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Christmas day which entails a visit to the Aunts to exchange gifts, have dinner and the like. Well I get there and my younger cousin comes up he’s like, “Danny, I got Xbox come see it.” I’m thinking why would you get Xbox? Regardless I pay a trip to the den, see an Xbox nothing big. After opening present my cousin my age asks if I want to play Halo. Hey why not. I did not expect much from the game. Hell, its Xbox, what’s there to expect except a crappy game? I do not think I could have been more wrong. Halo is a real good game. I am not one for First Person Shooters but I really liked this game. Something about it. Whether I wasn’t too good at it and it was a challenge or the fact that it was fun to play and I did not expect it from Xbox. So I thought, why does everyone look down on Xbox?

I thought as to the reasons I automatically did not like Xbox. I figured it was the fact that Bill Gates just wanted more money and wanted to make it in the video game industry. But I thought further and realized that it was not that Bill Gates wanted to make Microsoft more money that was keeping me from liking Xbox but the fact that Xbox did not have any good games or a variety of games for the matter. Also the controller is a little complicated and bulky. But that too is not a big flaw. But if Halo is this good why did I ever look down on it? I don’t know. The only reason I can think that someone would look down on Xbox would be that it is simply put a third rate system, clearly behind Playstation2 and Gamecube in the console battle and because of that Xbox may be short lived therefore not worth the money. I mean if Xbox is going to go under in a short while why waste the money on something that will not earn you back your money. One thing that Xbox does lack though is a company game. Like Gamecube has Mario and Playstation2 has the Final Fantasy series, Tomb Raider, and all types of games that are associated with the title. Xbox doesn’t have a game like that. Will a game like that help Xbox, I don’t know. It wouldn’t hurt to get one though.

But let’s focus more on the more positive aspects of the Xbox. The whole minicomputer aspect of it is interesting. The fact that it is itself somewhat a PC could be good or bad. If you already own a computer the Xbox computer capabilities are kind of cool and fun, but if you are looking for it to be your computer I don’t think it fits the bill.

As for Xbox having a lack of titles, there are a handful that spring to my mind of upcoming games or games that are already out. Halo is a great First Person Shooter, the best I have played I think. Crimson Sea is also worth a look. Upcoming games that look to be a success and a buy are Shenmue II, while the first one was questionable, but the sequel focuses more around RPG style aspects and even includes a full length movie feature type thing that helps with story. Panzer Dragoon ORTA also has a lot of good screenshots and talk about it. Added to the fact that it got a good showing at the E3s. Splinter Cell is also worth a mention, it pretty much redefines stealth gameplay and I think puts Metal Gear Solid to shame.

Anyway, bottom line being that Xbox should not be considered a third rate system as it sometimes is classified. It only lacks in certain areas which if improved upon I think will put Xbox above Gamecube in the console wars. Maybe not up there with Playstation2 but it would no longer be considered a third rate system.

Yeah i know it should be rated first in the three new game systems.

The X-Box is a very superior console spec-wise. But what defines a good console is not the specs but, rather, the quality of the games that the console has to offer. Playstation has FInal Fantasy as well as a lot of other good RPG which makes RPG lovers choice pick for console. Gamecube has classic titles like Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc. So far X-Box doesn't have that one game or games that will help make the X-Box look unique. Nintendo has been in the business for awhile and fans recognize those classics while Playstation has the biggest variety of games in its library. X-Box is the "new kid" in the console war and there really isn't any recognizable game when the console first came out. But as time passes, the X-Box is gradually getting more better games. Novaz mentioned some of the stand out titles for the X-Box like Shenue II (a game that all gamer who values a good storyline should play), Halo, Panzer Dragoon ORTA, Splinter Cell (can't wait for this game to come out for the PS2), etc. So far, things are starting to look up for the X-Box but whether it will dominate over the two console giants (Sony and Nintend0) only time will tell.

i never regarded XBOX as a third rate system...
i haven't even played it so what's the point for me of saying negative things about XBOX???
anyway i really don't know.... but i think it's good now that you said it....

