as too high profile for a Batman movie. The director could do a ton of borrowing from the animated series. Clayface can work if he's made to look more real than CG like the THING from Fantastic 4.

Ok I read the article. I think I wouldn't mind it if someone other woman actress was Catwoman. Too much Jolie these days .

They're not that high profile, but yeah, seriously, too much ##### Jolie. She's bothersome to see in every other movie.

I have to put two thumbs down to Depp playing as the Riddler! They should choose a different character for him to play if his role in these movies is so important. The Riddler is a hard act to follow after Carrey took the role in Batman & Robin.

Well now that The Joker's been used, and is still out there, we may as well bring in Quinn. (Though I don't remember her ever being much of a threat...)

Batman Forever, that is. Batman & Robin was Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Bane.

I'm not all that knowledgeable on the Batman subject as a whole, but I would have to say The Penguin and/or Riddler seem like the most likely, out of the few I'm familiar with, at the moment. (Besides The Joker/Two-Face coming back, of course.) I'm not really sure how well that could work out, though. I guess they could find a way to make it work.
I definitely wish we could see Bane again, though, as B&R made him pretty lame and insignificant. (Again, I'm not familiar with his role in the comics or anything, but I just think with a darker and more serious theme like these past two films have had, Bane could be pretty nice to see.)

Yeah, I agree on the Harley Quinn sentiment. I've always been a steadfast supporter of her inclusion in the movies, and I think it'd be a good fit with the way they're currently going.

But really, I think they need to stay away from the mainstream ones. They did Joker, the big one. It'd be more interesting if they concentrated on the lesser-known ones. Do something that hasn't been done too much.

Sweet. I thought I was the only one that loved his performance.

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but Apparently there was a point in the movie where the guy who was going to rat out Batman was referred to as Mister Reese which could be an indication that he goes on to become The Riddler. This might just be a reference, Nolan might have absolutely no intention of ever including The Riddler. I think the guy who played him was an unknown actor, I think it would be refreshing to see an unknown actor (as long as they are very very very good).

I don't know the batman universe very well though...

But leave Jolie and Depp FAR FAR out of it... and just in case anyone thinks it... leave Seth Rogan out of the film. I know no one has mentioned him but he seems to be finding his way into every film lately.

I'm not too keen on having someone redo The Riddler, either. I liked how Carrey handled it.

I wouldn't mind a Clayface, some Poison Ivy, or hell. The Croc. That would be cool.

i really like johnny depp but not as the riddler, that would be horrible. Seymour as the penguin i think could be done and would be cool.

I remember reading somewhere that they wanted to introduce new villains and keep away from ones that have already been used. I can't see who else would really be used thhough, all the good big ones are gone lol

lets just hope to god they don't introduce robin tho

Nolan has said that as long as he is involved, there will be no Robin. Also something like, this is about Batman's first years, Robin is in a crib somewhere.

Also, Bale explicitly stated he would quit if they even plan on having Robin.

I heard that they were not going to feature The Penguin and some other popular villains since they were too campy to adapt into being edgy and realistic, which is becoming a bit of a problem for the writers.

On the other hand, I can see Harley Quinn making the cut. Not only is she very popular, but her relationship with Joker can be made realistically, that is of coarse if they’re willing to have another actor play him. They can use her actual origin story from the animated series, or if they wanted something different, she could be kind of like an obsessive “fan” of the Joker while he is incarcerated. It’d be similar the countless women who sent Ted Bundy love letters when he was in prison and on death row.

Ya, I'm with you, execpt I didn't like EVERYTHING that DeVito did...

I think Depp would be great as the Riddler. I mean, look at what he did for Willy Wonka. That man is very VERSATILE at playing INSANE characters (noticed how carefully I placed those words?? )

I also think that the Hoffman guy playing the Penguin would be excellent because of his work in MI3 (the dude was EVIL).

Also, Harley Quinn was always more of an accessory than anything. Kinda like Harle from Chrono Cross was always a side-goonie rather than a main-goonie.

