Suikoden Tierkreis?
Posted by John Layfield on Wednesday, 06 August 2008

Konami Corporation has trademarked the name "Suikoden Tierkreis" in North America for use with "video game software". Could these mean a new release in our favourite series? Perhaps, seeing as this is how news of Suikoden Tactics first reached our ears, through a similar trademark. However any Square-Enix fan who remembers Chrono Break knows to remain at least a little cautious.

For those of you pondering the meaning of the word "Tierkreis", it's German for "Zodiac"

Joystiq's PSP Fanboy had a little blurb (maybe two sentences) on a thought that this could have been that Suikoden game that was momentarily listed as a PSP game.

Anyone think this would be it?

Joystiq's PSP Fanboy had a little blurb (maybe two sentences) on a thought that this could have been that Suikoden game that was momentarily listed as a PSP game.

Anyone think this would be it?

In a recent search for news about a future Suikoden game, I was shocked to discover that Konami Digital Entertainment in the United States has trademarked a new Suikoden title, naming it Suikoden Tierkreis. According to the trademark information, Tierkreis is licensed under an online video-game. Could the next Suikoden game be an MMORPG?

curious info and i cant read the full story cause my work has the site blocked..



http://n4g.com/ps3/News-182958.aspx

Tierkreis Online is Unlikely
Posted by John Layfield on Saturday, 09 August 2008

Much has been made of Suikoden Tierkreis' trademark status. One of the most worrying/joyful for some people is the following status;

IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment services, namely providing on-line video games


This had led some people to go from point A to point Z, skipping the entire alphabet in the process. However, people would be wise not to assume that this means Suikoden Tierkreis, if anything ever comes of this, remember, will be an on-line game or an MMORPG.

Games that have a similar or identical trademark status are the World of Mana (the Mana series as a whole), Dragon Quest Swords, Castlevania Judgement and Castlevania Order of Ecclesia, each of which have only very small on-line elements planned if any at all whereas dedicated on-line games and MMORPG's such as World of Warcraft have an entirely different trademark status, that being;

IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment services in the nature of an on-line interactive game provided by means of a global computer network.


You can probably spot the difference and it's a big one. An MMORPG is usually interactive and it is also usually provided by, that's right, means of a global computer network. Without a global network to connect players in an interactive manner, it's not really an MMORPG. Which is exactly what Suikoden Tierkreis' trademark doesn't claim to be.

Really, the fact is that at the moment, we cannot use Tierkreis' trademark status to determine much more than some form of computer software has been trademarked with that name. However, given precedence in the usage of terms as mentioned above, it is hard to believe that Tierkreis will suddenly turn around and turn out to be an MMORPG if anything. In fact, usage of the original status posted above doesn't seem to be confirmation for the most tenuous on-line connection yet.

Another thing you might have noticed is that Castlevania Judgement and Castlevania Order of Ecclesia have exactly the same trademark status as Suikoden Tierkreis. So whatever "on-line" elements appear in those two Konami games (for the Wii and Nintendo DS respectively) is about what to expect if a game called Suikoden Tierkreis is ever released.

That's relieving to hear. I'm honestly not a fan of DLC (I'd have bought the game once, if they're going to release stuff for it afterwards, they may as well just make a new game in the series), so I'm hoping it's not something like that either, but that's just my personal opinion.

I guess we might find out soon enough what it'll entail...

And maybe it's a fighting game.

First information available:

- 50% complete
- Characters are 3d
- Backgrounds 2d
- Traditional rpg it looks like
- You tap the touch screen, making battles move at a fast pace
- The main headline of the article is "The Chosen 108 heroes have been destroyed?!" so maybe this game will be different from other Suikoden games in that regard?
- Only 4 party members in battle? Support characters return.
- New race. Looks to be a race of lizards.
- Apparently the game begins with the 108 heroes engaged in their final battle with the villain, and all the heroes being taken down except for four. This game's hero is not one of them, and his quest involves reassembling the 108, as opposed to discovering them.