Xbox is, technically, an amazing system. Thats why its sad to see it fail where it should succeed. I always worry about new systems because they will ( for the forseeable future anyway ) have to compete with sonys consoles. This is bad because the Playstation is such a well established system, that getting to the point where a competing system can actually stand on its own to feet is a real battle ( something the Gamecube has only begun to do ). In a world without a PS, the XBox could so some serious damage. But, as it stands now, ( with its current lack of Quality games...at least until halo2 ) its simply third best.

Halo2 will not give the Xbox quality games. Its needs more variety. Right now it really only has a variety of First Person Shooters. Its needs some RPGs, Fighting games, and just more choices...

Xbox has the potential to do something great with its hardware, as it's already done with Halo and Splinter Cell. But, if it wants to become something more than a fancy alternative, it needs an edge, and it needs one right quick.

the X-box was never rated just a thirtd rate console it has to be up with ps2 those two are the most poular consoles of today and are making all the sales while gamecube eats their dust....like one friend will like xbox and the other ps2 and will defend their console to the best of their capabilities to prove one another that their console is better.

You know as they say, some people are warry of differentation and New. XBox doesn't have "Big Names" like PS and NES does. I too looked down on the XBox once. My bf wanted one so bad, that I decided to get an XBox for him. It's actually really cool. Lately, we have the XBox connected for games and the PS2 connected for watching DVDs...hehe. Infact, I too am hooked to one of the games. I like playing Jet Set Radio Future, while my bf likes playing Splinter Cell. Both really good game play, and awesome graphics system. I'm really happy we have the XBox. The only thing that disappoints me is that there isn't much games to choose from at the moment. I've heard that Morrowind is good. I think I'll check it out as soon as I can get one....

Xbox does have an rpg in Morrowind, but it could use an rpg FF style. Xbox has a great fighting game in Dead or Alive 3. But that still isn't enough to get the Xbox out of the gutter.

In my own personal opinion, XBox sucks. It's lame, and will be for quite a while. Microsoft seems the think that computer components can sell whatever they want to get rid of. Well, they are wrong. Sure, the companies enthusiasts buy the console, but only because they have no mind of their own...and most of them aren't even gamers! The fact is, without good games, you won't have a good console, despite the fact that you've crammed ten computers into a box with a controller. Ugn..and don't get me started on the controller. I think the only reason I'd buy an Xbox would be to protect my mother, seriously. I'd just tell her to carry the controller in her purse, and when she's being mugged, whip the ten pound baby out and hit the freak with it. I swear, it'd kill him instantly. Not to mention, there's nothing too most of it other than heavy advertising. They remind you quite often of what system you wasted your money on. No games = No console. Sorry Microsoft.

I dont see Xbox as being a bad system i just think that by me getting it, it will be a waste cosidering that games they have out right now. All the games i want for it i can get for PS2. I also dont want another system, i still play my PSO and Crazy Taxi for Dreancast, SuperSmash Bro on my N64 and all my Rpgs and stuff on PS2.

You honestly think that XBox even compares to PS2? Or that XBox sales exceed Gamecube? Both of those are wrong. If you look at statistics as of now PS2 is winning rather easily and Gamecube is over XBox. XBox does not sell to well mainly due to the lack of games as stated in previous posts. And it is rated a third rate console one because its the new "kid" in the industry and all the problems people see with it (Microsoft).

I look at it this way, if you don't have a system of course you gonna say it sux, especially if you've never played it, and answer this one, for all the people that dont like X-Box, on Christmas day, if your parents got you an X-box, would you even play it?, because the fact that you think it sux doesn't mean you won't play it if someone were to give it to you, besides you cant really rate something you never tried, thas like me saying i don't like pizza its nasty, despite the fact i might have never tasted pizza, get me?

I see it this way.

Halo - was originally - along with Munches Oddysee - coming for PS2.

The hype was already building when the titles were told of and previewed.
BUT. Then those titles were bought up by Microsoft. Since they were already very eagerly awaited games, Microsoft thought they could win a good start by buying two (or more, dun remember) titles that they knew would sell well. And since the change of console, people would also have to start buying the Xbox.

Just think.

for example Dead Or Alive 3.
the 2 ones before were made for teh PS-PS2.

I dont like Xbox because they bought all the good executive rights and made them exclusive.

Understand?