Johnny Depp should play the joker NOT the Riddler!

Sorry mods, but I guess this would be spam.

##### YOU!

Johnny Depp should stay the ##### out of Batman, and even more out of The Joker's character.

Johhny Depp would do a better job than Heath did! Heath destroyed what the Joker is all about!!!!

oh wow.. seriously huh? your joking right? I just dont even know what to say on this front..

Yeah. Heath nailed The Joker.

As I just said in the other Batman thread I'm kinda worried about the next villain. They've burned through two really solid ones in The Dark Knight and although there are good ones left, a particular one should have had his own movie.

No. Just no.

Heath actually was what the Joker was about. He wasn't some namby pamby waffle eating pussy with laughing gas and other weird things; the Joker was supposed to be a sociopathic homicidal genius with an even more bizarre wardrobe.

And he wasn't supposed to be some emo-goth heart throb like Depp would have made The Joker. "Oh poor terrible world, it made me this way" is probably what Depp's Joker would have been like. But no, Ledger's was straight up "I do what I want, when I want, how I want. No matter what."

That's a very bold statement right there, too bad you haven't backed it up with solid reasons.

I think Two-Face will come back... No, I need Two-Face to come back, please?

I believe in Harvey Dent.

Heath is dead.

Forget about how he portrayed the joker!

The joker is a character, and as long as there are actors available, the joker will continue on whether the actor plays the joker the same as heath or not!

who cares, quite about on heath played the joker... he's dead now.

So every deceased actor's performances should be ignored? Anyway, The jokers character has been established and so giving it to depp now (Who would inevitably try to make the role his own instead of imitating Heath, because thats the kind of person he is) wouldn't work. I doubt VERY much Depp would even take it.

but for the record Depp would have made the Joker much more cliché, the last thing we need is a gothic Joker <.< I have respect for Depp but he is typecast and let's face it, he hasn't shown a lot of variety of late.

Anyway the Joker needs to be left alone in my opinion. Even if Heath Ledger were still alive I think it would have been a good idea to leave the Joker out of the third film.

Oh ok, so since he's dead we can't express our opinions on his Joker performance. In fact you want us to forget it altogether?

Wtf?

An unbelievable number of people are rolling in their graves right now. >.o.

Anyway, Onyx, I'm not quite sure I follow your logic...You want Depp to play the Joker, but you haven't given a reason why. You've just brought up that you thought Ledger did a poor job. I can understand the opinion, but so far you haven't said anything that makes you think Depp would do a better job (especially since no one's seen him as the Joker, we can only guess). What does he have that you think would be good in the role? I have a lot of respect for Depp, he's one of my favorite actors, but I think Flame summed it up well enough...He hasn't given much variety as of late...


In all honesty, I agree with Flame that they just shouldn't include the Joker in the next one. *If* they get someone else for the role, it should be later on (no idea how long they'll take Batman in the first place, but I don't think the Joker should be brought back into the fray directly until later on, if at all.).

But yeah, I doubt we'll even see The Penguin, Riddler, or Catwoman. I'm not all that familiar with the villains in Batman (except for, *gasp*, the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, or Catwoman, and then Raz (spelling?) and Scarecrow solely from watching Batman Begins. Oh yeah, and then Two-Face.). So, I'm up for anybody, really. They do have a lot to choose from...

(Sorry for the double post)

For those interested, here's an article from IGN on the whole Two-Face speculation going on. Spoilers are present in this, so if you haven't seen The Dark Knight, don't read (unless you don't care about spoilers, in which case do whatever you want. =P.).

Two-Face.

Even though Two Face's screentime was pretty short in comparison to Harvey Dent, I thought they did a great job at making his character go full circle. I couldn't imagine what they would do with him if he were in any more movies.

I just hope they bring in another big name villain for the next one. After seeing the Joker, I don't really want to see some second grade guy no one has heard of. Bring in the Riddler or someone that everyone knows.