Well that is great news. I'll be missing out on this game then. Thank you Konami for making this stupid decision.
Two years have past since the last Suikoden and the first thing you come up with is a spin off on the DS!? Gee, no wonder there is no Suikoden VI and with this... I really doubt there will be one.

You don't find it stupid that they have the fans wait for 2 years for a sequel to Suikoden and all they come up with is a DS title? If the reason for the DS title is what you said, they should've done this sooner.
Alas, for 2 years the fans have been kept in the dark and now when they finally shed info on a new game, it is a spin off.

Regarding the sales, fair point, but as I said, they should've done this sooner. There is no reason to have fans wait for 2 years without announcing anything and the first you come up with is a DS spin-off. Really, this is a good decision? They should've released this game last year maybe and announced Suikoden VI and be working on that instead.
What on earth have they been doing for those 2 years, considering the DS title is only 50% complete?

For you it is alright, as you have a DS, or your wife. To me, this is useless, as I do not have a DS and I'm not planning on getting one, so the words in my previous post come to mind. Yes, I find this stupid. They could've at least announced something about a sequel to Suikoden V, but they haven't. In 2 years no word at all. Normally, we would've been given some information already, not nada.

You seem to misunderstand me. What I was saying was that it a stupid decision to have fans wait for 2 years, only to release a spin-off on the DS.
Fans have been wanting a sequel to Suikoden V ever since its release and the only thing they managed to come up with in 2 years time is a spin-off on the DS.
Sure, it is nice to see some life in the franchise, but to me this just seems like one last heartbeat on a flatline.

Are you telling me that you find this a good decision? To have the fans wait for 2 years, just to release a spin-off. We never were told about anything, until the post of Chalryn and the Tierkreis thing. We've been let in the dark for 2 whole years and nothing was announced.

As a fan I am glad to see that Konami hasn't lost interest in Suikoden, but I am upset that they let us wait for 2 whole years, to announce a spin-off. I had rather see them announce this title last year and even release it last year and in the meantime work on Suikoden VI.
They haven't told the fans anything, so the decision to suddenly release a DS title baffles me and I find this to be a poor decision.

if suiko VI gets a DS release and we dont see it on the PS3, the world will end and I will no longer look at Suikoden the same way..

I understand the DS sells a lot but a DS release only of Suikoden VI would hurt, but i guess i should just get used to companies shoving a stick up the ass of the fans, the fans who have purchased every game, every strat. guide and anything suikoden related ... bah

honestly I am a huge fan of the series, but what good is the series to me if it never releases again on a console i own? If it came down to the series continuing only on DS and mabye 360, but no PS3 , then yes I would not care if the series ended. Its no good to me on a console i don't have and don't plan to own.

not trying to be over dramatic, i know this is just a spin-off on the DS, there is still a good bet that Konami is working on Suikoden VI for the PS3, I am just saying if this came to be, thats what i would think.

Yeah? You and what army?
Anyway, I was just saying that Tactics seems like the most ignored part of the series. But I could be wrong.
PSP is selling well, but DS is selling better. So it would be a smarter move on DS, ne?

DS is selling better overall but for the past like 3 or so months the PSP has been the top seller.

This month, not counting Japan (there was no info on Japan), DS sold 400k and PSP sold 150k.
On an unrelated note, PS3 outsold Xbox, without Japans help. lol

Funnily enough the 360 outsold the PS3 almost 3:1 last week in Japan due to Tales Of Vesperia

DSL 88000
PSP 71000
Wii 50000
PS3 13000
PS2 12000
360 7200

1. Rhythm Tengoku Gold 134000 502000
2.Phantasy Star Portable 68000 510000
3.DQ5 53000 1077000
4.WiiFit 47000 2464000
5.Fire Emblem DS 33000 181000
6.Mario Kart Wii 27000 1663000
7.Band Brothers DX 23000 269000
8.Power Pros 15 PS2 21000 170000
9.Summon Night 2 20000 294000
10.Tales of Vesperia 19000 120000