I always thought that X-box was the second best of the three because of its built in memory ram and considering that it is made by Microsoft this machine has hope I wish to see more RPG's though that would be pretty cool!

good graphics bad games that about wraps it up

Many months have gone by. New games, new opinions. I think we should start this up again. I have some opinions I want to say myself, but I want to see if any of you have anything more to say before I post

Personally I dont like XBox that much, i think that Bill Gates is trying to take over yet another part of the economy, and its not working thank god. He is trying to make money just by flaunting a system that has good technology. But the gmae companies are not being swayed, and neithier are gamers, they dont care everything about technology they care about game selection. Which PS2 and Gamecube have so much better than XBox. Yes some XBox games are good, such as Halo, and DOA 3. But basicly thats it.
And as for the technology inside of it, its only a PC on the TV!! For god sake it has a Pentum processor as its core processor, and it also has a hard drive!! Its not a console, its a PC that will only use a controller, and be seen on the TV.

the worst decison games developers made was making games for it

Care to explain why? You guys said that it needs more/better games, so I don't see why you're against that now.

XBox is an ok system, but it's obviously extremely weak in RPGs. Then again, so is Gamecube.

XBox is going to be picking up majorly though, with Knights of the Old Republic, Sudeki, Fable, and more! I can't wait. I decided to go out an buy one about a month ago...

[quote=NovaZ,Dec 30 2002, 07:48 PM] [QUOTE=Enishi,Dec 30 2002, 06:57 AM]
Halo2 will not give the Xbox quality games. Its needs more variety. Right now it really only has a variety of First Person Shooters. Its needs some RPGs, Fighting games, and just more choices... [/quote]
You know I can't believe I'm saying this but... well first the XboX does have lots of fighting games. DOA3, Capcom Vs SNK 2 EO and Soul Calibur imediately spring to mind. But anyway... why should a console HAVE to have RPGs to be good? Just because you, or we play RPGs doesn't mean everyone does. It's a perfectly good system for gamers that don't play them. And there are quite a few of them. Just remember just because a console isn't right for you, dosent mean mean it isn't right for someone else.

This is quite true. I myself just got an xbox, and I have liked it just this summer! I just had a bad oppinion because of the controller! hehe ^^;; too bulky, but when the s controller came I immediately liked it. Halo is one of the games that keeps the x-box on par to ps2, I plain hate game cube (sorry!) Madden 2004 is also one of the great games, Hopefully halo2 will be out by my birthday so i can get it.

xbox BAHHHHHHH the olny good game for it is Star Wars KOTOR.
Halo HAHAHAHAHAHA what an overrated game there are so many better FPS like unreal and battlefield. Its too big so it is like a computer. I don't know how it is still alive and kicking. SuperNintendo has better games than the X-Box. I think Bill Gates dislikes Mario, maybe its a childhood issue XD.

final statement- X-box is good but the games are crap and not wroth the 200 something dollars spent on it. Get real and get a Gamecube (note: it has good games).

Other than total number of games, I think the Xbox is still a great system. Overall, it probably doesn't have the international fame that the PS2 or Gamecube.

>.< well...ive never been too fond of Xbox....
ive never really heard of anything postive about the Xbox until now....
just negative.
but...oh fine! ill give it a chance....

I to use to think the X-Box "sucked" but then I realized that it was ignorant of me to say that because I have never played the system before and when I played it a few times at my friends house, I loved it.

xbox + me = roxor! love!

I love the x-box mainly because of the games i bought and the game i wll buy! I have Halo and DOA3 i did not pay $200 on it, just 179.99 it was a fair price i my oppinion.

I thinks its worth the money because i use it as a party machine when i bring it to friends! i'm happy with that.

I dont see how its advanced tech is supposed to be a bad thing...Also dont judge games on a system that you've never played before. Play before you rate.

I HAVE played the x-box so please dont flame my post using that excuse, now on to the post....

2 Reasons why i belive X-box is bad

1.Games: I think many other posts have allready explained this but just to be more specicfic. I KNOW x-box has its million copy selling games like Halo but im not refering to the quality of Xbox games but to the VARITY of xbox games.

2. They jack ps2!!!!: XBOX IS TRYING TO JACK PS2!!! heheeh..i am refring to all the company linceses that x-box is trying to snag up that ps2 has allready used to get there fame with( Grand theft auto comes to mind)

By the way i think that Microsoft allready has enough money and shoudn't have even got into the gaming industry.

All these things are just my OPINION! So please dont flame me

-Noy

Xbox is an excellent gaming system. There are more than enough titles out there like Crimson Sea, Star Wars kotor, Halo and many more to satisfy the needs of any gamer. What the deal is, is that people are too busy wasting time being fanboys to their PS2 and badmouthing other systems to truely realize that " Hey, this is a pretty fun system "

Xbox shall be around for awhile... And I've no doubt that when their next console comes out, Microsoft will be near top dog.

You mean the KOTR and Halo that are being released for the PC?

That crimson sea game, is that the one where you drive around in boats and shoot each other? I liked it better when it was with cars and called Twisted Metal. Unoriginal, Uninspired.

And, yes, PS2 fanboys make me sick as well.

Yes... The very same. So what if they're being released on PC? Not everyone has the requirements to play those. Is the Box supposed to have the most badass exclusive games or something? Who cares so long as they have good titles.

You should know what you're talking about before you say something in attempt to dispute my comment.

Crimson Sea is a third person fast paced action shooter, and is a totally excellent game.

http://www.gamers.com/game/1296092 There you go, buddy.

X-Box just reminds me of that sad excuse of a system- Dream cast. X-Box is just not worth buying. It really doesn't have many titles that are ONLY X-BOX titles. Most of them are available on PS2 or Game Cube. Any left over decent games not on those two are most likely on PC. Many people try to back the X-Box up buy saying " X-Box doesn't suck!! Halo ####### rocks!!! ". Sorry, but one game doesn't define a system. The system is just wasted power. It has the potential to make PS2 games look like crap, but that's definitly not the case. It really is pathetic. I blame the people running the company. One thing I don't understand, is the fact that they only advertise the games that suck and if a game comes out that might actually catch people's intrest, no one has any idea that it exists. The whole idea of a new game system is to be different from the others and make some signature games that rock like nothing you have played before. If X-Box wanted to just release more advanced versions of games that are already on other systems, they should have just made themselves a PC game company or something. But since they want to play in the big leagues, I guess PS2 and Game Cube will just keep beating them down. If they keep going down the road that they are on, they will stop making games and by next year you will be able to buy an X-Box for 40 bucks or so. (If you even want to spend that much )

Hmm to say any of the systems suck is pretty unfair, unless of course you have played every single game ever made for that system, to be completely unbiased. Also i noticed that people mentioned the dreamcast being a failure. Even though it might have failed in the market does not mean it wasnt a good system. Dreamcast has some loyal fans who found games which were very good even though they werent necessarily mainstream. I mean saying the dreamcast was a failure because its production was abandoned is the same thing as saying the nintendo was a failure because they stopped making the origional NES. Now you might say tha nintendo hasnt failed because they still make systems. Sega hasnt necessarily failed either they just now concentrate on production instead of consoles, which has been better for the company overall I think. Now not meaning to go off topic. Now granted the xbox is pretty new to the console biz, to just go out and say the xbox outwright sucks isnt a fair statement. To be fair good systems require time. Time to sign with some good companies. Playstation and Nintendo have been in the console business for a few years longer than xbox, they have relations with other game making companies in the past. Nintendo worked with square for quite a while with NES and SNES. Then squaresoft moved to making games for the PS1. I mean if you were a game maker wouldnt you be reluctant to sign a deal with a new console company, if your not sure of the sucess of the system. I mean heck people say the xbox suck now, one day you could be playing Final Fantasy whatever on the xbox, if square-enix thinks a FF title would be sucessful enough on xbox.

X box doesn't suck, what the hell? Its got great shooter titles and fighter titles that can kick the @#$% out of ps2's, i have both systems and am a hardcore gamer and played most games for both systems. I like RPG's allot and all but just cuz xbox doesnt have much good ones doesnt mean i sucks. If i think about it i would rather play xbox over ps2 if i am playing muliplayer games with my friends, Its a blast playing titles like halo, dead or alive 3, Soul calibur 2, ghost recon, dongeons and dragons: heroes, i can go on and on but i wont...4 controler ports, Built in momory, great smoth graphics, live enabled (far better than ps2's live, and has better live games to like rainbow six 3) but my point that im trying to get across is when it comes to muliplayer fun, i think ps2 sucks, but that doesnt mean xbox is better so dont freak when u read this, THEY ARE BOTH GREAT SYSTEMS WITH THEIR UP'S AND DOWN'S!!!

pardon my spelling ^ lol

Xbox is great, it has some of the best RPG's like Morrowind, and a new MMORPG called "True Fantasy Live Online" will be out soon, where you can fly on broomsticks and cook up all kinds of things, graphics are great too!
It will be a great MMORPG on Xbox live, Xbox live has it where you communicate through the headset, you can mute people, have voice masks (and RP with different voices =p) and a global friends list, and it's trying and trying to get more companies to get games on the xbox, it's working out pretty good and has lots of players, and it's online service is the best.
So it's defintly getting good RPG's, True Fantasy Live will be like the best fantasy MMORPG ever, no lag since all xbox live users need broadband.
And morrowind, and morrowind GOTY.
Great.
Xbox is defintly going far.
If they make there PC MMORPG Asherons Call a xbox MMORPG, that would help alot.

The simple truth in this matter is, the Xbox is quite easily the most powerful system, and, IMO, has several of the best games that are out now. Who cares if Halo finally got to the PC? Only took them 2 years or so. The Xbox also has Steel Battalion. Do not bash this game because it costs 200$, go get a job. Play the game, and see how excellent it is. Nothing is quite more fun than tromping around in a gigantic mech, first person view, with literally a button for every function. *ahem* Getting to my point...

The only arguments people come up with against the Xbox is that
"the games are on the pc, or other consoles"
or
"the controller is too big"

Are you forgetting the fact that the controller is no bigger than the Dreamcast controller, which no one complained about? Or are you just too used to Nintendo's child-sized controller? I've gotten used to the Xbox controller, and now all the other controllers seem horribly small to me. True, the Xbox's games may be released on the PC, or on other systems, but the point is, they are still on the Xbox, and that makes it worth buying. A system that includes:
GTA3, GTAVC, Halo, DOA3, Soul Calibur 2, MGS2 Substance, Splinter Cell, Steel Battalion, Morrowind, and soon to include Fable, Halo 2, and a sequel to Steel Batallion... Just to name some of it's better games, that is, must be worth buying. I don't care if some of those are on other platforms, because they look and play better on the Xbox. Besides, I personally have all 3 consoles, and from my firsthand experience, I've gathered that the Xbox actually is in no way #3 in the console war. The Gamecubes are selling purely because of the name behind them, and the fact they have a handful of decent games. The PS2 is selling because, as usual, it has an excellent selection of RPGs.

I believe eventually each system will find it's niche. The PS2 will deal with RPGs and racing games, as always (GT3, FF). The Gamecube will still deal with it's little adventure games, (mario, zelda) and the Xbox appears to, with Halo, have taken over the console spot for first person shooters, and probably sports games as well. (Halo, Numerous sports games) Although the PS2 does still have quite a few good sports games...



Just, please, everyone, stop bashing the Xbox because your hands are too small to fit around the controller, (honestly, you have a genetic defect if you can't reach all the buttons) and stop whining about the games being on other platforms. The point of the matter is, the Xbox is a good system, and it will only get better.

Nayako, you named 2 RPGs, and that's alot or something?



The not as simple truth is, having more power doesn't make it better. Whenever anyone talks about the "Great" X-Box games, I always hear the same group of names, over and over. And most of those games I hear, I can get somewhere else. I don't have anything against Microsoft making consoles, I feel it's a big waste of money to buy something that'll play games I can already play. Never heard of Steel Battalion, might look it up and play it on a friends box. This part is all opinion.



This part is where your a hypocrite. I've never complained about the X-Box controller, but I will admit it did feel awkward to use at first because it didn't fit the shape of my hands just right (And believe me, I have big hands, and I can get a few people to vouch for that. And I've never touched a DreamCast controller, but it doesn't matter how big it is, as long as it's the right shape), but I got used to it. But then you go and call the GC controller inferior because it's "child size". It's no smaller then the Playstation controllers, and you're not complaining about them. The GC controller didn't take any "Getting used to", unlike the X-Box. But, like I said, I've never used that as an excuse, just decided I'd debate what I see as a biased remark.



But it isn't worth buying, if you already have the other stuff that plays the game. Maybe if I didn't have any other Next Gen consoles I might consider getting an X-Box, but no, now it's a waste of money. 7 of those 9 games you mentioned I can play somewhere else. One of them I haven't heard of until now, the other I think sucks, and the PS2 has tons of better games in that genre. The others, I won't comment on, nor should you, because they are not out. I could name a big list of PS2, GC, and PC games that aren't out and it wouldn't make a difference because guess what, they aren't out. The reason the GC sells, is because it has alot of fun games, single or multiplayer, that are exclusive to it, not because of your unsupported comment. And the PS2, has an excellent selection of everything, if you didn't notice.

Tip, play PC FPS's, and compare them to console. Not saying I dislike console FPS, but I can easily see what blows what out of the water.



What games a console has makes it what it is. If it has nothing I like or can't find elsewhere, I'll bash it all I want. If you can't take people disliking what you like, then ignore it or something.

[quote]The not as simple truth is, having more power doesn't make it better. Whenever anyone talks about the "Great" X-Box games, I always hear the same group of names, over and over. And most of those games I hear, I can get somewhere else. [/quote]

Yes, you usually do hear about the same group of great games for the xbox over and over again, just like you hear about the same group of great games for all of the systems. Every console has a group of games that stand out above the rest, which people refer to in debates, because they happen to be the best thing to refer to to make whatever system they are arguing for look better.

As for getting the games somewhere else, that is true, but isn't it great to be able to play all of those games on the xbox, instead of having to buy a computer for Halo, then a PS2 for GTA? Buying the xbox would seem the logical choice if you look at it that way.

[quote]This part is where your a hypocrite. I've never complained about the X-Box controller, but I will admit it did feel awkward to use at first because it didn't fit the shape of my hands just right [/quote]

How exactly am I being a hypocrite? And yes, I must admit the controller did feel slightly awkward at first, but after using it for awhile you have to agree that it is a very nice controller, and a sturdy, hard to break one as well.

[quote]But then you go and call the GC controller inferior because it's "child size". [/quote]

I never called it inferior, I merely stated that it was sized for younger people, which, looking at the target audience for most of the Gamecube titles, seems appropriate.

[quote]The GC controller didn't take any "Getting used to", unlike the X-Box. [/quote]

Yes, it most definately did. It has the most god-awful button layout I have every encountered. The A and B buttons should be side-by-side, and at least relatively close to the same size, and every controller needs trigger buttons. That, and 3 shoulder buttons is just odd... It's a fine controller, it just could have a better button layout.

[quote]But, like I said, I've never used that as an excuse, just decided I'd debate what I see as a biased remark.[/quote]

I'm not biased, (I own all three consoles) I like all three controllers. I just like the xbox controller a bit more.

[quote]but no, now it's a waste of money. 7 of those 9 games you mentioned I can play somewhere else. [/quote]

How is it a waste of money to buy the xbox, and have all of those games on one system, when you would have to spend much more to buy a computer and PS2 to play that same selection of games?

[quote]The others, I won't comment on, nor should you, because they are not out. I could name a big list of PS2, GC, and PC games that aren't out and it wouldn't make a difference because guess what, they aren't out. [/quote]

Actually, it would make a difference. I don't see the Gamecube or PS2 getting any Fable-quality games anytime soon. I think it's perfectly reasonable to use games that aren't out yet in debates, as long as you know most of the information about the game, and can make valid, well-informed comments on it.

[quote]The reason the GC sells, is because it has alot of fun games, single or multiplayer, that are exclusive to it, not because of your unsupported comment.  [/quote]

I guess that means I have to support my comment....
The Xbox has a built-in broadband modem, so you don't need to buy a network adapter for it. The online service is cheap and easy to set up, and the Xbox already has some fun games for Xbox live. (you can't play ghost recon and not love it) It also features downloadable content, something the PS2 is craftily trying to copy by use of the external drive that comes with FFXI... A good move on Sony's part. That's why the box will always win in the online department.

My comment was unsupported partially because you can't use personal preference as a support for an argument. I've played all three systems quite a bit, and I just think the xbox is the best. Simple as that.

[quote]And the PS2, has an excellent selection of everything, if you didn't notice.[/quote]

I love my PS2!!! I just love my xbox more. I know the PS2 has excellent games, you don't need to remind me.

[quote]Tip, play PC FPS's, and compare them to console. Not saying I dislike console FPS, but I can easily see what blows what out of the water.[/quote]

I do play PC FPS's. Lots of them. And I've found that console FPS's are better by far. Once I play Halo on the PC, though, my opinion may change.

[quote]What games a console has makes it what it is. If it has nothing I like or can't find elsewhere, I'll bash it all I want. [/quote]

Precisely. Halo is an amazing game, therefore the xbox is an amazing console. Thank you for complimenting my xbox. Personally, I've never been a fan of the Zelda series, (excluding Ocarina and Link to the Past, the others all sucked) and the only other thing the Gamecube has going for it is Smash Bros., which I must say is incredibly addictive.

[quote]If you can't take people disliking what you like, then ignore it or something. [/quote]

Can't take it?! I love it! Please sir, give me more ammunition to fling back at you!

Haven't we already had this debate in the consoles forum? :whoa:

Yeah, but less flaming here (and I'd like to keep it that way), so why not?



True, I suppose. But if you have the other stuff, you can play the X-Box games, and more.



But the other consoles list has a lager variety, and most of the stuff that is in that list for XB isn't exclusive. And 70% of the time, it's always Halo and Morrowind.



Okay, so it "sounded" like you called it inferior because of it's size. And, I think we can agree to drop the whole controller thing here, because neither of us use it as en excuse anyway, right?

Suuure, GC one might be more fragile, but it won't break a cats spine if you drop it on it from 5 feet in the air And the weight of the thing can work both ways, some people might like something that's light and you don't notice very much... Wait, I said I'd stop



Yeah, I thought it was fine. Many people complain about the X-Box layout as well, I'll leave it at that.



Not same collection. It's what the X-Box has, and much, much more. And that's a fact.



Blah blah blah, what does that have to do with how Nintendo sells? As for what you said, The PS2 has been planning it's HD and Modem since before it was released, and it was released a year before the XB. You see, it's because sony is full of a bunch of people who rush stuff and procrastinate the same time. And these people lead the war XD And, consoles going online, I think in the long run is doomed to fail. All the online stuff I've seen sucks, or is done better on the PC. Look at FFIX, got to be the worst MMORPG ever, I'll make thread on that and elaborate later. Just have to wait and see in the long run.

Excellent plan, old chap!



I just had a brilliant realization. The fact that some xbox games are on other systems isn't a bad thing at all! Now I can say, "why buy a PS2 when you can just play half of their good games on the xbox anyway?" (MGS 2, GTA, GTAVC, Soul Calibur, etc...)



This may be true, but Halo and Morrowind are both excellent games worthy of the praise. Besides, FPS's and RPG's are easily enough of a variety to attract any type of gamer. That's not counting the box's numerous quality sports games.



Right.



You make a point. To each his own, I suppose.



The only downside I've found with it is that the buttons make your fingers ache if you keep pressing them over a very long period of time. (amped) The S fixed that problem by making the buttons flat, instead of sticking up a bit.



I won't even bother trying to argue this point. The PS2 has access to, not only all of the quality PS2 games, but all of the original PS games as well. It definately wins in the game department.



If they (the gaming companies) go about it the right way, I think online gaming with consoles could be very successful... Could be. Xbox live does seem to be working out fine, though. They just need to add some more features and get some better games for it.

i believe people are entitled to their own opinions but not when it comes to the xbox which is the ultimate console. all we need is squenix and we will own. i alos own a ps2 and a gamecube for my rpg lacking xbox

Xbox is surely name top three systems to be play .Its games is petty interesting too lol.thinking as a three rate , I am unsure about it